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12:33 AM
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2:52 PM
@MylesGray Eih, for audio there's no real need. You're not transferring a high enough frequency to get significant crosstalk. And the resistance drop will be minimal. Talk to anyone with a degree in EE...
 
@ircmaxell It's not the frequency it is the fact they are running next to mains power cables etc from the amplifiers
As you crank up the power output you are much more prone to interference and cross-talk
 
@MylesGray Only if you do parellel runs. Do one flip and that goes away...
 
@ircmaxell The runs need to be parallel (under the floor to the back of the room etc - joisting doesn't really allow for loops)
That is if I understand what you mean by flip is loop the cable
 
Not loop, cross them
 
So just cross the +ve and -ve to kill it?
 
2:59 PM
no, turn the cable
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So just make sure the phasing cancels each other out?
 
kind of.
that's why RJ45 is twisted in pairs
to reduce crosstalk
 
Oh yeah I knew that - just never thought to apply it to the larger scale
 
grats @MylesGray
I remember way back when you only had 300 rep!
 
The cables I was running had 2x twisted pairs inside them anyway to help kill interference, What is that weird teflon ropey stuff they put in the cables?
its usually braided around the wire sheath
@Loktar thank you sir :D
 
3:03 PM
shielding i believe
 
and you too, not that long ago
 
heh yeah im still a bit low :P
 
I know it's shielding but how does it help kill cross-talk?
 
Ive never seen that on twisted pair, only on speaker wires, and a few coax cables
 
@Loktar Im talking about speaker wire, Its twisted pair speaker wire
 
3:04 PM
ooooh lol
well i should learn to read.
i was thinking network cabling :P
 
The teflon is there to protect the wires from crushing
nothing to do with shielding...
 
There it is: chord.co.uk/…
 
you lie @ircmaxell
 
almost frogot the name of it
 
Shielding is usually a piece of aluminum wrapped around the pair
 
3:05 PM
everything to do with shielding
PHYSICAL shielding!
 
I do?
 
hahaha
 
Well, fair enough
 
heh im just being dumb
 
but not electrical shielding
There can be no doubting the importance of high frequency effective shielding. <- true, but high frequency in electrical terms means in the tens of megahertz and higher. The 30 to 60 khz of an audio signal is not high frequency, and doesn't require that much shielding...
 
3:08 PM
@ircmaxell Oh I understand that if you are transmitting up to 30KHz you don't need shielding but once you amplify the signal at 30KHz yo do - just noticed your edit, very true
 
no
amplitude has nothing to do with shielding or crosstalk
 
sounds all Spanish to me
 
@IvoWetzel Move 'em somewhere more appropriate then :P
 
@ircmaxell Their troughs and peaks line up and the resultant wave will have amplitude A = A1 + A2. This is known as constructive interference
granted this is wave in a physical medium but the same will apply to electrics
 
Right, but that's not dependent upon amplitude, it's present in all cases
 
3:18 PM
But the bigger the amplitude the bigger the interference, as interference (regardless on amplitude size will compound or diminish itself)
So The larger the coinciding amplitudes the larger the interference wave given off by those combined amplitudes is
Ao phasing etc comes into play,
 
Right, but noise ratio stays constant
since it's relative to amplitude
 
Noise ratio in relation to amplitude?
ah yes!
 
as amp goes up, so does noise, but the sig/noise ratio remains constant (due to the wires at least)
 
I see where you are coming from now
Ah yes very true, I never thought of the relation between signal and noise
 
Well, it's impossible to have 0 noise
shielding just bumps the sig/noise ratio
but the thing is, once you get past a certain sig/noise ratio, you're not going to be able to tell the difference in terms of audio frequencies
In ethernet, sure, since your signals are 500mhz
 
3:22 PM
Yes that's true hence your comment on diminishing returns, but it is the same as everything; Ferrari F430 200mph car - ~£130K
Bugatti Veyron 252mph - £1.2m
diminishing returns are present everywhere, however I am getting off topic
 
what about opening a room for this stuff? :P
So I can haz movings of your messagez
 
Ethernet though as you say is a whole different kettle of fish what with new CAT8 etc
 
Well, different story, since you don't choose between them based upon top speed... (but top speed is limited by drag, which increases to the square of speed)
 
@MylesGray You're a room owner now.
What? I moved 2 messages!
1 message moved from Tech rant
@IvoWetzel LOL
 
bah
 
3:30 PM
76 messages moved from Tech rant
If someone is owner of this room, please move those messages back to Tech Rant.
 
