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20:00
@copy That happens in some languages (archaic now) where the tens and digits are added (e.g. twenty six is 20 + 6 as "6 and twenty")
Which brings me to an great idea! My programming language should ONLY support number literals in roman numerals! int ten = X; int four = VI;
@FlorianMargaine So I can write meaningful code comments.
@Zirak Fun thing is, in Romanian it is the other way around. You literally say twenty and six :D
@OctavianDamiean Adventavit asinus, pulcheret fortissimus
@IvoWetzel foir is IV, you wrote int four = 6; :p
@FlorianMargaine Well... german roman numerals then! You know reversed and stuff!
20:02
Haha
Your ancestors would be outraged if you confused german with latin :p
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learning latin is like learning a very old programming language
Since romans and germans were in war for so long
@FlorianMargaine Depends on who exactly you count as "germans" back then, but it might have been a tactic by the Germanc Tribes to confuse the Romans!
@OctavianDamiean I want to know ._.
Haha "let's use their system because it works, but in reverse so that it'll confuse the hell out of them!"
@Zirak Do you check your [email protected] email?
20:05
@c'c around where do you live?
Anyways coming back to English, I think it's probably one of the easier languages to learn. There's little to remember besides a sane amount of syntactic rules and the obligatory vocables.
There's not enough information on your profile
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@FlorianMargaine sophia-antipolis
@Zirak Mhmmm, I just started to learn Latin but that says something about either a fool or a donkey that arrived.
20:06
Yeah I agree, english is easy to get
@c'c ah nice
Not like German, where even native speakers get confused about the articel of certain words... >_>
I almost started looking for a job over there
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@FlorianMargaine you're in lyon or paris i'm sure?
20:07
Then I found a job so quickly that I didn't actually look for one...
Grenoble
But I was in Marseille less than a year ago
user1125394
I passed wednesday an interview for Amadeus
user1125394
will see, but I prefer a startup I'm with now
Good luck nonetheless :)
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Amadeus, it doesn't look appealing, they presented it, we have 600 millions lines of code in 15 diff languages
Sounds nice :)
At least there is something to work on, and you have customers for sure
Amadeus is the software any travel agency uses
20:10
600 million?
user1125394
more than windows vista :D
You have 600 megabytes of code if every character and whitespace except for newlines were removed?
user1125394
minified it should still do 60 million
Hed have 600 megabytes if he kept only the newlines
user1125394
20:12
@copy Amadeus
That's what I said
@c'c Yeah, but still ...
Ah, misread.
600 millions sure sounds like a lot
Even including tools to maintain the code
yess
i am starting to pack , to go home
Good night
i have been only at work today for 13 hours
20:14
Insane
Get some rest
Why were you at work?
user1125394
13 * 7$ :))
!!> 13 * 7
@AmaanCheval 91
!!> (13*7)+'$'
20:15
@OctavianDamiean "ReferenceError: $ is not defined"
@OctavianDamiean "91$"
@AmaanCheval Rarely, when I expect something mostly
Honestly if it were 13 hours on a week day, it's ok -- I've done it. But on saturday?!
20:15
@Zirak Check it now
@OctavianDamiean "The ass arrives, beautiful and most brave"
Yea, figured after googling it. :D
Now that's really ninja'd...
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20:22
nice windows removed my background
For having a pirated copy
lol
That punishment.
Oh, that's not all
@Zirak any news about the NYC woman btw?
It pops up every 10-15 minutes telling you to buy it
But you can remove that
20:23
> You steal our software? Well, I steal your background! HA!
m59
m59
My background was already black. Remove that, windows :)
m59
m59
Transparent Background LOL
user1125394
i'm gona pay their licence for that
or use linux...
20:25
@FlorianMargaine Games.
fuck games
write code instead
user1125394
how to run VStudio on linux, nah..
virtualbox
install windows
20:27
@AmaanCheval Replied
@FlorianMargaine Nope
I scared her away
Yep, got it
hmm ... i am still here
I'm addicted, got new fish today and some new macroalgae
@tereško An observation which always holds true
@AmaanCheval Now analyze it. :D
user1125394
20:29
not so a bad idea since my .net thing just sends tcp packets, through virtual box in some bridge mode it's ok
Timezone is different now, so we got nothing. And I'm just going to stop guessing because we're never going to figure it out
@Zirak not with automation
@AmaanCheval Oh we will ... slowly spoken we will.
@AmaanCheval Really? Looking at the headers, I thought it was their server's timezone.
@Zirak The sender's timezone is generally lower after "Date: " in the header
20:32
ah yeah, I see it
Then mail.con sucks at inspecting the reply's header
user1125394
wow you can ctrl+v a picture in gmail
(I will briefly be down as Zirak realized he forgot his porn gentlemen's magazines fancy documents in the other partition)
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@c'c You can drag and drop attachments too
user1125394
yes that I knew
20:39
Good Night
Oh, I can't believe I haven't mentioned them before. Three Days Grace is awesome if you haven't heard them, @GNi33
[email protected] is getting substance abuse propaganda. That should worry me.
