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Tay
2:01 PM
An older idea I had, was basically have 3 canvases on top of each other.

top 2 are transparent. 2nd one only clears after you finish dragging a line with your pencil. 3rd clears all the time, and is for drawing shapes, like squares or pre-made shape tools.
Bottom is the main canvas, it renders all the drawing data saved in one large variable
It sounds insane, like in a bad way
 
I know offtopic, but my little brother wishes me to get a cpu for his new computer as birthday present, and he's saying he either wishes the ryzen 7 3700x or ryzen 5 3600x -- do you guys have any idea which is better for someone?
 
Tay
ryzen 7 is more powerful. but im assuming its more expensive?
 
He's mainly using his computer to play online javascript games + do toxic analysis simulation.
290 euro for ryzen 7 vs 200 euros for ryzen 5.
 
Tay
> Bottom is the main canvas, it renders all the drawing data saved in one large variable
Actually, it would work better if the canvas was static, and only re-rendered the entire variable every time you finished drawing in canvas 2 or 3, and the only canvas thatd need an animation frame is canvas 3!! (actually no, canvas 2 technically needs one too)
Ill try a full rewrite with this idea, see how it goes performance wise
 
make it so
 
Tay
2:06 PM
My only issue is that, in previous work with multiple canvases using animation frames, it cuts the resource thread between them all
So i wonder if itll kill framerate for canvas 2 and 3
 
@paul23 cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/…. For 90 euros might be just worth it for the extra cores
 
yeah but how often are you actually limited by the cores? Instead of single core performance?
 
Not often, unless you're playing older games or using legacy programs
 
It depends. Idk what "do toxic analysis simulation" is but my guess is any half decent simulation software would take advantage of multiple cores
 
FYI the 3600x will overclock better than the 3700x if he's into that
Due to the higher TDP
 
2:11 PM
i upgrade from a an older i7 to an i5 a few years ago, and could definitely notice the difference when running multiple games
pretty quickly replaced it with a new i7
 
don't take my advice tho, i know nothing about hardware
but i'm invested in AMD so def get AMD
;)
 
I've been an intel fanboy for years, but AMD will be my next build
Still refuse to use their GPUs though
 
Nah he just wants to have a pc without looking too much into it :P, and keep it for at least 5+ years.
 
Tay
I can run 10 VS instances with this along with a full graphics game (without significant loss)
try that one
 
3rd gen ryzens are much better than the 2nd
 
2:14 PM
he's going for a GeForce GTX 1660 as gpu, so wondering if the 90 euros couldn't be spent there.. But then he's saying: "I don't game".
 
Its very difficult to compare GPU/CPUs.
@KevinB like shouldn't any core i7 be better than any core i5
 
@BenFortune pick nvidia one
 
@paul23 GPUs aren't just for games, if he's running simulations they can help massively
 
Tay
I have a GTX too, its very powerful for raytracing and modeling, it goes well with a Ryzen 7, we tied all our parts together, saved 3000 bucks
its a hefty 1500 to build manually
 
that's coming from an AMD fanboi (current build is with AMD RX)
 
Tay
2:15 PM
but its worth it
 
True but then you want a quadro or something instead of a gtx :P
 
yeah but then you're spending 3 grand 😃
and the newer generations of cards often beat older quadros
 
> The largest difference between the i5 and i7 is Hyper-Threading, which is a technology to increase the performance of multithreaded tasks. Hyper-Threading makes the processor appear to have double the cores to the operating system and applications. ... For most PC gamers however, an i5 is the better choice.
 
My old tu laptop had one, was so unsatisfied with it, since it pretty quickly became dated due to terrible shader capability.
 
Tay
Honestly, my neighbors an IT who works for all the restaurant chains in and around NC, he made the build list for me, I just built it
 
2:16 PM
So you're recommending things without having knowledge on them? Got it
 
Tay
@paul23 A laptop GTX? Thats not gunna cut it
 
@Tay Based on what information?
 
