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10:06
@Loktar have you heard of our lord and saviour vue? If you like mobx and react, vue is basically a more coherent version of that, with added benefits
10:26
@towc and hookers?
why do you constantly woo vue? @towc
in this case I genuinely feel like he may benefit a lot
I'm putting it in as an opinion, and he can choose whether to look more into it or not
hoi
Has someone mabe a little explenation how I can do this? If i have a website with : scrip.js and I go to the Chrome Inspector, to sources and navigate to the file script.js and I make a change, can I run it in there?
@Duikboot you can save local changes
So just 'CMD+ S', in that editor?
10:34
and if you're running from your filesystem, you can set up the devtools to change the actual file
@Duikboot I think it's slightly more complicated than that. Google "save local changes chrome devtools"
So If I refresh now? >> It's gone :D
anyone with some understanding of the halting problem
in the proof, why do I need to run the machine with itself as input
I don't think it's absolutely needed, but the machine itself is an example that produces a problem
10:41
I doubt it would say that if it wasn't needed
there can be small variations to that machine, and the proof still works just fine
function halts(func) {
  // Insert code here that returns "true" if "func" halts and "false" otherwise.
}

function deceiver() {
  if(halts(deceiver))
    while(true) { }
}
interesting
so halts(deceiver) never halts if it halts
not confusing at all :P
this snippet is a billion times more understandable that the "math" proof
and note that you could do some normal logic that you know doesn't halt before that if, so they don't have to be the same
but in the simplest case scenario, without introducing new classes of machines, you can make the input be itself
this snippet shows it fine and it doesn't even have a second input at all
it should be:
10:47
I guess it should be
function halts(func, str) {
  // Insert code here that returns "true" if "func" halts and "false" otherwise.
}
function deceiver( x ) {
  if( halts( x ) ){
    while( true ) {}
  }
}
function deceiver(str) {
  if(halts(deceiver, str))
    while(true) { }
}
oh nope nvm
also, that
and what happens if I then run deceiver('derp')
I think you're looking at it the wrong way
10:50
and then halts(deceiver, 'derp')
it still results in the same contradiction
nvm that is the right way of looking at it
hmm
something is missing
oh
hmm
the construction in the formal proof is actually
function deceiver(str) {
  if(halts(str, str))
    while(true) { }
}
hi
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in that case you do need to call it with itself
and I just defined it as something that inherently calls halts with itself as the first argument
10:54
How to write data to a file at particular position in node js?
@KLP there is an answer in SO. stackoverflow.com/a/10368255/4826457
@towc You got me
Thanks suraj and Florian.
I have 1 question is it possible to perform file write inside a forloop?
11:15
@towc Did you check mail ?
how do I know it's you?
how many more do you want ?
anyway, yeah, go for 1k runs every so often
oh no, it's not a matter of how many :P
but dw
I believe you
I feel like I am being cyber bullied XD
maybe
11:18
1k feets or metres ?
it's feet
is there something like kilofeets?
minecraft is fun
hmm could be
anna answers cheppadi
11:19
KilloFeet = 1000 feet ?
@KLP ?
cheppadi?
cheppandi?
cheppandi = telgu
cheppandi=tell me
meters
it's telugu
11:21
and what would yepandi means?
anna= dear brother
@FlyingGambit hey, pig?
really ?
ye = hey. pandi = pig
I think it is two words ye pandi
11:22
oh gawd I should stop using it
we can split pandi to pan and di
@CaptainHere I think anna means brother , not dear
amma = mother
@littlepootis how to say , tell me more ?
@FlyingGambit elder brother
@FlyingGambit say what?
"tell me more" in telgu
and now I am curious , what do u call younger brother ?
@FlyingGambit telugu
11:25
@FlyingGambit Depends on who you're talking to.
of the same age ? no respect
There are hundreds of ways to convey that.
@FlyingGambit Inka cheppu
Quite tough XD
All Indian languages are tough,
What I hate about telugu is the number of dialects it's got.
how did you learn it ?
11:30
Mee Andhariki naa subhakhanshalu...
@FlyingGambit It's my first language.
@KLP Google translation says .... I do not have any good luck ????
@littlepootis Seems like you were smarter when you were a baby
subha = good, akhanshalu = wishes
Nobody really uses words like these anymore.
lol lol are you calling him old ?
Daya chesi mi peru cheppagalara?
11:36
Last time I heard someone speak like that, Hyderabad was in AP.
am I doing this wrong?
For me Google said .. "Do you have a chat?"
