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22:00
@Shog9 I think a minimal kick log for room owners would be nice to have on a tab in the rooms info page.
@Shog9 I see. We were actually discussing it, and we came to the conclusion that if anything were to stir up after the kick, the freeze should come in to cool people off (mind my magnificent wordplay)
like we have last messages for a user, we could have last k icks for a room.
that would be helpful, even if it was RO-only
who kicked who, link to the transcript for the block the kick occurred
more helpful if everyone could see it, but I see the potential problems.
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22:00
I have what I think is an interesting question for @towc. What do you think is more important, life as an Individual or as a society? I ask because of the whole "I'm happy and don't need money or a job" statement in tandem with the globalized market statement
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I'm seeing a contradiction but it might just be me.
@Luggage @Loktar @hilli_micha @FélixGagnon-Grenier @ssube @KendallFrey thingiverse.com/thing:1147252 by far the most useful thing I've printed so far. works freaking great. πŸ‘ recommended
... toothpaste is not really expensive...
that's not the problem being solved.
no! you lose the satisfaction of running it along the edge of the shelf to push all the paste to the tip
22:04
I never worried about getting the last bit, but my gf thinks its important
Hey, anyone knowlege of oAuth? I'm implementing for Google, but while it works, it show's the "wrong" consent screen. It shows "Login with Google" as title and "continue to <redirect domain>" instead of the specified in the console
@ssube makes things much cleaner and neater
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@FlorianMargaine that's useful for a lot more than toothpaste. Like things that are expensive (RTV, locktite, epoxy)
having a beard prevents it from ever being neat
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I need one in the garage.
22:05
having the tube roll up nice with no waste and everything is tidy is so satisfying.
no mangled end of the roll sitting on the counter top
I printed mine in black, but I will probably print a afew more for family in pretty colours
@Kimmax are you sure you're sending people to the correct URL, with all the arguments/tokens needed?
@ssube if I got everything correctly the first step would be to get the authorization token, so yeah, I think so
@rlemon the satisfaction part is the best isn't it
I feel like I need it
I personally am a roller. I try to roll the end up until I get to the very last bit. not for the cost savings, just because I enjoy it.
so this thing is like a mechanical way of doing that, and I can 3d print it
win/win
@ssube Dont actually login: `https://accounts.google.com/o/oauth2/auth?scope=https://www.googleapis.com/auth/userinfo.profile https://www.googleapis.com/auth/userinfo.email&redirect_uri=xyz.com&response_type=code&client_id=616027744289-na7moh20mc5amt5hcp9rvii4c80eel9f.apps.googleusercontent.com`
That would be the first request, right?
darn
22:10
I'm meticulously clean about many things. Toothpaste, small towels, the contents of closets and drawers are all excluded.
@Kimmax just one backtic
but I'll probably print one anyway :D
Contents of drawers
That is something I can relate to
the salad tong are real springy too
PLA works fine for that
100% infill
but my cutlery doesn't fit :P, so I'll have to adjust that model
Uh I have a tough choice to make
22:11
no it's easy
buy a 3d printer.
@ssube it's formating the links: paste.debian.net/hidden/4f077ff4 (sorry :D )
Do I buy a really really good knife, or do I buy a pool table cue
knife
if you buy a knife, you can whittle a cue
it's a possibility you never thought of
I'm literally 50/50 on this one. I have an ok knife, but I dont have my own pool table cue
@rlemon true :P
what knife do you have
22:13
set of cheap knives, then stab the billiard balls with 'em
@KamilSolecki reasonable (freeze / timeout)
@rlemon it wouldn't hurt anything, but I kinda feel it's unnecessary
getting kicked generally shouldn't be a big deal
@rlemon a somewhat big regular steel knife, and a smaller steel knife
@Shog9 yea I'm just being lazy. we talked about implementing something similar because of the traffic we see in here. it's nice (as a room owner) to see who is causing troubles outside of your timezone
@Shog9 that's not really something we (ROs) can control, though. There are users who feel like it is.
