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17:01
@rlemon if I don't care about wifi, is there a reason not to get the old pi zero?
the other specs seem similar
any other better way to achive this jsfiddle.net/066ccs3x/2 ?
nvm, I do want bluetooth, so there isn't really a point
@rlemon ugh I hate that
17:06
@SterlingArcher rlemon is afk: i.imgur.com/w1Qybnx.jpg
Am curious what techs you guys use for P2P?
@ssube Bluetooth
@SterlingArcher did it wrinkle your brain?
@ssube mobile sucks for following transcript messages
I saw a hit and run and had to talk to the cops
that's 2 exciting stories in 24 hours
Did he also receive a dick pic while talking to you?
No but he saw my pocket knife that I forgot about and I was omg do you want to take it off my belt? And he said "nah, just do me a solid and don't stab me"
17:17
do you usually wear knives?
Yes, my knife is my greatest tool
..second greatest
"I'm Jordan, here's my business stab"
@FlorianMargaine Happy Friday
still no internet here but tethered to my phone for Friday at least :p
that's like.. the worst nightmare
17:19
yeah sucks man
most people don't have power around us
Do you live in like a remote area
i'd have killed myself by now
we at least have that, just no internet
@jake not really just had a crazy windstorm
wind speeds up to 70mph
oh, that storm we got a few days ago
they are saying we might not get internet until Sunday :/
17:21
this is where you are forced to invent your own internet
@Loktar what region do you live in? Chicago has been having some crazy wind gusts.
@jake Michigan, South Eastern
Jason built the internet in a CAVE. WITH SCRAP METAL. DONT TELL ME YOU CANT DO IT
alright well my PC is downloading shit like crazy so going to disconnect I guess lol
eating through bandwidth,... just used 1gig already
have a good weekend!
17:21
"re-invent the internet" sounds like the slogan of a bad startup
we're the uber of the internet
Reference error 404: reference not found
17:24
omg I just found another possibly amazing business idea
@SterlingArcher You should watch IT Crowd
so, we all know how much do we hate slow internet
and that's a real problem for developers of huge corporations
(and we all know how much huge corporations hate not knowing exactly what all of their employees are doing all the time)
so?
whatever you're about to suggest, Cisco already sells it
what if services were provided at different frequencies across the various bases of the corporations, or even, from certain corporation bases to various cities, in a way that they wouldn't interfere with any of the existing infrastructure and would be used by those specific corporations, so they can also guarantee much better speed to their clients?
17:27
i.imgur.com/iM6Stvg.mp4 nailed it--- huh.
You just killed net neutrality.
basically, getting away from the 802.11 frequency standards and using their own frequency ranges
no compatibility for everyone, but this has its upsides
You're talking about a different wifi?
Gosh the internet sucks.
that's called putting different parts of the office on different wifi channels
and we already do that
17:27
and yeah, cisco probably already does this -_-
it's easy
How much do you know about signal frequencies?
@ssube it's limited
[the infrastructure not the software]
You know you can't just broadcast at whatever frequency you want
17:28
@SterlingArcher I'm technically certified, so not much
@KendallFrey wtf happened to your profile?
12 secs ago, by Kendall Frey
You know you can't just broadcast at whatever frequency you want
it's limited for good reason
@KendallFrey you can still cherrypick and be fine
a very good reason.
@Shrek the picture? gravatar bug
17:28
Broadcast wifi at the same frequency the human body frequents at and kill all humans
oh ok
you need adapting hardware ofc, but corporations can afford that and it may just be worth the cost
@towc no, certain ranges of frequencies are reserved by (I think) the FCC
@KendallFrey certain
@SterlingArcher perhaps you don't understand the body
17:29
Perhaps you don't watch the Flash
#shortsfired
@towc i.e. pretty much every frequency already has an assigned purpose
@SterlingArcher I've never been flashed
plus only some frequencies are useful for data
WAS THAT A PUN FROM THE DICK I SAW LAST NIGHT
too low and it won't have the bandwidth, too high and it won't have range
17:30
and revolutionizing that may just be what certain parts of the economy need right now
@SterlingArcher No, but it can be
I saw a dick last night too
@towc spectrum allocation is the least of our problems
the important part is that it belonged to me
Dude 96% of my brain activity has gravitated towards that penis
@ssube interference, licensing and internal separation of concerns is, though
17:30
It's all I can think about
using a broader variable spectrum may also be a huge improvement in security
@SterlingArcher Have you broken up with Steph yet?
