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We're hiring an L4 Engineer (Junior/Mid level) in Minneapolis! Reach out to me if you'd like more information. Emphasis on front end, but expected to be back end capable.
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imo it's so funny because it's... hardly nonsense. it's mostly sense :D
@JBis can you pin please?
Or any RO
i think there' sactually a jobs stack exchange here: stackoverflow.com/jobs
@ndugger Ill star it so some people can see it for now until RO answers
19:15
Thanks fam
19:33
Hi everyone!
19:47
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What the hell is going on
you're interrupting a sacred ritual
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20:08
for nodejs, is pm2 better than systemd in a world of microservices ?
How would npm install on synology gives zlib invalid distance error this be a too generic error to post? (and why could I get it posted by editing the question)
@paul23 update your dependencies ? zlib library is out of date
Does anybody know if it's safe to destroy cookies in a beforeunload callback?
@bvdb pm2 is cross-platform, systemd is not even universal across versions of the same linux distro
is it worth the upgrade to pm2 if systemd is already set up ?
20:14
if it ain't broke..
yes, that's what I was thinking. - I do have the feeling that systemd does not give me a clear overview of my node services. Maybe pm2 does a better job at that ?
How does a moderator not have a username?
probably in protest
Kevin did the same thing a couple months ago
what are they protesting for ? - pay ? or hongkong ?
takes yellow jacket out of the car :)
I remember when I was a "user1231237+blahblah" type person ;-;
years ago
20:18
i mean
i didn't do it in protest
let's burn some tires anyway ;-)
@TaylorS Sounds like a good reason to use firebase. This project is more old school, so I'm stuck with webpack running in a docker container as part of a cloud build task.
lol
I use firebase nowadays for my sites, like functflow.web.app
always
posted on February 18, 2020 by Myles Borins

Notable changes Node.js 12.16.0 included 6 regressions that are being fixed in this release Accidental Unflagging of Self Resolving Modules: 12.16.0 included a large update to the ESM implementation. One of the new features, Self Referential Modules, was accidentally released without requiring the --experimental-modules flag. This release is being made to appropriately flag the feature. Proc

