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19:10
@ndugger Tulsi Gabbard is a freak
she's a republican plant
like a ficus
no direct sun please
water once a week
exactly
she's a vampire
republican vampire ficus
She has some really great ideas about policy, and I really like her perspective on US regime-change wars, but she's also got some very kooky ideas rolling around in her head that just don't add up
I still like her the most for president out of everyone
She isn't going to win the nomination because everybody knows that she can't win the general election
She's also very passionate about disparaging her competitors
19:15
Right, but the way funding works in the US is that you have to go so far, and get a certain % of people on your side in order to receive funding for the next election
She's playing the long game
Which she can, because she's not on her death bed, like bernie
That's how the funding train works, my dude
I still think that whoever wins needs to be able to get a portion of the red vote
Gotta run a few times
Several dem nominees can do that
Tulsi can't
19:16
She was in the military; she absolutely can
america in 2016: we can't elect someone so old. 75 is too old. think about if he dies!
also america in 2016: lets elect a 71 year old in poor health.
She's Hindu. Never gonna happen
And she's not as far left as bernie
God, I fucking hate religion
I'd rather have a hindu in charge
19:17
As a Christian, I'd also rather have a Hindu in charge, because all these fake religious politicians piss me off
is there a particular reason why you're dragging me away from my work, @ndugger?
Oh look, it''s shog, here to talk down to me because he thinks using a bible verse is appropriate
@Shog9 don't pay attention to him. his work is enforcing no semicolons and trailing comma's
he's a bit bitchy today
@ndugger pretty rich after the string of comments and a revision history note that's now generating flags.
Maybe I should start attaching bible verses to my questions that talk about how you can't go to heaven if your dick was cut off. Oh, that wouldn't be cool? So only some bible verses are allowed? Oh, and you have to be a moderator in order to do so?
10/10
19:19
Maybe you should make a constructive edit.
I did
it was rolled back
because apparently it's my responsibility to ensure that you don't attach religious texts to your content
I doubt Joel would approve
So is that actually your issue here, or are you just mad because I told y'all not to make threats and you're using this as some sort of passive-aggressive stick?
And of course my upvoted comment was removed about how you shouldn't have a bible verse
Because we couldn't possibly have any descent
hey now, "y'all" ?? no one else here has disdain over your post
in fact, we're elated it's not about us
My issue is with religion, and your use of it to try to drive home a point
It's not appropriate
and I'm very well sure you know that
19:21
So replace it with a different quote.
@ndugger I'm very well sure I don't. I think you have an axe to grind, and I'm trying to figure out what it is.
It's not my job to find quotes for you, I edited the quote out all together, because it's not appropriate
That was rolled back, because you seem to think the rules don't apply if you have a diamond next to your name
@ndugger how exactly is the quote itself inappropriate?
@Loktar I really don't want to talk to you about it, as you're religious yourself, and you're not gonna like that I don't want any kind of quote to any sort of religious texts in an official communication
Like complaining about someone linking reddit/r/gaming when they also have porn on the site
@ndugger please don't assume my religious views
I know your religious views
It's not been a secret
19:24
You actually don't though, but lets keep on topic rather than personal attacks
This isn't official communication. Someone dug up an old chat message of mine to try to use it to justify threatening folks in chat, so I had to write something to dispute that.
you're not helping your cause by being a dick about it. you made the edit, someone else rolled it back. community can roll it back to yours if they* like.
And you thought, Oh, let's quote the bible, because that's obviously reflective of StackOverflow's mission of being welcoming
"A soft answer turns away wrath"? Yeah, that's pretty welcoming.
also, I fail to see how defending your quote about Kick on Sight is defending bullying
19:25
Literally the whole point.
Contextually, it isn't, being in the bible, which is homophobic.
So is it cool if I start quoting Mein Kampf, as long as I only quote the good parts?
@ndugger sure, why not?
facepalm
Hitler wore hats, so do you.
@rlemon the context was a post where someone was complaining that they'd been threatened with kicking (which they had).
19:26
yes. I've commented on the post - I'm the one who posted your quote
Everything is about context, are you going to look at who printed each book you want to quote to make sure they have beliefs in line with yours as well
Sterling wasn't justifying bullying. we were explaining that the user complaining about being bullied has already caused so many problems in this room they are no longer welcome
Yeah, well... It didn't quite come across like that. Caused a fair bit of confusion.
@Loktar My problem is that it's contradictory to stackoverflow's mission, but it's cool as long as you have a diamond next to your name. If you had a bible verse in one of your questions, it wouldn't be allowed. This is about consistent enforcement of the rules across the board. Joel pulls the same shit and uses SO as his own personal soapbox from time to time, but it's ok because he has a diamond next to his name
i mean, except we still generally allow him here, until he causes a problem. I don't think we've actually enforced a KoS since "the thing"
19:28
Sep 15 '16 at 20:22, by Shog9
warning about kicking is only slightly more effective than warning about warning
that would've probably been a better quote
because most people are afraid we'll get in trouble. which is why @Shog9 recent post is a good thing
@ndugger fine, that's fair.
I do hate religion, but the point here is that if a regular user did it, it wouldn't be allowed, but diamonds don't have to follow the rules
wouldn't it?
if I saw that edit on meta, I'd probably roll it back too
> offers no value
If there's a rule, I'm not aware of it. This is hardly the first time I've quoted religious material of one sort or another.
19:31
Go ask a question and attach a religious text to it; see what happens
I'll start quoting sharia law, because apparently it's allowed
@ndugger Just, stop it, will you? Even if it is the bible quote you have qualms with, every attempt at a compromise with you (leading to offering you to substitute the quote with another, non biblical one) resulted in you being combative, sarcastic, and trollish.
You're being a troll right now, and you know it. Just stop.
HAMMERTIME!
love you cap
...I missed that bot.
19:34
I edited it out. That was a perfectly fine solution to offer. I don't have to go find a new quote. If he wants an appropriate quote that isn't religious, then that's on him. I am simply trying to suggest that religion is not appropriate on stackoverflow, especially not in a communique from a moderator
@ndugger you could just ask twitter
/me heads out
lol, twitter
@ndugger A quick search on SO finds several examples, so... I don't think you actually researched this and I'm still skeptical that you're not just using this as an excuse to stir up trouble.
I'm also not trolling, so you can stop with that
@Shog9 serious lack of Proverbs on meta tho
only two instances, you are one
19:35
I don't know what else to call stirring up drama and conflict for no good reason.
honestly, if Shog were the other side of this 'argument' I would have already binned it and kicked the offending parties. it's overtly combative
Just because you don't think it's a good reason doesn;t mean it isn't. I feel strongly about the exclusion of religion on SO. If you don't fine, but I doubt SO staff (including Joel) would approve of using religious texts to drive home a point, when the bible is chalked full of homophobic verses, and Joel being who he is, would probably not approve
so if you have so much beef with the quote, open a meta question and let the votes fly. otherwise accept that the site isn't going to fit 100% for you
you'll have to live with it
But ok, fine, I guess I'm hearing that religious texts are perfectly acceptable on SO, but only ones that people agree with.
Good fucking grief
19:38
@ndugger Be that as it may, ranting about it in comments (even after being clearly told it's not the place), and making a rather aggressive edit, is not in any way a constructive outlet for those strong feelings.
okay cool. so we're done with this then?
you're accepting it and we're moving on now?
I edited out a quote; how is that aggressive?
In the comment, I pointed out how it was inappropriate
Also not aggressive
@ndugger And people proceeded to point out that it was not, in fact, inappropriate.
To be perfectly honest, this isn't the place to be discussing this either, and I agree with @rlemon.
If you have qualms with bible quotes in general on stack overflow, make a meta post about it, garner votes, and we'll handle things accordingly.
How is it not? I see it as being very clearly inappropriate. Quoting religious texts, from a book full of homophobia and other ilk... from a moderator...
This isn't the place to dispute moderator/employee actions
19:41
it isn't that you have beef with the quote, it's how you're handling it in such a petulant way.
Shog came in here to do just that; I wasn't discussing it at all until he came in here to talk down to me
seriously.
If it's not the right place to do it, feel free to tell the moderators
It was fine in here until that
I didn't even mention it
yea, this isn't that game
You tell me not to talk about it in here, great, but shog is the one who came in here to talk about it
19:42
🍋
also, once again, limes are inferior lemons.
why is there no lime emoji
@ndugger no, we're saying don't be so aggressive in here about it
Is this an ok column name for my database? AllowOptionForDonorToChooseToPayProcessingFee?
now, after you have been overtly aggressive about it, we're asking you to move along
19:43
Its a big label but its explicit.
@KevinB I wonder if you can use a skin tone modifier on it?
Why are you camel-casing database columns
ew
mongodb?
shoot I missed all the action
19:49
@KevinB no. MySQL
@BenFortune What do you want me to use?
@MadaraUchiha exactly
someone link me to the post
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Q: Chat moderation: don't threaten, just do