in security?
lol
yes
lol my good morning text to her was "omg im still thinking about that dick"
17:31
encrypt your payloads noob
frequency hopping did make it slightly inconvenient for the nazis to listen during world war two
attackers are going to need to spend quite a bit more time and money to even find a signal
@SterlingArcher I hope you're comfortable with your sexuality
very much so
@towc uh no
17:32
so you wouldn't only hide content, but also presence of activity
it's not the first penis I've seen
in my line of work you come across penises all the time
@KendallFrey your common devices have a quite limited frequency range finder
sure, for 20 bucks you can buy a nice frequency monitor
@towc every play with a software-defined radio?
@towc Why would attackers limit themselves to common devices?
but that's 20 bucks that a lot of skids who just feel like pranking are not ready to spend
17:33
@SterlingArcher phrasing
it's like anti-spam filters
changing frequencies is old tech.
@towc Those people are not what security researchers are concerned about
any serious hacker would breach through via farms and stuff, but just the requirement for slightly more setup brings a lot of noisy people down
@KendallFrey they're an annoyance, and it's not minor, afaik
If frequencies were variable, so would the hardware that uses them, no?
eliminating the solution
17:34
I really want to invent a way to render a signal jammer harmless :(
signal jammer jammer
cosmic rays?
@SterlingArcher shotgun
a cable.
@KendallFrey well, the company would also gain money by changing the frequency range every year and making whatever shop/restaurant that wants to provide ultra-services buy them every year
so the hardware would sitll be frequency-specific
17:35
lol I'm being serious. I've been studying the Two Generals Scenario for weeks now trying to learn all I can and try and "solve" it
I should have said "semi-arbitrary" frequency rather than "variable", probably
@towc But consumer hardware would be variable
For example, a phone
if wifi had variable frequency transmitters, it would have variable frequency receivers
so.. tech from police radios in the 90s
trunk radios
firstly, the phone also spans a quite small (but sure, still quite large, relatively) spectrum, and secondly, only hardware systems sold by the companies would manage to decrypt the frequency
That sounds like an encrypted signal, not a secret frequency
17:38
imgur.com/gallery/srLx0 my god this is the biggest skyrim dump
you use both
There's no such thing as a secret frequency
If radio waves exist, you can detect them.
And the other party needs to know what frequencies you hop to. So either that is sent over the encrypted data channel, or it's pre-determined.
17:39
@Luggage some of the recent stuff in forward secrecy can help with that
and if the company is concerned even more about people who'd find the frequency, then the additional hardware-based decryption system can be used
@towc You can't hide a signal, you can only encrypt it
What's to stop a man in the middle from catching the signal change?
the performance advantage is from corporation-base to restaurant/shop/hotel/tower router "addons"
17:40
@KendallFrey again, it still stops the majority of people who would otherwise try to do something to.. well... do that thing
they just use the same equipment.
Well, not really
and I just hypothesized that it could be a security improvement. My thoughts were mainly about performance
If this is for consumer hardware, it stops nobody.
@Luggage yes, but they'd have to buy it from the company and it would be licensed and all that corporate stuff-ed
17:41
If it's for some industrial, military, whatever application that already exists, it already exists.
so you can get a chinese knockoff that will decrypt it 95% of the time for $25?
@KendallFrey it's for service hardware, again. Only useful/affordable for big malls and hotels
you forget that software defined radio is chepa and widely avaiable.