I am thrilled, I like decoding things XD
Stop, Roborace. One can only get so erect.
11:40
"Could you please tell me your name?"
lol how would u type little pootis in telugu XD
@FlyingGambit my pic is of "Mee Andhariki naa subhakhanshalu..."
miru chaala andhamga unnaru.....
welp, it's getting creepy now
!!urban pootis
11:43
@FlyingGambit Pootis A [meme] from the Heavy in Valve game Team Fortress 2, edited from the line "Put dispenser here." Basically a version of [PINGAS], used in [YouTube Poop] videos.
Poop videos are not what you think they are.
@FlorianMargaine @rlemon @Loktar Ich bin ein Freitag!
Tod zu den Kartoffeln
1 message moved to friendly bin
@FlyingGambit You're better than that
11:57
Will try harder XD
hi, is possible to get a stacktrace (as text) or just a line number of caller function. In Chromium.
@FlorianMargaine wooohoo happy friday cc @KendallFrey @rlemon
oh shit I have the extension now I don't have to manually make links lol
@towc if you had experience with react/mobx maybe I'd take what you say seriously :p
I've used react mobx before
I don't have major experience, but still
Woah, the Zoom slider thingie on my keyboard scrolls the view in VS Code
@towc so how can you say vue is more coherent?
and with benefits....
12:09
mobx is view agnostic, afai can tell
besides reading some randoms blog posts
vue works... with vue
and it knows it's vue, so it can do more
yeah mobx can be used with anything
"can do more"?
well, it may not be what you want, but vue has a lot more things in it. It was just to say that vue isn't just react+mobx
vue is old, fuck vue
12:11
oh and sorry, that last "it can do more" is because it can do it more efficiently and with the same philosphy in mind
also not going down the road of having to do things the "vue" way
I quite like my ability to drop things in/out easily
plus having a company like Facebook back something like react is huge honestly
it's easier to do with vue than with react :P
what is easier?
just drop things in and out easily
it's easier to partially use vue than to partially use react
I mean honestly if you had decent react experience I'd take what you said more seriously on the subject
but you found your shiny library (vue) and are trying to push it randomly it seems
I've worked with react (daily) since 2013 on very large scale mulitmillion dollar applications, not saying I shouldn't mess with vue, but I hate the pretentious nature of your comments 😋
12:14
I've used react in production more than I've used vue for anything, if that makes you feel better
just saying I would trust the recommendation of someone who has proven their knowledge/ability with said technology like @Luggage we have similar use cases (from what I gather anyway)
all I am really saying is that if you like the direction of react+mobx, I think you should consider vue
I don't build toy applications (unfortunately)
so I can't just jump on the band wagon based on feelings
well, you are using javascript after all
eh I just see vue dying out in the future faster than react honestly
I haven't seen many jobs looking for people with "vue" experience
but react is huge
12:17
I shared my opinion. If you disregard it because of valid arguments about the language, then sure
> Vue was created by Evan You after working for Google on AngularJS. He later summed up his thought process, "I figured, what if I could just extract the part that I really liked about Angular and build something really lightweight without all the extra concepts involved?"[9]
there are no good parts in Angular! 😋
because vue is new af. Did you see many react jobs when react started existing?
@towc I'm just being argumentative today, but really it was the way you worded your recommendation
@towc vue is from 2014
it's not that new
well, it's only getting heat since last year
Vue is nothing new. Go look at knockout.js for a similar way of making templates
12:18
I've been hearing about vue for quite a long time
it even does the whole "you write html, it grabs it, uses it as a template and make new html" thing
have you guys heard about monkberry ?? I've never used it, but I like the name and it kinda looks like ejs. :D
so I keep pushing it
haha what a name
alright off to get coffee, be back in a bit
also, @KendallFrey @Loktar @FlorianMargaine http://rebecca.blackfriday/
woohoo
12:20
WOOOO!!!!!
wooooooooooooo
towc after 3 years of knockout, 1.5 years of react, 2 years of Razor, 3 years of cold fusion, 1 year of JSF, vue doesn't feel new. it's just a collection of other ideas. It looks nice to me (but I've neve used it for real) but it's not magic.
neither is react.
well sure, it's a mashup of previous frameworks/libraries, but it's a really really good one if you ask me
vue is dumb and bad
life was simpler with jQuery
12:25
Don't listen to ndugger.
2
@ndugger what's your actual criticism?
I already gave my real criticism
can you elaborate?