3:46 PM
Yes?
 
@ircmaxell are you an owner of this room?
 
4:26 PM
:kitten help
 
:kitten help
:kitten quote
:kitten wisdom nick craver
 
burp
 
4:42 PM
:kitten quote
 
:kitten unban Nyuszika7H
 
:kitten rchern
 
:kitten ban ircmaxell
 
Congratulations ircmaxell you have been rewarded with the [BANNED]-Badge.
 
4:44 PM
ah it works
Guess I'll test the unban later this year
 
@IvoWetzel Hehehe :p
 
:kitten unban ircmaxell
 
:kitten ban
 
How much did you pay them for that ircmaxell? Whatever consider your self lucky... this time...
 
Hmmm, ban should get the banlist, right?
 
4:45 PM
:kitten bans
 
sigh
!kitten ban ircmaxell
 
Congratulations ircmaxell you have been rewarded with the [BANNED]-Badge.
 
LOL! You can ban yourself!
 
:kitten say sigh
@ircmaxell and can you unban yourself?
 
!kitten unban ircmaxell
 
4:46 PM
Kitten doesn't like yu ircmaxell!
 
nope
 
Shouldn't this kitten stuff being tested go in the Sandbox? o.O
 
:kitten unban ircmaxell
@Shaz yes it should
go to sandbox
 
!kitten unban ircmaxell
 
How much did you pay them for that ircmaxell? Whatever consider your self lucky... this time...
 
4:48 PM
30 messages moved from JavaScript
 
burp
 
:kitten quote
 
> "Most good programmers do programming not because they expect to get paid or get adulation by the public, but because it is fun to program." - Linus Torvalds
 
Good quote
 
burp <- man, what did I eat today
 
4:58 PM
:kitten quote ubuntu
 
Never heard anything quoteworthy about that.
 
:kitten quote jquery
 
!kitten quote fubar
 
@CodingKitten Are you broken?
 
5:18 PM
@MylesGray for different layouts without hacks that works cross browser your question check out sticky footers
 
maybe google image search is just being weird
 
@MylesGray I back in 2004....) talk stupid wordz! don't see why Chrome and Safari wraps text with the WHATWG working group who now mainly operate under the W3C pseudonym, and are broken in part, I started to work
@ircmaxell see, you serve XHTML if the again..
 
@MylesGray For 5 years...
 
@MylesGray Ahh gotcha, you have to look very far back in the near future
 
wow cool :)
oh dear jesus the kitten is talking without being talked to
 
5:19 PM
years
 
@MylesGray they are people out the obvious, if I'm wrong, but isn't that makes them spam is a random word :D
 
Coding kitten is replying on its own now?
 
@IvoWetzel I usually leave the tables into smaller ones?!?
 
gets scared and leaves in fear of @CodingKitten
 
@ircmaxell Do you just remove the ones that look stupid out of context or the job
 
5:20 PM
8(
 
@Shaz XHTML is awesome! Always love it
 
ah broken
 
@CodingKitten chances of @ircmaxell doing a reverse pekka AGAIn today?
 
burp
 
@CodingKitten Don't break again :(
 
5:21 PM
@IvoWetzel I Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. wasn't aware there were a lot of difference between PSN purchases or homebrew. I don't usually play games over PSN purchases or homebrew. I don't usually play games over PSN but I do buy stuff from the WHATWG working group broke off from when I was in Brazil came up... Nice...
 
stupid thing
 
Homebrew rocks @CodingKitten! i didn't know you were into that!
 