@towc Do you know how hard it is to build a radio receiver?
or huge towers provided by the company itself for better service
17:42
@towc in all fairness, you should be more worried about those non-majority people
@KendallFrey not very?
untwist a wire coat hanger
@SterlingArcher that's racist.
add some leads
an evening for an amateur
17:43
@SterlingArcher yes. But at least you get rid of "some" of the problem
this is getting really racist really quickly
I LOVE YOU MINORITIES
@towc by introducing new problems
@KendallFrey it wouldn't be a replacement, but an optional improvement
I'm still not sure what it would actually improve
it wouldn't be an improvement, it would be a deprovment
17:45
the mall router would still actually send out stuff at normal frequency, or at least at a frequency that was set by software (through a common normal frequency), reachable by the phone/computer, so that if you use, say, the facebook app, you can use this other "channel" that was super-optimized by facebook all the way through
and no more internet issues for major apps in malls because of separation of concerns/resources using frequencies
so you want everyone to provide dedicated appliances down to the consumer?
why would facebook need to optimize a channel?
data is data
this is where the huge performance boost would probably come from. Even better if you count the fact that the signal, with a good enough infrastructure, is going to come much quicker from the corporate bases to the addon-routers
it kind of sounds like you want to recreate Lambda@Edge
@Luggage performance
17:46
or Greengrass
λ
@towc That just means you're using each frequency at less than capacity, and frequencies are a limited resource
that's a content delivery problem, not a hardware problem, and we've mostly solved it
saying "performance" doesn't explain anything. If you want it optimized you send less data, or better compressed data.
Alternatively, you have multiple low-bandwidth frequencies instead of a single high-bandwidth frequency, which doesn't improve anything.
17:48
@Luggage it would be faster. And a lot of metadata could be shaved off. Well, this would come at a quite big security risk, though :/
I think you are mistaken.
we get more from differnt types of data sharing a channel
Also, there's nothing stopping people from using the facebook frequency for whatever they want
(faster because of no interference that may cause packets to be re-requested, or bottlenecks in the bandwidth of the general-purpose router, or frequency saturation in general)
if you are using more frequences, there is more interference
@KendallFrey yeah, which is why the metadata would still be needed
17:49
still better to have one high-bandwidth channel.
no interference that may cause packets to be re-requested
environmental interference will be equal or worse
bottlenecks in the bandwidth of the general-purpose router
instead you have the bottleneck of special-purpose hardware
You can't just create an infinite number of frequencies
it would still be better than a normal frequency, because people can use internet frequencies for anything as well
frequency saturation in general
becomes worse, because you're splitting the same space much smaller
not counting the cost and reliability issues with that much special-purpose hardware
@ssube ofc you wouldn't pick just a random frequency
17:50
you're suggesting a cable box for every channel
and a cable for every cable box
@ssube sure, and that's better than before anyway
@ssube not necessarily
@ssube it would be up to a company that would provide this service, like cisco, to test it to death
@ssube yes, this, but also more
humanity has been testing this since we started playing with radio
17:52
@towc routers today have 128-256MB of memory, to handle a few clients on the wifi. If you split that up, you'll have maybe 1MB per channel.
that's worse in literally every way
@towc That's more expensive. People don't like expensive things.
@ssube no, because the addon box would not have anything to do with the main router
we do that today with connections, but you can have multiple connections to a site, so you have a large FIFO pool.
the most bandwidth comes from as many all-purpose channels as you can get, spaced out enough that they don't interfere too much with each other.