if youre in the UK, a cue
knives are frowned upon there
@ssube I find more kicks helps in that situation
22:15
as well as anything
far be it from me to argue :)
@KamilSolecki solution: get a cheaper but nice knife and sharpening stone, and get a cue
@rlemon yea I want to get a stone as well
cheap but good steel + sharpening stones will save you a lot of cash in the long run
even an expensive knife is crappy once you've chipped up the edge
expensive knives get crappy faster if you don't take care of them
22:16
is my edc
@ssube To be clear, I'm not saying some folks don't / can't / shouldn't react badly to getting kicked... More, if someone's acting badly, kick 'em & move on - either they stop acting badly (no need for a history) or they return and continue (more kicks) - either way, you don't need the history beyond the moment.
I don't hone my often enough
it's heavy, but sharp and takes an edge well
hone every time you wash it. It's easy, and saves a lot of time sharpening later.
@Shog9 I'm on board, and I wish that always worked as advertised.
22:17
(mods do have a history of kicks, but that's more for the "got kicked repeatedly, suspend so ROs can stop kicking" use-case)
@rlemon I suspect it might be illegal in Canada
There are people who always take the kick personally, by choice, and try to fan the flames.
yea I need a good strope every now and then, sharpen it once in a blue moon.
@tereΕ‘ko and why is that?
which can, as you said, be easily solved by kicking again
it's not triggered or above length limits.
22:18
they have been actively banning all sorts of bladed things
pocket knives will always be a grey area. it's upto the cop to determine if it's a weapon or a tool.
(some HEMA channels I subscribe to have been venting about it for couple years now)
it's within all legal limits as a tool. no weapon is fine.
how do we feel about sharpening steel vs stones vs other methods?
so if I'm carrying it and not being shady, I'm fine.
22:19
Canucks don't need knives, they rely on their razor wit to cut
I have both the steel dowel and a small stone somewhere
@ssube sharpening steel - like the bars with diamond chips embedded?
those are... Emergency-use only
they leave a terrible edge
@ssube stones are just so easy and cheap
well, not just sharpening, tbh
and leave a great edge
22:20
honing steel is a good thing to keep handy.
the steel I have isn't for sharpening, just straightening the existing edge
amazon is your best friend here. get a set for $30, never look back
ooooh opera has support for the chromecast. You just need to tick a box in the settings! Neat!
all chrome skins can cast :)
Oh, I was considering a cooking knife @rlemon
22:21
@ssube a leather strop is good for fixing a edge if it's only minor (any time, before or after a sharpen)
@KamilSolecki ohh. πŸ˜›
@ssube I used to get kinda angry at opera because I couldn't see the "Cast..." option
had just never looked into it until now
so yeah, opera is still great :D
@rlemon I should get one of those. I have one of these‌​.
I have a shitty set of stones. still does the job.
@ssube that's not a sharpening steel. that's a honing rod. it doesn't actually sharpen the blade.
yep
22:22
what I need to figure out is how to sharpen my chisels on the grinding wheel.
I've seen it done on youtube, and they show excellent results. I've only failed horribly on cheap chisels
honing those knives makes such a difference, they all have a decent edge still, I just don't hone them often enough
I use the same stones for chisels as for knives. But, I don't do enough woodworking to need it often.
do the pros hone their blades before each use? or after cleaning? or...?
quick sharpen, sure. but when you need to grind down material. I'd prefer a power tool.
@ssube I use the same thing. A good tiny grain stones are quite expensive tho
22:24
had a few chisels chip and would be nice to grind them down and fix it
Why does the chat not load when I'm on vpn
@rlemon get a belt grinder
I really want one.
I have a small pocket knife stone, those are cheap. I don't think you need an especially fancy one
but I have no space for it right now
22:25
although I might be able to take them to the store
there's some manufacturer sharpening deal
did you ever watch Forged in Fire?
yup
@ssube do you know any good( free for limited time) CA?
fun show
letsencrypt
22:25
made a couple knives myself in very shitty DIY forge and using a belt sander as a grinder
@AsafFisher you were trying to be a CA, right? Or do you just need certs?
for the latter, what Luggage said
best part of that show is the segment where they go to their home shops and you get to see 'em work without the insane time / material constraints
CA has a server?