@paul23 no RTX? :/
 
@JBis eh, no, not necessarily, depends on what your usecase is
 
was during the an old core 2 duo era.
 
2:17 PM
my colleague is doing VR sessions for customers, so as part of his job, he got a new laptop with a RTX card in it. That was 3000+ ish EUR
 
and why is apple baking core i3's into computers
 
I still have my core 2 quad extreme somewhere :D
 
Tay
Im going based off of experience, I do Blender modeling and simulations + I love rendering 3D fractals, its amazingly fast on the current graphics cart I got
 
I expected a thick laptop but that was kinda acceptable
 
that i5 was muuch better than the old i7 920, as long as you weren't running a large number of cpu intensive apps
 
2:18 PM
slighty thicker than my thumb
 
it still had faster cores, just less of them.
 
Tay
arent the laptop GPUs basically shortened and shrinked, losing space for computing power?
 
@KarelG Was it IBM thinkpad thicc?
 
so do you want more cores or faster cores?
 
I actually liked the laptop since it was about the only 1 that was both undestroyable physically and never overheated.
 
2:18 PM
I want both
:p
which is why i stick to i7 now
 
i would think more cores cause most software uses multiple cores
 
i just didn't think i needed an i7 at the time
 
Tay
Intel cores caused me issues before, thats why I use AMD now
 
@Tay Sort of, nowadays they are downclocked desktop chips
 
but you can get a core i7 with high core low clock speed or high clock speed less cores
 
Tay
2:19 PM
I know some are built into the motherboard too
 
Interesting. My HTTP library is flagging some of the cookies as "invalid".
 
Tay
I have a built in 1TB ssd in my motherboard, however, we didnt want an integrated card.

So we spent WAYY too much on an RTX
and its beautiful, its huge too
 
My current msi laptop has quite the capabilities.
 
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@JBis Again, that can be massively subjective
 
Tay
2:20 PM
Im running an MSI GPU
it says NVidia, but its from MSI?
no idea
 
nope, it's an nvidia - just put together by msi
 
Tay
Ok, that makes sense
 
A newer generation i7 will beat an older generation i7 with the same clock speeds
 
for what reason?
 
Tay
 
2:21 PM
something else I was considering was i wanted to OC it, and felt overclocking the i5 would be... less likely to cause issues
 
Tay
Current GPU has no info on MSI
 
also why don't they call it something else so i can tell?
 
dunno how true that is
 
@BenFortune :P
 
@JBis The manufacturing process
 
Tay
2:21 PM
I always thought the card manufacturers had SOME kind of tech inside of it
 
more silicon
 
but... :shrug:
i dont' mess with overclocking anymore
 
newer technologies with the motherboards/buses
 
is there a metric that tells me newer is better than older?
 
Tay
bruh overclocking killed 2 cores on my laptop 4 years ago XD
I was so pissed
 
2:22 PM
@JBis yeah, I just gave you it
 
it's just completely unnecessary
 
only confusing this is that "modern" i5s are much better than older i7s so it's hard to chose which chipset to go for.
 
Tay
With the current GPU/CPU overclocking is kindof irrelevant.
 
will a 2017 core i7 beat a 2020 core i3?
 
i'd only do it on an old card i'm ready to replace but want to keep for a little bit longer
 
2:23 PM
@JBis On single core performance, probably not
 
really? thats crazy
 
also, back then very few games actually made use of multiple cores
 
2017?
 
a lot of the older stuff i was playing didn't
now days most do
 
2:25 PM
so how the hell do you compare chips?
 
benchmarks
but don't bother doin that yourself, there's whole communities dedicated to that
 
lol, then you got to figure out which benchmarks you actually care about
 
generally, yes
computers have many use cases
 
2:30 PM
 
couldn't deal with a white laptop
 
Tay
Ya know, ive never actually benchmarked this new pc
Well, never benchmarked at all really
 
very few pc's have metal frames which i really like
 
@BenFortune true. I favor a black one. Slick black
@JBis get a custom case?
 
@BenFortune I hear you don't like apple?
 
