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Didn't know of this stackshare site
cool stuff
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A: Which tools and technologies are used to build the Stack Exchange Network?

markusCore Stack Overflow uses a WISC stack via BizSpark (We Graduated!): Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2017 x64 Web Server IIS 10 Database SQL Server 2017 running Microsoft Windows Server 2012 R1 x64 Language C# Software Development Tools IDE Visual Studio 2017 Framework Microsoft A...

grrrr
Grrrr?
is microsoft still paying them?
or can they not be assed at this point
@KevinB no, opposite. It's like going from a console to a leapfrog
22:03
I'm grring at how difficult it is to install stuff on Windows
Oh, yes..... At least the new powershell is a bit better than the old cmd prompt which in my opinion was trash
@rlemon lol so uses wordpress
why not
it's popular, mostly stable, and well supported.
why not use wordpress?
for a blog, it makes sense.
for a business site.. yea no
22:05
I wasn't saying it didn't make some sense, but still
I press install on git. Does it install? No.
like you can't be bothered to make a tool that fits your need...
"bothered"?
Announcing our migration to the wordpress platform, just so even more of the internet can live there
why bother when one exists
22:05
why would you waste time reinventing the wheel
they are in the business of Q&A and advertising. not making blogs
JaVaScRiPt
sorry
you spelled it wrong
smh
idk even know how to explain it
why not use cold fusion?
because your position doesn't make sense
22:06
I mean it's a tool and it's there
if the most popular blogging platform in the world was written in CF, I'm sure they would have
@rlemon Ooof I did
I doubt they even self host it
wordpress hosts for a fee
I wonder if any other major tech companies use wordpress
because obviously they should be?
In some form or another, most likely do
22:08
like Google should totally use it
TechCrunch.
The New Yorker.
BBC America.
Bloomberg Professional.
The Official Star Wars Blog.
Variety.
Sony Music.
MTV News.
Quick google search
Sigh
lmao, wow, the new yorker smh
22:09
we don't use it anymore
oh, wait, we do, cuz a third party runs a site for us so therefore by proxy we use wordpress
we have a wordpress blog
The problem with Wordpress is its limiting
it's the easiest solution. it's stable, and it's "fast enough" for what it's used for
What isn't limiting?
22:10
word press uses word press lmao
@KevinB Well writing your own html,js,css, server side is much less limiting
Ya they do of course they do.
well, no
that requires time
and knowledge
22:11
i would argue that is far more limiting
it requires resources
wordpress has a huge community
Which is why it has a place but shouldn't and can't be used everywhere
It depends on what you want to do
I'm not a wordpress fanboy, just like I'm not fan of jQuery. but there is a time and place for both.
22:11
Obviously you can't make youtube with WP
and I understand that.
Jquery is amazing
a company using wordpress for a blog.. well that makes sense.
no matter what you say I'll think it's hilarious that SO uses word press given it's nature and place in the community
@rlemon what's wrong with jQuery?
22:12
Actually I guess when you think about it it's really not that amazing
i mean, they use jquery too
user8729657
  passSubtotal() {
    return {
      subtotal: this.state.subtotal
    };
  }
it's almost as if they're using tools that are meant to solve problems they have, or had
user8729657
does this look right?
Just a wrapper around a ton of basic JS functions
22:12
@KevinB but that is less surprising
that's a much bigger discussion. but suffice to say, jQuery is no longer needed. it's a resource waste. It also has questionable api choices.
@rlemon "questionable api choices" so does most API's I think
@rlemon Example of "questionable API choices"
please
but if you want an abstraction for a large team to conform too with lots of docs and community. jQuery is not a bad choice.
@rlemon I think that might be one of the reasons I laughed when I saw WP for SO...
22:13
however I'd rather use a framework with some real IoC in that case..
There is blogging software and forums etc written for coldfusion
because of course there is
@rlemon And it makes certain things easier IMO. But I will agree that its more of a quick fix then a long term solution (due to the resource waste)
none of it compares to wordpress or phpbb tho
ewwwww why does web storm look like shit in windows
yep, why not just use phpmyadmin if you have a site like SO, it would work, wouldn't it?
22:14
@JBis I'm not unaware of jQuery. I've been at this a while. I've used it. most of my customer facing software uses it
no need to get dirty with real sql
I still don't think if someone starts a project today they should use it
what does phpmyadmin have to do with this?
what does love got to do with this, got to do with this
@rlemon do you recommend just using standard JS like doc.getElbyId or do you recomend some other API/library
22:15
depends on what you're doing.
I use phpMyAdmin. I don't love it but it gets the job done.
yep, makes sense, but why doesn't SO use it I wonder?
I mean they could totally do it
And I don't understand why phpMyAdmin has so many security problems
like its really not that difficult imo they aren't doing much
@rlemon Do you know of any good libraries similar to JQuery (excluding large frameworks like Angular/react/vue/etc)
it would probably work good enough that no one would even notice
22:17
@scitronboy for what?
jQuery is a dom abstraction with a kitchen sink of utilities.
@rlemon Just for small websites
for what purpose though?
lol, that's not making it any more specific.