I don't have much need for knives in my day-to-day
my problem is mostly I had to choose with my space. woodshop or metal shop.
I choose a woodshop.
22:26
Like can I pretend to be a CA like I faked the DNS request?
You don't have to pretend to be a CA
you can make a CA cert, it's just that nobody will trust you (by default)
i'll trust you
Yah lol
<3
if you're doing something honest, where you control the clients, you can install it and everything works
everything*
22:28
Ik ik but do you know any trusted companies that give free trials for CA
most companies have a CA somewhere, AD is one, Exchange might be
you can't just sign up to be a CA
No I want to intervention in client side
@AsafFisher It's not clear what you really want.
ohh, so you are doing a mitm thing?
the original question from earlier, iirc, was DNS redirection
22:29
if you can install a new CA on the client, you can generate a CA cert, then sign any other cert you want at the proxy
Yah and now after the redirection I get the red pop up(my certs are self signed)
that's commonly (ab)used by nanny tools
But that’s client invervenaion
you should be able to install the root of your CA on the clients
Isn’t it easier to just buy trusted very?
22:30
we told you. you need to install your cert as a trusted root cert
you can't just buy a CA cert
Ok one sec
Let’s say I have a website (my own regular one)
one you generate is equally real once you install it on the client
And I setup the https server with certs that I certified with a known CA
Got from a known CA*
is it public?
22:32
What public?
The CA? Yah
the site, so i can see the cert
Yah
Not
What?
ok, so you have a server, and a real certificate from a real CA
yah
Can’t I just use this certificate for my attack?
And pretend it’s google?
22:33
that certificate has your website's domain name in it
so, no
But the domain name is google
Oh
Ohhhh
a real CA would not have given you a google cert.
@HatterisMad so I actually took the dirt sprint car around the nordschleife. fuck me lol
Lol
Ok I understand now how the certs are protected
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@KendallFrey bahahahaha, did it like to spin out to the left and understeer like a fuck to the right?
22:35
you got it
So what is the other option to fake CA?
I managed to lap under 10 minutes somehow
How do I make a client trust without malicious code
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and i suppose there is no way to control what sides of the car have brake calipers and stagger and that kinds of things?
You don't need to fake a CA, you just need to create one
22:36
I could drop it significantly if I could make it turn right
when you create the CA root, you'll get a public key, which you can install on the client
@ssube but creating one won’t mean ppl will trust it
correct
@HatterisMad There's quite a bit of controls, but I doubt they have the range to make a decent balanced car
who are these users you are fooling?
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22:36
@KendallFrey does the car spin out to the left when you lock the brakes?
Know how does one hacker make a client trust a CA
idk, i tried not to lock up
Send them the root certificate in the mail with a card containing a polite note
it did pull left under braking
and at every other point
22:37
I don't know how hackers do it. I only know how to do it legitimately
hackers wear a lot of makeup and type two-to-a-keyboard
I do it via group policy at work.
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@KendallFrey in a realistic racing scenario, we lock the brakes up right before we hit the cushion so the car rotates hard to the left and shifts weight to the right rear
@ssube πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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and drag the brakes coming off the turn to minimize wheelspin
22:38
you actually use the brakes in normal racing?
I was just lifting into corners
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jesus fucking christ, you are kidding right?!
Ok if I look at smtp req from wireshark the email address is not encrypted right?
brakes just turn perfectly good gasoline into waste heat
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we get the brake rotors hot enough that they actually crack and fall into pieces during races or when they are in the pits after the race
22:39
just putting it sideways worked for me
Anyway a target needs to be detected ahead of time
Anyone use the srcset-loader with webpack?
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@KendallFrey thats lots of wasted speed
smtp can be encrypted or not. you can do both on the same port
I can imagine on a longer track maybe
user2620028
22:39
you can stay on the gas and lock the brakes up at the same time to get the car to rotate
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shorter track
@HatterisMad I'm not used to trying that, hmm
I am loading an image in some different sizes, for some reason it is only making the file for the last size, then in the srcset it shows that all 3 different sizes are the same image
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longer tracks you do much less rotation
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22:40
@KendallFrey you don't have a brake on the right rear, you gas the fuck out of it and lock the brakes up and it should do 360's
@rlemon fuck this is good
I had Gran Turismo 3 for the PS2. I tried doing the endurance races, but would always doze off and wake up to my car grinding into the wall.