2:32 PM
@paul23 I don't mind them
 
@BenFortune racist
 
@JBis I wish laptops stopped using the weak plastics and go back to magnesium for strength again. I need a laptop that survives falling from the stairs
 
the question is more: why dropping it
 
Shit happens
 
my laptop needs to withstand me slaming it when i get an error
 
2:33 PM
*caress my broken corner cover, which got glue'd and taped*
I dropped it ... twice on the same spot on two different days
 
why have a laptop at all
 
the second one broke it
 
At one point I was taking my laptop out of hte bag while iwas being called, so I tried to pick up the phone and forgot I was holding a laptop, which means the laptop was suddenly hanging freely in the air.
Since that is not a natural position for a laptop to be in, it started falling.
 
hah
gothca start imagine that
 
Tay
Most of you guys have jobs or have experience in the adult workspace.. Do people in professional workspaces still tear off keyboard pieces, break laptop screens, and draw on their computers...
 
2:35 PM
Adult scene....
 
@KevinB dragging around real pc's are good for your back and muscles ;)
 
@Tay you have no idea
 
i've had several throughout the years, thinking i'd use them, but it always ends up something i use for a few days then never again unless on a trip
 
Tay
Just another reason to prepare to work from home :D
 
I hate working at work on another pc than my personal laptop where I put everything in the right place.
 
2:36 PM
We buy keyboards/mice monthly because someone spills something or breaks it
 
o.o
that's a higher rate than my team
 
my keyboard doesn't have letters printed on the keys anymore
 
Tay
hah typical humans, break break spill spill break break some more
 
@KarelG this includes our CS
 
@BenFortune terrible
i've yet to spill liquid on my tech knock on wood
 
2:37 PM
I was surprised that the amount of keyboards I could find in the "local" computer store (mediamarkt) was so limited nowadays btw.
 
Tay
my keyboard right now is a Dell KB815t, with like the antique smartcard reader and everything, it works beautifully and the keys are fine, other than some smudges and grime from age, a little clean up and its good as new
I take care of my tech
 
we don't have issues with people writing on shit, i mean, they're all adults
but they do break shit and spill shit
 
has that also moved completely to online buying? How do you guys test keyboard for ergonomically nice typing?
 
Had my k70 for like, 5 years now
 
Tay
Bruh, im still using my old logitech wireless mouse from 2015 :D
 
2:38 PM
wdym "write on computers"?
 
@paul23 all about the switches 😃
 
Tay
and im a 15 year old, I got this stuff when I was ten, and I didnt break shit
 
I bought a switch testing kit
 
Tay
Shows maturity in adults
 
@BenFortune but you have to check multiple keyboards
I go by experience from myself and others
(usually on reddit)
 
2:39 PM
i'm sure if it came out of their paychecks they would be much more careful
 
Tay
Yeah
with me, I dont get a paycheck, and I dont get replacements
 
Doubt it
 
I've got a k65 with red at work and a k70 with brown for home
 
Keyboards are cheap
 
Tay
I love my ancient keyboards and Im proud
 
2:40 PM
@paul23 You sure?
 
Tay
@paul23 Wait till you see 2020 alienware keyboards
those shit tech nowadays with the rainbow lights, typically upwards of 100-200 bucks
 
i'm using an old logitech g110, the usb port isn't powerful enough to do anything
but the keyboard is great
 
Tay
Ive seen some up to 300
 
my gaming keyboard is a factory HP one
or was it packard?
 
@Tay There are handmade mechs going for upwards of a grand
 
2:41 PM
*checks*
 
that said... my keyboard drivers crashed last week mid-boss fight. that wasn't fun
 
Tay
Dude if I want a new keyboard, go on ebay, search "2016" "dell" buy the first clean keyboard less then 20 bucks
 
What's the margin on those keyboards? The technology hasn't really changed the last 30 years.
 
There's a huge scene around mechanical keyboards
 
Tay
thats such a waste of money and time..
 
2:41 PM
True, but it's the same technology.
 