@rlemon What's your chatbot greasemonkey script?
@AmaanCheval dude...
20:46
javascript:(function(){var a=document.createElement("script");a.src="https://raw.github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/master/master.js",document.head.appendChild(a)})()
That's my bookmarklet; I recall he added more functionality
nahh
just autoload
made it a userscript
@phenomnomnominal Yeah, I know, they're very popular.
It's not that.. they're just awful
20:47
But sometimes people miss the popular bands! ALRIGHT?
What? No
You and I have very different tastes
Clearly haha
You didn't like Continued Silence by Imagine Dragons either
20:50
@rlemon oh, then wasn't there something about cleaning the DOM or the console or something?
!!/listcommands
@Zirak help, listen, eval, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, listcommands, purgecommands, define, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, awsm, beautify, convert, get, google, hang, karma, learn, mustache, nudge, spec, stat, timer, todo, undo (page 0/0)
Should be worth it though, last time my ears fell off after 11 hours in a 747 >_>
ROT13 is sufficient encryption
@Zirak Replied to your reply email, by the way
OMG there is a game of cats for Android tablets. :D
Gotta try it right now.
20:57
lol
He's awesome
Even though that looks a little scary
Hi
Need some help on the calling $.get method from jquery to MVC controller
I am able to call but not able to get the value
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. [Edsger W. Dijkstra]
I feel like I'm missing something simple to create what I want
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21:17
So is jQuery just like


var $ = { }
Anyone feels like code review?
ugh I think I need a break from code before I go crazy
@XCritics You should start sending pull request for random libraries that just adds var $ = { }
nah, undefined = true
21:23
The point is to break jQuery, not javascript... but yes ha
Function.prototype.call = function () { throw Error('HA!'); }
and by "break jquery" I mean confuse people who don't know what javascript is...
@twiz how far off am I :-)
your mom joke:
21:30
Thanks for the code review -_-
@phenomnomnominal that wont't break jquery
I'll just ask on SE
@BenjaminGruenbaum sure
@FlorianMargaine, no but it will break anyone who isn't smart enough to wrap their shit
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm also watching tv with my gf, so don't expect something very thorough...
Just let me know if you find problems with deep cloning
Or extending
Or you find something you can improve
the clone method seems complicated...
If you can simplify it go ahead, it lets you clone objects with circular references, and it does deep cloning
why are you cloning regex and dates but not strings?
21:37
Strings work as expected, if I try to Object.create to Object.getPrototypeOf on Regex or Date it doesn't work correctly
@FlorianMargaine Really?
Apparently, the prototype of Date is Invalid Date or something stupid like that
code review thing: a is not a good name for a variable
Also, strings are primitive
21:38
No
!!> typeof /a/
!!> typeof "a"
@BenjaminGruenbaum "object"
@BenjaminGruenbaum "string"
Only primitives are undefined,null,number,string and boolean
my bad
!!> /a/ === /a/
@FlorianMargaine false
21:40
what?
Why are you surprised?
!!> {} === {}
@BenjaminGruenbaum "SyntaxError: syntax error"
Yeah, need to be expressions
I thought regex literals were like strings
!!> ({}) === ({})
21:41
immutable and reusable
@BenjaminGruenbaum false
Regex literals are like strings in Java
maybe it's only internally...
@twiz what might I type in that to find out how $() is called
21:43
I know about ({}) == ({}) don't worry, it's just that I thought regex literals were immutable like strings, and so were a single reference
like "a" === "a"
"a" === "a" does value comparison, not reference comparison
well, regex literals are immutable, but the second part was wrong :)
some stupid confusion.
At least you got something from the code review :)
well the thing looks correct
it's just that the variable names look mangled
and numbers in identifiers... brr
I'll change those, I just whipped it up
21:49
I don't know, the thing seems weird
is there all the built-in objects there?
what about custom objects with custom prototypes? does Objec.create handle them well?
I'm not sure, just the basic ones I could think of, this might fail with an XMLHttpRequest or an Image, haven't tested it
Custom objects should work with Object.create , that's what it does
that's what bothers me about your function
it looks like it can start to handle everything, and it actually doesn't
Well, if you find a case it doesn't work, or a way to make it simpler, that'd make me happy
I wrote it for node.js where there isn't any DOM stuff lying around, I'd like it to work in the browser too though
yeah no, I just think that deep cloning objects isn't something that you should need. And when you need it, it should be for primitive values only
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user1125394
21:53
a classic
Why? I think deep cloning has its use cases
for anything but primitive values? I've never seen any use case
primitive values = something out of JSON.parse
What about nested objects?
what about them?