Can route share CA with clients?
Maybev
?*
No. go find a hacker chat room
@Shmiddty how long were said races?
22:41
I’m doing it for education purposes lol
@Shmiddty the newer Project Cars has real length endurance races :(
lol I renember gt3
wheelie glitch
Make sure you tell them that.
There are no hacker chat rooms /:
like, I'm not spending 24 hours in front of the xbox to drive a chumpcar
22:42
c++ is basicaly a hacker room rite?
@ssube it actually has that in singleplayer?
there are, you just have to be a hacker to find them
you have to be a CA
@ssube LMAO
22:42
@KendallFrey I mean, I've never done one, but I think so?
iRacing does endurance but for team racing (driver swaps)
it's an option
@KendallFrey 30+ minutes
oh I've done that before
Mitm attacks then are not really easy or common right?
22:43
@ShrekOverflow So uh, our admins can't log in atm because they have too many permissions and it's throwing a JWT too large error. We are right on the edge, so if we disable a single permission then they can log in... Is there any way to increase the size limit?
@AsafFisher depends
it's very easy and common on public wifis.
@FlorianMargaine on?
@david are you putting the entire profile in the JWT ?
brb btw!
@FlorianMargaine how? DNS poisoning is not rly an option... proxy then?
@AsafFisher being on the same LAN = seeing all the packets
22:45
Assuming I have full access to router and all it’s traffic
he's trying to get unsuspecting clients to trust his google.com.
But packets are encrypted
Like the content
Not the packets
we don't have a flag for 'script kiddie'. What do we do? kick?
22:46
@Luggage sorry?
yeah, that one is a bit harder
go for it
google especially is working hard at preventing that
e.g. BREACH is probably not even an option
Breach as of client malicious code?
Sorry not familiar with Breach
@ShrekOverflow just an array of their permissions
and their roles
not the entire profile
22:49
So DNS poisoning is out of the question?
We told you how to do it legitimately, and aren't interested in helping with anything that isn't.
Gocha πŸ‘ sorry for bothering you guys
You helped a lot anyway πŸ‘Œ
BREACH (a backronym: Browser Reconnaissance and Exfiltration via Adaptive Compression of Hypertext) is a security exploit against HTTPS when using HTTP compression. BREACH is built based on the CRIME security exploit. BREACH was announced at the August 2013 Black Hat conference by security researchers Angelo Prado, Neal Harris and Yoel Gluck. == Details == While the CRIME attack was presented as a general attack that could work effectively against a large number of protocols, only exploits against SPDY request compression and TLS compression were demonstrated and largely mitigated in browsers and...
no problem :100::100::crying-face-skin-tone-69:
😒 🚚
23:15
I wanna be as good as these black hats :/ and go to their conferences
s/h/c/ and all you have to do is trip a lot of people
literally be above the law
black cats have conferences?
every night in the alley
23:18
@ssube ;-)
@ssube under the ladders and mirrors right?
@SterlingArcher I'm talking about actual cats, not witches
there actually is a neighborhood cat around here, maybe a few. We even saw a deer once, hanging out in somebody's yard across the street.
thrice i saw a squirrel
23:27
the one and only thing I hate about living in the city are the squirrels
qhat
squirrels are the best
there's a 4' oak tree about 4' from my desk-window and omg. They sit in it, screeching at the cat, then run across the roof.
daddy
the other night I was taking the trash out and one was in the garbage can, flew out like a jack when I came up
it's just a shame city squirrels aren't edible
you'd hit that
eat. I meant eat.
23:43
fuck I need to use matlab for this assignment
I watched justice league on the plane
superman's face was as ridiculous as I was told
the best part of the movie
was when martha said clark called louis the thirstiest woman he's ever met
I was kinda disappointed in aquaman, but barry allen was good

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