Tay
for glowy lights and "mechanical keyboards"
 
i still don't understand why people need their keyboard to light up in 50 different colors
 
"waste of money and time"
lol
i mean
when you have money to waste, it isn't an issue
 
Tay
Seriously, if people ignored the lights and the fancy tech, The keyboards from 2015 versus today work fine
 
2:42 PM
This is my next kb for sure, when my K70 finally dies
 
Tay
I love the mid-height keys, not too tall, not paper flat like apple's... but just in the middle
 
😂 HP ku-0316
 
Tay
dell is good at doing that
 
25 bucks
 
i've never used a mechanical keyboard
 
2:42 PM
> macOS Not Supported
 
i've never used a 4k monitor
 
@KevinB Half of the people in my office didn't, and now they do 😂
 
Tay
KevinB, Im lucky, my blind ass cant see past 1080p, so im happy with my 2017 samsung for the rest of time for all I care
 
@BenFortune why not just look at notifications?
 
@JBis Because sometimes they aren't important, and I don't have time to be checking every single one
 
2:44 PM
mechanical keyboard weigh a tonnes though.
 
Tay
> membrane keyboard have better reputation than mechanical keyboards when it comes to typing sound volume. Some mechanical keyboard, especially the blue switches, can be very loud
Yeah screw mech
Im happy with my loud ass 2015
but I dont need a loudER one
 
@BenFortune also isn't the entire idea not to look down at your keyboard
 
@BenFortune hol'up ... I'm almost sold ... almost hit the the blue "buy" button
 
Tay
@paul23 If you want a heavy keyboard, put flex tape on your keyboard bottom XD
 
> Connection Type: USB 2.0
that prevented me it
 
2:46 PM
@JBis Sure, but if it has extra functionality
 
Tay
One day ima tape my keyboard and mousepad down, cant tell you how much hell I get from my razer goliath sliding around ON MY FUCKING RESIN DEESKTOP
and no, I dont have a goliath mouse
my sis bought it, gave me the rainbow mousepad for kicks
XD
 
@KarelG like you'd notice a difference 😃
 
Nah I need my keyboard be able to get thrown.. when I get frustrated that my code isn't doing what it should do..
 
Tay
Paul, make it out of Oobleck-plastic, that stuff theyre putting on cars
 
fortunately it's backwards compatible. I don't have USB2.0 ports on my pc
 
Tay
2:48 PM
survives impacts
Custom keyboard setups and materials are all the rave nowadays
 
@BenFortune was not serious tho. I already subbed to their newsletters. Maybe someday, I'm sold when they have a nice promo
 
Tay
"oh guys come buy my kawaii sushi keyboard caps!" "oh come buy this green neon frameboard!!"
 
@KarelG my friend has the das4, absolutely solid keyboard
 
btw, they even have a little mini game on their website
 
Tay
Ima go work on DDU, bai
 
2:50 PM
was just like "lol"
(select "more" -> destroy this site)
 
> Health experts say they now believe nearly one in three patients who are infected are nevertheless getting a negative test result. They caution that only limited data is available, and their estimates are based on their own experience in the absence of hard science.
 
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@JBis our gov does not look at test results but at # of people being hospitalized and how many ended in intensive care
 
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@KarelG don't the hopitals use test results to decide whether people need to stay in hosptital?
 
3:02 PM
here, no
not enough beds in the hospitals to keep every positive patient.
Only the ones that need it stay, and that doesn't really require a positive test to decide
 
UK is upto 2.7k dead and about 44k cases
 
we went up 104 cases, with 4 more deaths, in this state
 
561 today, 44 with no underlying conditions
 
2 of the deaths in my county
expect to see more, a nursing home here was apparently hit pretty bad
2 actually
 
i'm getting increaslingly concerned about the older people in my family (grandparents, etc)
 
3:05 PM
the older people in my family have all been isolated for weeks at this point
 
Yeah, there's a mandatory 12 week lockdown for the vulnerable here
 
what about food?
 
