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01:52
Only been in this room for 2 years
Didn't know so much chaos happened here
02:08
check the room owner list, like, literally back before 2018 all of them were active and we needed them all for how active this room was
well, except the most recent additions, vlaz and user89764918741
 
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03:17
funny how literally nothing has changed with chat moderation since then
03:55
the only measurable effect was they pushed everyone who made this site what it is out.
also noticed caticha at the time wasn't even an employee
and since then was hired then laid off
shog was still around
shog is probably one of the person who help SO together for so long
catija* tf is wrong with my typing
04:28
anyway time for the usual "I want to have spicy debates" thing, who finally got to the logical conclusion of all the clutter and foregone any build step to use vanilla JS and htmx?
i've never heared of htmx, but after a quick search i don't like it
:P trust the process!
that being said, I did already annoy you with htmx, but I understand you scrapped that from memory :P
that being said, I'm a bit less fervent than I was, though still as thoroughly convinced, and basically that is because I've thought more of like, what html is, and what hypermedia is
04:45
i see
i think my criticisms of it in the past were incorrect
it's certainly possible to pass along markup to the frontend that doesn't immediately get rendered
all that htmx is, is an idea that hypermedia controls, such as <a href="/link">click me</a>, could perhaps encode more interactions than only "replace the whole page" to the browser
yea
i mean,
in a sense... i've already built a system that works very much like this
my first major jquery app, i made almost everything about it dynamic. javascript actions were defined through classes and data attributes
the problem is...
a lot of the logic was simply a billion .live calls
so it was horribly inefficient
it ran fine at the time, but the more... "things" added to it the longer the lag became when events happened, like clicks
it's a fully functional CMS + PIM that we actually only stopped using about 3 months ago
speak about resilience :)
can't find it in chat history, but this randomly reminded me of a discussion / commentating we had about having many handlers attached to specific elements vs global ones dispatching depending on target's attributes
I think I was very adamant that "having hundreds of handlers was no big deal"
two years later, I must say that I might be going towards the "few global handlers" side
few/several
but I find the kind and quality of problems that arise from managing event handlers globally, are nicer to think about than the ones that arise from having to constantly watch the dom to register handlers to elements that are added or removed
also I've starting to use custom events more seriously, and I find the synergy in all that very nice to work with
and, they also fit quite well with adding arbitrary html fragments (hypermedia controls) to the dom
04:55
in most cases... it literally doesn't matter
but at a certain point it absolutely does
it adds up
yeah I can't say I've ever been in the kind of systems where it had an actual performance impact
in terms of how nice it is to reason about, however...
@KevinB what was it replaced with?
wordpress + woocommerce... i'm not necessarily loving it but it's better than what we had
far easier to add new functionality
also looking at akeneo kinda
heh, so I'm currently updating warframe so my bandwith is occupied, hence I won't take it too seriously, but I googled akeneo then clicked on the website and it's been loading for a good 45 seconds
loads right up fo rme
main key they have that we like is freeware self hosted
but... paid plugins so there may be some hidden costs there
what's "product" mean?
... and other questions that make me look kinda simple-minded 😅
idk when I read sales pitch like the opening paragraph my mind goes blank, worse than a newcomer to SO reading an error message
05:17
with akeneo? eh, a product would be like, a tshirt, or a digital good like software keys, etc
anything you can sell
the sole purpose of it is to collect product information, such as name/description/features/specs/images, and allow for relations between products and other types of "things", such as artists, assets, categories, tags, etc
oooh right. thanks. in retrospect it sounds perfectly right
this was nice, I shall now go play warframe. see you around, thanks for the chat
06:00
@KevinB I think I used my RO powers here, like 2-3 times.
I'm definitely the pillar around which this chatroom revolves. Not.
06:39
I may have kicked someone once or twice maybe? I mostly just relied on moving messages
 
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21:22
@VLAZ I always thought you were
Everyone revolves around you and @KevinB.
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