Shog9Once again, there's a small hullabaloo in chat started by someone threatening someone else with... Moderation. That doesn't work very well. As a general rule, folks don't like threats. So if someone's already upset / angry / disruptive... Threatening them isn't likely to make them less upset / ...

allow_donor_processing_fee
Relevant comments were already purged, but we have the meta comment archive now
purge this
19:50
ohh this is good
just excellent
@BenFortune and why not camel case?
because it's weird
stop being weird
user image
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@BenFortune
his melty face always reminds me of this
19:53
@rlemon I chuckled
I love that comic so much
@OvieTrix what was this in reply to?
I'm afraid to post my meta Q here, because you're all gonna downvote it out of spite
Yeah let's keep this train rollin
y not upvote it for the lols
19:57
Well, that went from positive 4 to negative 1 real fast... coincidence?
Definitely not
it was -1 before you said anything here
Not for me
It's all over the place man
we should have a "controversial" indicator like on reddit
It was +4 when I dooted
19:58
Anyone else listen to a song on repeat for like hours?
not in a long time
@Shog9 don't appease him, come on
@ndugger I upvoted
but i used to back in vanilla wow while farmin those green ap potions in winterspring for hours at a time
@forresthopkinsa If my memory serves me right, @badgercat did some fun comment analysis like that
19:59
I really don't have the time. It was a mistake to even get into this. Y'all are on your own.
oof deleted
love it
@BenFortune where is she in our time of need
Censored again by the moderators, because we can't have descent

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