Now it's comparing PSN and moonshine?
or homebrew hacks
 
What have we become
 
@CodingKitten pi
 
5:23 PM
Kitten, don't spam
 
:kitten eval Math.PI
 
Huh? What's a "eval Math.PI" supposed to be? If you can't type you should reconsider your profession, what about writing the next Harry Potter? Can't get any worse with that...
Huh? What's a "spam" supposed to be? If you can't type you should reconsider your profession, what about writing the next Harry Potter? Can't get any worse with that...
 
!kitten spam
 
:kitten ? spam
 
!kitten nospam
 
5:23 PM
Huh? What's a "nospam" supposed to be? If you can't type you should reconsider your profession, what about writing the next Harry Potter? Can't get any worse with that...
Hold on a second, googling that for you... "spam did you mean horrible typo?" There you go!
 
wtf
 
:kitten help
 
@CodingKitten What are you're thoughts on Zynga?
 
broken logic was broken
 
!kitten think spam Sure! I'll start spamming the room right away!
 
5:24 PM
spam? Sounds interesting, gonna write that down, yes on real paper, and no, papers's not edible.
 
kitten needs more logic
 
@IvoWetzel I google image search is just being weird that is the framework this is built on? remember it from my machine which is a killer.. this numbers do increase like a lot on the average computer
 
ah now it works
 
!kitten wisdom Ivo Wetzel
 
use spaces
 
5:27 PM
:kitten join room 1
 
burp
 
burp also
 
48 messages moved from JavaScript
 
burp again
 
@MylesGray It's just :kitten join 1.
 
5:31 PM
:kitten think spam
 
:kitten reply 388903
:kitten reply MylesGray Hello
 
5:48 PM
A quick JavaScript quiz
Post answers like this:
1. "foo"
2. ERROR
3. 25234
4. NaN
Use Ctrl+K to format your text with fixed font.
For strings, you can use single quotes or double quotes, it doesn't matter.
If you think that something causes an error, type ERROR as answer.
You can't use the console. It's cheating.
@Matt @CodingKitten @MylesGray @IvoWetzel @Shaz Ready?
 
user1385191
if this quiz is another typeof quiz, I'm bringing up the rear
 
It's not a typeof quiz. Type the answer exactly.
 
go for it
 
1. /\//
 
user1385191
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to answer
 
5:54 PM
@MattMcDonald just type the result
 
the answer to number 1:
 
user1385191
it's a regex pattern that's looking for a forward slash
 
@MattMcDonald Correct!
2. '\'\'test\'\''
 
jackal?
 
@MylesGray nope
 
5:55 PM
hello world
 
@tangentstorm Hi.
Hmm, I think I should open a room for that.
 
user1385191
well that string throws an error at character 4 because it isn't encapsulated in a string
 
I don't suppose any of you have an invite to the careers site? :)
 
@MattMcDonald nope
 
@tangentstorm I have 3
 
5:57 PM
Think you could spare one? :)
 
ofc :)
I need your full name and email for it though
 
No, it doesn't throw an error. It returns a string.
 
user1385191
oh wait I've seen this in php to escape strings
 
Sure. michal.wallace@gmail.com [ michal wallace ] Thanks so much!
mutant tractor, huh? :)
 
@tangentstorm thats the one :)
@tangentstorm sent ;)
 
5:59 PM
@Myles Gray thanks!
 
no problemo
 
@tangentstorm aosentuhsaoenuht
 
user1385191
yeah that's a string that's escaped twice then has a value of "test", isn't it?
 
Is it smart enough to highlight your name, with the space in it?
 
@tangentstorm awesome site - cool looking shooter game?
@tangentstorm It pings me it you just do @Myles ;)
 
6:01 PM
@MylesGray well thank you! it's some concept art for an android clone of an ancient atari game called River Raid
 
user1385191
hm, next quiz question?
 
burp
 
@MattMcDonald Yeah, but with two apostrophes, not a single double quote.
@MattMcDonald I think I'll open a separate room for that.
 
user1385191
oh ok
 
6:18 PM
blurp
 
7:02 PM
nob
 
 
4 hours later…
10:38 PM
nob == NoBurp (similar to NOP)...
 

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