delivered
 
delivery
 
or family/friends/community help
 
3:06 PM
we just started a 2 week lockdown tuesday
 
we can't get delivery service everything is like 3 week min]
and at best you get 60% of what you ordered
 
but we can still go out and get necessities from the local stores
 
@BenFortune problametic when they live in a place with all old people
 
pff my boss wishes to promote me
but the promotion would put me on track to go more and more into sales and customer relations.
yet I actually wish to go towards more development and deeper into programming.
But I don't see any promotion in that side coming soon, or maybe ever.
 
unfortunately the higher positions all seem to be business related not technical
 
3:10 PM
Someone needs to figure things out, and it not really "high", there's lots to learn still about programming for me, and I want to learn that! That's my motivation.
 
@JBis these are government mandated
@JBis They usually have carers if it's a community of old people
 
@BenFortune wait, your government actually helps its people?
 
It tries
 
astonishing
 
there are 22 long term care facilities in the state with active covid-19 outbreaks
 
3:12 PM
I'm now actually thinking of denying the promotion, but than I fear I'll be skipped forever in the future.
 
O.o
 
I'd like to go into a leadership role in development, but this wouldn't put me on track for that... It would put me on track for customer relations (leadership).
 
oh well maybe explain that to them
 
3:31 PM
@JBis The problem was that the HTTP client library I was using adheres to a cookie specification that doesn't jive well with SO. I had to tell it to adhere to the RFC 6265 "interoprability profile". Thanks for your help.
 
@Michael ah, interesting it doesn't default to latest spec. np glad you figured it out
 
Tay
4:05 PM
YES ITS SAVING THEM
FINALLY
It saves every line as a 4 number array, every free line as 2, and same with spray, and it auto generates the spray particles, so Im not saving hundreds of dots
and it updates the backplate every time you make a change
now all thats left is to add the undo and redo features )_)
Check it out, its complete, other than the undo and redo + extra features + clean up and design: functflow.github.io/DynamicDrawingUtility
You can dynamically draw!
 
 
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6:44 PM
Trying to help my son, but I don't know javascript. He is asking how to perform commands on a different browser window. Things like refresh the page, or read the innerText on that page. I have tried all the search terms I know, and all I have learned is that I don't know anything. Can you help me?
 
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(He's 11, so he doesn't have an account of his own to be able to ask)
Together, we figured out things like .indexOf or .location.reload(true), but I can't figure out what to put in front of the command, where 'window' or 'document' would go if we were focused on the page he is building.
 
7:39 PM
I'm a bit confused. What is your exact question?
 
my exact question...
One of the questions my son is asking me is "How do I search to see if text is there on a different tab?"
I suppose my exact question is "How do I refer to to the object of a different tab in javascript, such that .indexOf or other commands will be performed on that tab?"
 
that's not possible,
each tab is it's own... sandbox, so to speak
 
^ yep
 
if one page opened another, you can do some things
 
7:46 PM
If the two tabs belong to the same site then you can use a worker
 
if they're the same domain, yea
 
We can (and do) open the second tab with something like newWin = window.open('https://www.google.com/search?q=time', 'windowName');
does that help?
 
no
 
That's disappointing. He did have something specific he wanted to do, but really this is just an educational exercise... so... how can we get education on this? Why doesn't it work? Is there no way for any browser window to see any other browser window? and so forth
 
I'd start with an introduction to javascript, get the fundamentals down and it'll help you see what can and can't be done
 
7:49 PM
I did figure out that I can see the boolean newWin.location.closed, though, so they do 'see' each other in some way...
Ok, an introduction to javascript. I don't know of one of those. My son is 11. Which introduction would you suggest, for an 11 yo? Web search isn't something that an 11 yo should be doing, and I have no way to vet the quality of an introduction
He did the Khan Academy lessons on javascript already, but those weren't helpful for his questions
 
@forresthopkinsa oh thats cool, didn't know workers work that way
 
Might only be service workers that can communicate across windows
don't recall
 
There is a youtube educator by the name 'The Net Ninja', he has great courses for JS
 
@CWilson I always recommend the course "Practical Javascript" online
It's free
 
@CWilson This sounds like an xyproblem.info. If you are able to describe what he would like to do, what his idea is, we maybe able to provide an alternative solution. However, accessing different windows isn't possible.
 