@KendallFrey corporations do, if the benefit is good enough. I can't say that I'm sure it is, but I would think so
17:53
if you split that into "channels," you get many small and easily exhaustible pools and it becomes an unfairly weighted dist
That awkward case where using github.com/TooTallNate/NodObjC works better than using Electron and Node-Webkit D:
@towc But there is no benefit
Now all I need to finish my <what i thought I'll finish in a single flight> project is to learn Objective C and then learn this interesting version of it :D
any benefit from a dedicated channel can be had instead with QOS settings
17:55
@KendallFrey business-exclusive speed and possibly maybe security
I use QOS heavily at home and it does all those things
the xbox gets unlimited bandwidth and highest priority, netflix gets capped to 480 so comcast doesn't get pissy, etc
@towc You don't get speed, you get less bandwidth
This is like building a highway for green cars, and another for red cars
Do you understand what "band width" actually is?
the way I see it, it's like having 2 routers with the same specs instead of 1, but with no interference whatsoever, and better because of the rest of the transportation mechanism (router-corporation)
17:57
it's how far the drummer sits from the musicians
@towc yeah so you're just multiplying infrastructure, with costs and failure rates
@towc But you can't just use an unlimited number of frequencies
@Luggage and why not? If the various cars want to be in different roads, and with no additional cost on the cars themselves, then this is a good idea
@KendallFrey nor would you need to
anyway, I need to do things
muting pings for a bit
They needs to be spaced out so they don't interfere. And there are only so many possible ones in a range. Yes.. there are infinite frequencies but we agree on the spacing for that range for technical reasons
"The green car road is only half full, but the red car road is jammed"
Each frequency actually is a band of frequencies, and anything that overlaps that band will interfere heavily. Hence the term "bandwidth". The more bandwidth, the more information you can send, and the more space the signal consumes in the radio spectrum.
"Just make 1 two-lane road, and let all cars use it."
packets are like cars
18:00
what if, on that one road, we added some cops and lights that will hold the red cars until the green ones have passed
et viola, QoS
packetization and using general purpose shared connections is what made the internet possible.
Sure, those containers are "overhead / metadata", but they allow efficient uses of the tranport vehicle.
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Luggage's analogies are eating towc for breakfast
nah, just stack all the stuff on the boat, it'll be fine
that's how docker works, just randomly throw shit around
@Luggage privatization of general-purpose is what makes corporations rich. I hate the concept, but it's a market than can be invested in
I never said privatization.
18:12
general-purpose shared connections is arguably the opposite of privatization
something that can be used by "everyone" rather than a "licensed few"
how is it even possible that two European states don't have an international agreement on double taxation
@Zirak I have 4 work screens open I'm always working and dicking off at the same time
@MadaraUchiha ack
HELO
18:41
@SterlingArcher omg still on the dick
app.directive('login', function() {
  return {
    restrict: "A",
    scope: true,
    controller: function($scope, authentication, $state, jwt, $cookies) {
      $scope.user = {};
      $scope.login = function() {
        authentication.login($scope.user)
          .success(function(response, status, headers) {
            var headersObject = headers();
            jwt.set(headersObject.token);
            $scope.errors = null;
            $scope.hasErrors = false;
            $state.go('sms');
(see full text)
Can't figure out why I can access $state.current.name but $state.go does nothing.
@SterlingArcher that's what they get for using Word
What an absolute saint Sir Patrick Stewart is
guys, how to be nice in pull request reviews?
18:53
end every sentence with "sweetie"
Your code makes me want to vomit, sweetie.
Try not to call them arseholes when they fuck up your tests, Dave.
s/Dave/Sweetie/
my comment is "why did you change something that was working to be less functional than it was before?"
18:54
"I don't quite see how this is an improvement. Can you explain?"
@corvid take Linus as inspiration
@Luggage that's a little condescending
@Luggage His defense is "it's simpler", but I want to say "I didn't write the code like I did because I am an idiot, it has a reason to be there..."
is it?
yeah, that "quite"
the whole first part really
"Could you explain this part?" is enough I think
18:56
I don't quite see how that's condescending. Can you explain? :)
j/k
I'm working with someone now
and whenever I say something that isn't clear to him
he just replies with "huh"
in a chat
s/someone/a Sweetie/
I just had the urge to translate this:

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