plus if you merge FirebaseDB with your project, you can emulate a sort of "dynamic page"
#WorthIt
20:22
wat
Nvm...
Thanks.
bruh I found this "old pc" animation from a while back that I was bored and made, still one of my favourites: codepen.io/SkylerSpark/pen/QWbjLEz
Skyler, that was Walter White's wife.
Who now?
20:25
american tv fiction
I dont watch tv.
Sorry m8
:P
Im either coding, building in minecraft and uploading 2k HD Shader videos showing off such builds, Making a crappy game in Unity, OR watching crunchyroll
TV has sortof left my mind
In "Breaking Bad", Walter White, a high school chemistry teacher and part time car wash worker, decides to begin an illegal methamphetamine business to pay his cancer treatment bills.
Oof. Ok Ive heard of that one
Its on netflix and well worth watching if you like criminal shows.
I watch flash, closest thing to "Police and CSI/Criminal Shows"
I mean the main character is Literally a CSI
20:27
Breaking Bad is often considered one of the greatest series ever made
It's on a different level than CW shows
The writing was amazing, while remaining just humerous enough to digest the included misery.
I still liked Lost more
Hmm, well if im bored as all get out, Ill pop on and see it
You guys seen "dark" on netflix
Its pretty damn crazy
Dark is fantastic
Now that's an excellent series
I love the extremely industrious yet rustic time travel
20:29
dont think ive seen Dark
Its so interesting to see all the time loops with a bit of teenage drama and criminal interest all merged together
worth seeing it
Never saw the ending, but saw most of the show up towards to climax and the ultimatum, but never past it.
There are multiple seasons
I don't know if you know
@bvdb it's the newest on synology dsm.
\Damn
or well, there isn't a package to update in synology package center.
20:32
Pretty sure ive only finished the first season of dark then.
I'm like an episode away from the end of S2
Do you like your synology nas?
@Paul what do you mean?
Hey guys think this could be turned into an interesting text based Snake? codepen.io/SkylerSpark/pen/NWPboJZ
Do you find it reliable and foolproof, or does it need constant fiddling?
re: snake. Is ascii art still a thing?
20:43
yes
atleast for me
ok
21:05
Do you guys think that having knowledge in graphs is useful in day-to-day programming or would you consider it more of a specialized thing?
I.e. in your opinion how much should an average programmer know about graph theory?
75% of what you learn in a Computer Science education is not relevant to day-to-day programming
25% is probably being generous
in terms of "day-to-day"
If you were thinking about picking up an IT related book in order to improve yourself as a programmer, what are the top three topics you would try to pick?
(I think we can immediately get graph theory out of the way)
GoF Design Patterns
Code Complete
25% is very generous
21:12
@Paul We've never really had problems with it: but so far we've just used it as a host os for dockers.
I've also been wanting to read YDKJS but that's not really a general book
good typo paul
I think a "programming" degree should be philosophy, art, chemistry, then computer science
never took you for a Liberal Arts guy
oops
I'm not, and I oppose college, but if I had to come up with a programming degree, it would be those 4 subjects
21:14
lol please no
maybe add "communications" and "english"
My preference is that people use the tools available to them already, like google. You can learn computer science in depth, all with free content online
programming is not an art at all
Disagree 100000%
it's engineering: you plan and aim to get the same result always.
21:14
who are you disagreeing with
paul
Art is anything humans make, imo
@paul23 The problem with the "software engineering" idea is that you absolutely cannot plan out software the way you can any other field of engineering
It's a long road to nowhere
The act of architecting and designing your solutions is extremely artistic in nature. The actual, technical implementation less so, but it's still a very creative exercise
21:16
I never considered myself a creative, I'll take any excuse to call myself an artist
@forresthopkinsa With this I disagree: the only difference is that in SE the engineer is also the handiman who creates it. But this is actually an advantage allowing us to move faster.. Other than that it's just engineering.
In the obscure case that programming is both art and engineering, you guys might be arguing over nothing.
of course it's both
@EnnMichael "arguing over nothing" is literally the purpose of r17
21:16
@ndugger That's technology - from techne τέχνη (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techne)
you're technology
For the ancient greek there indeed was no difference between art and enginered products.
But currently the major, major difference is the way you go around and strive for goals.
> way you go around and strive for goals
doesn't actually mean anything
what do you mean?
If an engineer has twice the same goal, ideally he wishes that both products are equal. Otherwise at one time he made a mistake. An artist however is happy if the products are different even though his original goal was the same.
@ndugger That you set goals when you create something, and have very clear goals. While in art you work by having an impression of what you want but having a fixed goal isn't important.
21:21
You don't always have such clear goals. Projects evolve over time. Facebook was originally an app for ranking Harvard students by "hotness".
Therein lies the problem with engineering software the way you would a bridge
There are very clear bounds to what you need to make a bridge and how you can measure its success
@EnnMichael Sure but it's how you go about it: you start working with clear goals in mind; that they change is natural but you don't work with "hmm I might wish to get an program that does abc, but if it turns out doing def it's also good.
With software, the ETA and the goalposts tend to shift every two weeks
Oh bridge a good example: we have a bridge between my house and the supermarket/center. The bridge needed to be repaired before I ever started studying already (12 years ago). However constantly the design of the bridge changed due to moving requirements - yet it's still always "fixed" once the engineering "starts again".
well that's just a failure by the engineers then
if you try to estimate software costs as is they were as fixed as bridgebuilding supplies then you end up disappointed
21:25
Design changed due to halfway a metro needed to go over it, then also the public liked a 4 post vertical bridge more so protestors made the requirements change again. Then our government got into bankruptcy so the design had to change to be cheaper... Then there were some special fish in the water, so the design needed to be made broader to not hit the coast.
That's entertaining
Love government projects
Now it's just the old bridge but strengthened to fulfill the minimal criteria made 12 years ago when they checked the concrete and found cracks.
Oh + the metro.
@BenjaminGruenbaum || afk does tho :)
I think I'm going to use a temporary docker to do the node building XD
getting npm to fully work in bare synology dsm is too much pain
ENTRYPOINT ["npm", "ci", "--only=production", "&&", "npm", "run", "build"] should work as entrypoint right?
I totally forgot SO had chat
21:39
🤔
How could you possibly forget something so awesome like r17?
hello world!
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Is this new? I've never noticed this chat feature before!
JIT botting!
Nope, we've been here for a while @7iiBob. Stay a while :)
21:47
hmmm, can't find waldo
It does look like a where's waldo, doesn't it?
I don't know why you shared that, but I love old maps
This is beautiful, in my opinion
I was just testing out the upload feature. I agree, all my backgrounds are old maps
21:54
Wow that one is crazy
Do you have more?
I'm stealing all of these
Awake to see someone spamming ancient maps in the javascript chat

*mind blown*
alright time to build another castle in 2k Shaders and then upload it to youtube.
Bye everyone
22:05
lol
auf wiedersehen
ancient? 🤔
There is much worse forms of spam, let's be honest
22:37
Hello, i'm looking for a regex that match everything between two string @V newline or tab included
\@V(\s|.)*?\@V
it doesn't work
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