7:55 PM
What he wants to do is learn javascript and do cool things with it
In this case, today, he wanted to get an answer to his question on how to read from a website
So, let's talk more specifically about that
 
That is possible. He wants to do something called "scraping".
 
say we have a site, like Amazon (one that I can think of right now) that has information that changes throughout the day.
 
well, "cool" is subjective, like, interacting with code that isn't yours, has it's limitations. You can type code into the console to interact with the site you're currently on, but you're limited to what is allowed within that window
 
he wants to check the website every so often, and see what changes take place
 
within the context in which your code is operating
 
7:57 PM
I know that they have an API, and have worked with it myself, but that doesn't meet his goals, because he wants to stay in javascript
(amazon is just an example)
 
@CWilson there will be a couple fundamental things he needs to learn first
 
he may know all of them. I sure don't
 
Namely, HTML, the dom api, HTTP requests, fetch api
 
so, scraping, I thought that was pulling down the entire text, and saving it, and then doing something with it
 
@CWilson that's exactly what you're doing in the browser lol
 
7:58 PM
Remeber, what you see on the screen is represented by markup. A single page markup is very small (usually).
 
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I learned html in the 90's, and taught it to him well enough. he has created a few pages. I don't think that basic html is really the problem here.
 
stable is still on 80 urgh
 
lol forrest, you're going to have to wait a while. My guess is no major releases during corona.
 
he doesn't really enjoy css, but understands it and downloads source and changes it for other sites
 
8:00 PM
Ok well thats pretty good
 
You're not going to be making a website in order to read data from another website. It'll still be JS but it'll be a program, not a site
And you'll be using Node.js and a webdriver like Selenium
@JBis I'll be very cross
 
I believe you. I have no idea what those are. I do all the software installations on his machine, so I doubt he has any experience with those
 
tl;dr Node.js is how you run JS programs outside a browser, it has its own API to do things that native programs do like read files
a webdriver lets you control a browser page, read elements, push buttons, etc
 
here is a probably good (resource is good, didn't look at article too much) article on scraping with node freecodecamp.org/news/…
"Rendering JavaScript Pages" is a very important thing to consider
> Recently, however, many sites have begun using JavaScript to generate dynamic content on their websites. This causes a problem for request-promise and other similar HTTP request libraries (such as axios and fetch), because they only get the response from the initial request, but they cannot execute the JavaScript the way a web browser can.
SPA's strike again
 
That's why you use a webdriver instead
 
8:06 PM
yeah and add 100mb's of dependencies
 
Well, I am glad I asked. We have been trying to figure out why the newWin.location.closed property was working, but we couldn't newWin.location.reload(true) or read anything from the DOM of newWin location. At least I can tell him that we weren't doing anything wrong
 
my suggestion is to first get comfortable with the DOM API.
and css selectors
 
puppeteer is a good option too, it does basically the same thing
I just haven't used it
the nice thing is that selenium has the browser extension I linked above
 
puppeteer is a browser, installs chromium and remote controls
Either works
 
8:10 PM
puppeteer is a high-level webdriver, it's the same thing as selenium
just higher-level
 
@CWilson long story short, theres a couple things he needs to learn before doing this project. (Others will disagree strongly but) I think setting out to do a project and learning all the things you need to accomplish that project is a great way to learn vs the classic basic js tutorial.
 
Thank you. When he has more questions that are even further over my head, is there another place I can go for answers? We are getting to the point where I don't always understand his questions
 
We're sometimes here :)
 
well, not always, but you can always try here lol
 
I don't suggest asking on the main site however.
 
8:13 PM
Main is a great resource when you have a good understanding of the question you're asking
If you're not really sure what your question is then Main is the wrong place to ask
 
Ironically, I'm gonna go now. Good luck, cya o/
 
ttyl jbis
 
8:56 PM
@JBis yes it was that one
 

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