Like websites that I would normally use Jquery for but you say Jquery is BAD
jQuery is used on like 60% of the web or more
22:18
use mootools, everyone should use mootools
that's not specific at all 😛
Lol I just need a framework for my website
do you though?
It needs to be JavaScript
SalesForce, I heard that exists
22:19
well, think about it. What does jquery give you that you don't already have?
SO should start using SalesForce
go away
And it needs to work on webbrowsers
lol
Someone care to explain this to me? npm is bundled with node. Node is installed. npm is not recognized as a command.
@KevinB what do you have against SalesForce? Why wouldn't it work for SO. it gets the job done
22:19
incorrect path
nom isn't a command
@DavidKamer You're interrupting a conversation with useless remarks that have no purpose
you're young. it's a personal site.. I'd use vanilla
be useful or go somewhere else
you can learn any framework you want.. but you should probably spend some time learning how to do things without libs and frameworks. honestly it makes things go a bit easier when stuff doesn't work as expected.
22:20
I apologize for offending you and didn't realize you were the sole director of the conversational path in this room.
@KevinB What should my path be?
@rlemon Did you actually look at my profile? Do you literally mean "You're young"?
and you've got time n your hands.
@scitronboy ofc I did.
and I looked at your website.
albeit not for long
BTW if you did look at my profile scitronboy.com isn't the site I want JQuery for
@JBis for a command to be recognized, it has to be in a location that is specified in the path. windows i assume?
22:22
I've been using it for a different website I'm building. Basically I've just been using it for simple tasks like AJAX posts and adding classes and other stuff that would be easy to do with vanilla
jQuery isn't terrible, but I think the vanilla dom library is easier to use
So maybe I should get rid of JQuery and use vanilla
@KevinB Yes windows. And same on Unix. But I would expect Node to be smart enough to installed it in a path in the default PATH
@scitronboy what did you use for that site? I like it.
22:23
@JBis Yeah but you are talking about windows
I use NVM, i don't know what the other installer does
@JBis For scitronboy.com?
nvm for windows seems to handle it fine
@JBis is something like that Node's fault though?
@scitronboy yes
@DavidKamer Yes. Or windows fault. Just don't blame me ;)
@scitronboy I would recommend then you learn new vanilla. and if you're concerned about support learn webpack and babel. there isn't much point is trying to hide from build tools
they are going to be required at some point in your career
I hide from build tools like babel.
@JBis exactly, have you heard of POSIX?
@DavidKamer Yep.
babel is just a general compiler. if you don't want it to touch much of your code, tell it not too
or rather, tell it only what you want it to touch
22:26
there's a pretty standard interface for operating systems and windows doesn't seem to gaf about that
@JBis For my site I used bootstrap with modified Start Bootstrap - Grayscale Bootstrap Theme (startbootstrap.com) and my custom CSS
I still think SO should use phpmyadmin for all of it's SQL btw
even though I've never used it lol
it's garbage
although I wouldn't be surprised if they used something like pgadmin
yeah, I was only kidding, but it kind of communicates why I didn't think they'd use something like WP... It's just not hard to make these tools to your exact needs w/o something like WP, but maybe it just helps avoid lack of direction or something odd like that. or maybe it's a corporate deal
22:30
ok here are the files how do I hook them up so I can type the command easily
C:\Program Files\nodejs\node.exe
well, no, it's not easy to create a UI backend that is as easy to use as wordpress is
C:\Program Files\nodejs\node_modules\npm\bin\npm-cli.ks
the front end, yes, that's easy
just put shit on a page
yea wordpress's biggest advantage is literally anyone can use it to publish content
no programming knowledge required.
DEL C:/*.*
22:32
the WYSIWYG isn't perfect. but it isn't terrible.
a dashboard and permissions?
and the plugins are in the millions.
@rlemon Yeah but everything gonna be limited
I guess*
@JBis so what? everything you make is going to be limited.
if it does the job for letting anyone in the company publish a text post with maybe a couple images. it's doing a good job
You're free to create your own wordpress plugins/modifications to add whatever missing feature you think is limiting you
22:33
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@RK Please don't post unformatted code - hit Ctrl+K before sending, use up-arrow to edit messages, and see the faq. For posting large code blocks, use a paste site like gist.github.com, hastebin.com, pastie.org or a demo site like jsbin.com
dashboard -> post -> db (or file storage with db metadata) -> get -> blog
R K
R K
Sure.
Is this a valid class for ASP.NET MVC models:

public class Cart
        {
            [Key]
            public int RecordID { get; set; }
            public string CartID { get; set; }
            public int ItemID { get; set; }
            public int Count { get; set; }
            public System.DateTime DateCreated { get; set; }
            public virtual Item item { get; set; }
        }
if you want to make you own blog from scratch, or use a static generator that gives you full control.. sure. you're not their target audience. but if you want something super easy to use with lots of support and backing.. well wordpress isn't a bad choice. as much as I despise the software myself. My company uses it, I just don't touch it. and that's the entire point.