We already had this discussion a few days ago
So no
Just give up; we don't like vue
s/discussion/meme/
Impress us with your clean easy to read vue code (from a real world use). That's the easiest way to convert me.
12:29
partyin partyin
YEA!
her look at the last second is like "halp"
Agreed. You making points and then us making counter points is unproductive. Right now, it's one newbie developer's word against multiple experienced devs
that's why I made it into a gif
12:30
!!learn plshelp <>https://i.sstatic.net/OYHWU.gif
morning everyone
@rlemon Command plshelp learned
@KendallFrey her face says "someone please help me, I have been captured"
I think it should be the !!party command
ironically obviously
!!giphy why not both?
I mean...
porque no los dos?
!!learn partying <>https://i.sstatic.net/OYHWU.gif
@KendallFrey Command party already exists
@KendallFrey Command partying learned
!!info party
12:31
@KendallFrey Command party, created by Patsy Issa on Thu, 29 May 2014 08:25:41 GMT
!!party
hahahaha
donde esta la biblioteca?
12:34
Google images has disappointed me. I can't find an image of someone wearing a USB cable as a texas tie.
El gato es gordo
I don't know any spanish, so find someone else to help you find the library and help your cat lose weight
@Luggage My llamo @rlemon la arachna discotecha
Tu madre es casa gordo
My lama, rlemon, the spider disco?
12:37
Si
your mom is house-fat?
big as a house?
well i can't trust that 'si' as I'm pretty sure it wasn't a spider disco..
ah. disco spider. That's reasonable.
12:41
@Luggage If it's any help, it's called a bolo
He's Jehovah's most secret witness
Secret witness man
Only until Chevy Chase got mad and fat and then left
but that freed them up to make rick and morty
thanks, Chevy
12:49
captcha
you didn't solve the captcha right you are a robot
13:12
hehe
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13:28
@Luggage why do you forward that to Meredith ?
@regulars (and maybe madara) what can I do with poor (but marked as answer) answers?
Downvote and comment, offer up your own
btw, for who was interested in my cv, check the star wall
@Zirak I wished you worked with me, I could vent about all my locking problems
multithreading is hard
@FlorianMargaine aaaawww
hug
@towc I know that it is empty, so I won't check
13:42
stab
consume flesh
😛
@Zirak not too salty?
I love you too karel
eh florian. It's surely a pain in the butt if a co-worker messes up your code, creating locking issues
13:43
@FlorianMargaine eh, I've had better horses
So my roommate sleep walked last night, came into my room, scared my gf (he has no idea he did this), said "I have to pee." then he picked up one of my boots, placed it on my bed next to me, looked around for like 10 seconds and left
We thought he was shitfaced drunk, I was losing my shit "hey buddy, need something?"
you have a roommate?
You are weird because you have that roommate.
In his defense he sleep walks when he's shitfaced
@KarelG I'm the one creating locking issues
in my defense, distributed systems are hard
13:46
Well, that depends.
I have attended distributed systems courses at my engineering studies
@SterlingArcher What a lush.
that ofc helps me
:D
I thought he was drunk when he opened my door (luckily I had clothes on), and he texted me this morning "Dude i think i sleep walked last night, I passed out at 12, but my fitbit said I was up and about at 1am"
but the problem is ... I'm the only one of this workplace that has knowledge in that
@KarelG I didn't attend any course
13:47
Which made everything make sense. Steph thought he was going to murder us lol
so they come to me while ... it's not part of my job
Youtube died.
Amazon bought whole foods?
what
@SterlingArcher Now they can expand their self checkout grocery store.
@SterlingArcher I remember someone had drank a lot and when he went to his home, he was moving around for two hours around his house until he arrived it. His tracking app was still active. You can clearly see him wandering around on most streets until he stood still at his house
13:49
Ah that's rightttt
like if he couldn't find his home ;D
@KarelG I've never seen anybody sleep walk before
you can gently direct them away
My brother did that once, he got lost in college on his birthday and we found him asleep in the middle of the road with a gallon of apple juice
that heart attack myth is a myth
13:52
Good morning guys and gals
what is you guys' opinion on using object rest/spread with props on a component?
export default function Thing({ label, ...props }) {
  return (
    <Something label={label} {...props}>
      {/* more stuff */}
    </Something>
  );
}
Something like that
@corvid I don't know anything technically about it, but it looks nice.
Basically, the ...props in the args is everything in the passed-in props not including label as an object, so rest/spreading it is adding those additional arbitrary properties to Something

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