If you pass it a primitive value, it'll clone it btw, if you'll pass it an object without a prototype it'd work as expected so it does shallow cloning too if there is no depth
When you do shallow cloning you get the same references, not a clone, that's unwanted at times
21:56
oh you mean nested object of primitive values?
yeah you should handle this case sure
but except for this... I think the rest is unnecessary
That's most of the code
user1125394
how many .net language are there? seeing en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JScript
The only two other cases I address are dates and RegExp which are also used a lot in my code, I made no exceptions for DOM stuff or any of the sort
21:57
the === null check isn't really necessary btw
Oh?
!!> typeof null
@BenjaminGruenbaum "object"
well it'll just fall won't it?
Nope :) For some idiotic reason typeof null is object
the forEach won't return and stop
the forEach won't loop over anything I mean
21:58
It'll redo Object.create(null) which returns a new object, won't it?
nope
it'll throw an error :D
If I remove it I get "TypeError: Object.getPrototypeOf called on non-object"
Which makes sense :)
or not
since typeof returns object
so it's an object...
and the error tells you it's not
22:00
lol, not really, typeof is just broken XD
yeah, just funny
!!> ({}) instanceof Object
@BenjaminGruenbaum true
!!> null instanceof Object
@BenjaminGruenbaum false
22:00
Although, that's also a bad check, it just checks prototypical object
Especially, since
!!> ([]) instanceof Array
!!> Object.create(null) instanceof Object
`true`
:8838909 `false`
See, it returned false for an Object, so the only reliable way is to check both for null and typeof. (There's a toString hack too)
Just like checking for number with NaN
!!> typeof NaN
22:01
@BenjaminGruenbaum "number"
types in js are fun
You need to add obj!==obj or something like that
@LOKTAR FUCK
It's really not that complicated once you get a hang of it
or isNaN :P
22:02
isNaN is a half-bad name
It should be isNaNOrWhenNumberParsedIsNaN
NaN is a valid IEEE floating point, I never get why people complain about it
Should a math operator return two different types? Maybe a string that describes the error that happened?
I didn't complain about NaN, I complained that isNaN does more than check for NaN.
22:04
@copy I love NaN, it's a good idea and it saves me a lot of time, I just find the choice of name funny
@copy iirc, people making the standard admitted that NaN !== NaN was a mistake though
Maybe because people constantly hate on IEEE floating point?
@FlorianMargaine NaN === NaN would have been much worse
It makes perfect sense that NaN != NaN, just like Infinity != Infinity, it makes no sense saying they are equal, and throwing an Error would have missed the point of using NaN in the first place
(FWIW Infinity === Infinity)
(sorry, 1 minute dead time)
(liar, that was 2 minutes)
(Lisp time!)
22:10
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes, absolutely
HAMMERTIME!
Arrêt!
22:11
HAMMERZEIT!
Heure du marteau!
Lol, good night :) I'm off to sleep
what the hell, I'm not running the bot?
Bonne nuit
oh, hah
!!is it chocolate milk time?
22:14
@Zirak Of course!
:D
@Zirak Screw you ...
@BenjaminGruenbaum last thing about your code: it's a good one since it answers you requirements :P
@OctavianDamiean mmm, yummy
@Zirak I hate you.
22:25
The cup says "coffee", but the contents scream "chocolate...milk"
Also, the position of the cup is a clue.
Sandwich Islands are near it
It's a clue that you should bring me a sandwich
Oh wait, not the position of the cup is the clue but the map itself is!
HA!
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22:34
i'm convinced that @Zirak is a 15 year old girl, probably from siberia.
Nope, not siberia.
Some Latin based language.
Oh has that been eliminated?
I'm already enhancing the image.
@Octavian You're basing that on that Latin sentence he said earlier?
We're on the internet, man
22:36
@AmaanCheval No on the picture of the map on his desk.
Haha, Pierce's camera
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@OctavianDamiean how was your latin test
I hope I made it ...
user2157210
that doesnt sound that good eh
So on his map it says "América del Sur" which is Spanish for South America.
BUSTED!
His first language is Spanish.
22:43
BOOM
@AmaanCheval I think that was your guess too, wasn't it?
user2157210
oh great spanish
I feel some racism coming on...
user2157210
only about 200 countries have spanish speakers living it
user2157210
in
user2157210
22:45
whatever dont read that sentence
user2157210
zirak is from venezuela and his name is jorge
Actually believeable
I'm inclined to believe it. Our Nexxpresso here seems to be pretty skilled at screening people.
nope, he's cuban
that's why he can't reveal his identity or work with US companies, because of the US laws.
I think he's Mexican.
22:48
Probably @BadgerGirl's dad.
user2157210
i didnt even start to profile zirak
Cannot stop listening to this album.
user2157210
jorge from venezuela is the lead software engineer in the company i do my work placement
user2157210
but we can get ziraks identity if we just try
user2157210
22:51
so
user2157210
we got arround 3900 messages where zirak posted a url
Javascript isn't a real language
Is it just me or does jsfiddle currently crash IE10?
Everyone wants to be anonymous... I prefer to be fully transparent so everyone can see the middle finger behind my back.
Yay microsoft

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