@RK wrong room
R K
R K
Yes. No one there in MVC .. I'm sorry
well then wait. or ask in the c# room
don't pick random other rooms
22:36
@rlemon yep, sounds about the same as how I view it. Maybe SO isn't as big of a company as I thought.
R K
R K
Sure. Thanks anyway
i very much dislike wordpress, but if someone outside of my team wants to run a blog that we host, i'm not building that myself, hell no
^ this
i have better things to work on
and I'm not formatting posts from MS word to html
22:37
oh yeah, definitely lol
wordpress lets the marketing team publish anything they want and have full control of the service
As a person working at startups I agree 100%
I'd rather find a prebuilt theme for Jekyll and quickly set it up than use wordpress
yes, and just like I said.. you are not the target market
Markdown is extremely easy to learn, even for non-programmers
22:38
the only other software I've used that was as easy as wordpress was ghost.
@rlemon maybe. I'd use it though for a really small company. I just though SO wasn't their target audience. That's all I was trying to say.
problem was it was 1/100th as capable and with much less support
that's really all I have to say about it
They did the whole self made blog in the past
but like I said at the start. SO is about making Q&A and advertising (jobs).
why would they put any money into making a blog when one exists that will serve their needs
22:39
they did tho
lol
I should prob stop using phpMyAdmin tbh. For some reason my server drops connection 1/10 of the time/
^I love it
Two humans just left the room
And a compiler just joined
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@KevinB and they still use wordpress (if they do, that's a third party site). so that would indicate they still see value there that they are not willing to invest
22:40
@KevinB What does the :toilet: mean
How do you use emoji in here?
they do now, i assume because they found it not worth the time maintaining the one they built
@scitronboy he does it as a secret code to alert his CIA handler
they had a, uh, blog post about it
heh
22:41
:happy:
i just type :toilet:
and press space
:toilet:
Why don't markdown emojis work in here
you don't have the magic extension
22:42
I just linked you the extension
Did you copy and paste the toilet from an emoji site?
install it. type the text, hit space to activate.
♿️
It's kind of funny that you type it out so often
22:43
🍍🍕
My toilet looks weird.
probably breaking some record for the number of times a person has typed toilet
🍑💨
I should add tab complete suggestions...
🤔
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stop
I should stop spamming the JS chat with broken toilets
HAMMERTIME!
22:44
looks like you beat kevins life work
lol
Time to find a new legacy @kevin
is there a downvote emoji
:kevinb:
⬇️
I need to redo the list and add chevrons
:dorito:
wait, you don't have that chat through an irc channel?
animals
so mad. My path just reset.
can't do it in the free version
can't you use the wsl
22:48
Gotta go do homework. I wish it was JS homework. :sad-face:
"how did you fix that windows problem again?" "installed linux"
Yeah but I need to be able to define binary for webstorm
Isn't that why you set your path via a script/batch file so you don't have to manually do it every time?
why are you using webstorm?
this is my first time doing it
@DavidKamer its a good IDE?
22:50
perfectly fine to use it, just wondering if there is a good reason
eh, let me rephrase, what does it actually do for you?
Github stuff
and other stuff
but that's irrelevant
vscode and atom are really good at that
Either way I need npm and node installed
and I adjusted my PATH but it still doesn't work
but idk how webstorm works, so the point might be moot and you probably can use whatever tooling you want with wsl and webstorm
I know this is an X Y problem but I just need the npm and the node command to work
22:53
Where did you change your path @JBis? If you edited it in the environmental variables in the system config in Windows, you have to close and reopen your existing command prompt windows to get the new value.
Webstorm will work if those do
it used to be just changing the environmetnal variables
I assume you've already done that
that's all it still is
you might have to restart
restarting webstorm should be enough
22:55
PATH=C:\Users\joshuabrown3\WebstormProjects\quick_download\node_modules\.bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application;C:\Program Files (x86)\Parallels\Parallels Tools\Applications;C:\Windows\s
ystem32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Windows\System32\OpenSSH\;C:\Users\joshuabrown3\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps;
entire OS doesn't need a restart
Ignore Webstorm
its irrelevant right now
i don't see node in that list
keep in mind there are two path variables
one for your local account, one for the whole computer
that looks like the local one
I have an entry in the global for /program files/nodejs
I added it but its not showing up
which in my case is a symlinked folder due to nvm
22:59
yay it works!
@KevinB Restarted program and it worked
🍺
10/10 windows search. Query: "WebSt" Top result: "Camera"
i get merriam-webster
Limitation of non activating windows? ;)
so, uh, heh, windows search (aka bing) doesn't default to safe search
and as far as i can tell there's no way to turn it on
23:09
Someone should make a crossplatform dev toolkit installer tool. You click what you need and it installs its.
already exists
called?
ninite or somethin
yep. guess I am not that original lol
Ok we now have node,npm, electron, and web storm working
Yay the app works too!
Thanks for help.
23:47
I saw your message and I was like, hmm, that sounds interesting
and I started to type in "ninite" and when I got to the second letter, Chrome autosuggested the website because I bookmarked it like seven years ago lol

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