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22:00
@ssube pretentious pube stash
unless it's a job working for richard stallman
@ssube damnit you're not listening. That CV is shit, I didn't even try to word it, that's the first draft with that structure and I didn't put any effort in listing and wording
lol
@Luggage please, stallman disables js
Yea, he's a nut.
22:01
next draft, try completely the opposite wording
Some of his contributions were great, but he's still a loon.
ok, forget the CV: can you suggest good ways of marketing my ability to use vanilla JS and go through a project without having to rely on certain external resources for the client?
no
from a business standpoint -- the guy who can toss in the 9 tools and get a working UI in a couple days is much more valuable than the guy who insists on forging his own components and then insists on the rest of the team using them because they are superior... not to mention they no longer come with free support and upgrades.
that's not really a good way to approach a project when you're being paid for the time you spend.
it's fine for personal things
22:02
learning all the vanilla crap is fun, rewarding, and makes you understand the libraries better. but it isn't really marketable (in masse)
personal projects should be an art, like building a boat in your basement
tear it down and keep doing it over until it's the prettiest boat ever made, no matter how far from the water it is
!!afk before my beer explodes on me
but at work, that fucker should be floating and little else
I do that with my work, too..
yes, I agree with the fact that it's slow and bad for most companies, I do see the shortcomings, but I'm asking for good things about it that I may not see
22:03
knowing vanilla JS is fine... but this isn't the age of jQuery, who cares if you can select and manipulate some node with vanilla, most likely you're using some libarary anyway to abstract some of that like react
@Loktar knowing obscure DOM APIs is overrated.
It's fun to know them, but from a professional standpoint it's pointless.
I mean it makes you sound cool at the pub don't get me wrong
but yeah exactly ^
You'll run into ones you care about when you solve problems anyway.
there must be something good about it
anybody can look up the DOM API, knowing it isn't cool
22:05
It does make you sound cool at a pub, but then again so does paragliding.
know something interesting and useful
know something unusual, that's what makes you valuable
Understanding why certain things are designed is the way they are is important.
if it's a very high-end company who wants things to be very fast or literally only rely on the code built by their employees, being able to do what I do is undoubtably an advantage
the same ol is only good if you're looking for a wordpress/salesforce spot
although I surely won't get offers from facebook or google from the start
22:05
@towc are you working on mars?
@towc nah, they have real greybeards to write the asm for them
Who doesn't use code built by others today
I coded a function that throttles concurrency of another function with promises today and it worked out of the box on the first try - deployed it to production. I was proud of myself.
and if they don't ugh I wouldn't want to work for them anyway
sounds like gov work, where they don't trust libraries lol
@Loktar facebook has their own everything, don't they?
22:06
I use react and webpack to dry corn
True story
You think they build everything from scratch @towc?
@towc they do, but they also rely heavily on other technologies.
facebook has millions of lines of their own code, out of the billions of lines they use
@ssube ?
22:07
To be fair, they also try to contribute back more, mostly because of their giant effort to overhaul their engineering in the last few years.
yeah and their contributions are awesome
Facebook is a cool place to work at, more than Google for many people - 5 years ago no one wanted to work there.
companies aren't worried about not using libraries, every library is a little risk and a lot of time(/money) saved
I was scouted for a position there, but was disapointed I would have to move to Washington or Cali so turned down the offer.
they might care which ones you use to make sure nobody pulls in something with outstanding CVEs or gets some GPL code infecting the rest of the project
22:08
lol it was 1 month before my house was selling in NE as well and our house in MI was closing
just poor timing overall
kind of odd a company of that size frowns on remote
I know a few people who work there and they're pretty happy.
I don't want to work for a big company, but if I would they'd be in my top 3 choices.
I got a raise at my current job out of it though
went to my boss said look FB is scouting me, I need more money
and it worked in my favor.
so, what y'all think is that I probably shouldn't even mention the skill of building things from scratch, right?
aw man just realised I got trolled on here yesterday
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22:11
@towc on a CV?
I mean, that does give me a good understanding of the inner workings of certain systems and libraries, which is arguably very useful
@BrianJ by who?
@BenjaminGruenbaum ideally
Tell them you built things with Scratch! :P
@towc it doesn't mean that, though, is the problem.
22:12
I posted a link to my Azure wp site before the installer ran...and someone ran through the installer setting lang to Arabic and changing password. So I browse to my wp site and I'm like where is the installer and why is my site in Arabic lol
just realised after uninstalling and re-running the installer
Probably not from here then @BrianJ
dunno who :P
if anything it means you don't understand it well enough, so you feel the need to reinvent things
haha
wtf?
22:13
@BrianJ you posted a link to a fresh WP on the public internet?
that sucks dude
it got picked up by a bot
and your server is probably compromised
yeah I was asking for it lol
lol yeah most likely ^
nuke it and start over
22:13
oh and @BenjaminGruenbaum, a while ago someone pinged you on my behalf. I was going to ask you how much can you earn from being a casual talk giver, and if it's worth it, considering also that you get loads of connections and stuff
@towc if you have skill in relevant tools and can spell things right - you can probably get to the interview stage at which point your CV doesn't matter.
just did nuke it
@rlemon LOL remember that one site we fucked with
we told the guy how to fix it via alerts
lol
man I can't remember the site now even, I think it was a highscore thing
22:14
at least they set up alerts
@BrianJ first thing first do not host WP on Azure, it is a world of pain.
he was deleting our score on the fly
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm mostly going to be looking for remote jobs, so the most the interview will be is likely just a few messages in a chat
it's in the log somewhere
@towc I don't charge for talks, when I consult I charge fairly reasonable rates. You can email be at benji @ tipranks and we can discuss actual numbers - but I can't post those publicly.
@towc a video chat.
22:14
@towc a couple video calls, at least
@BenjaminGruenbaum my only reason is that Azure is next to free and want to move my blog from expensive managed hosting
@BrianJ it's not really, and if you want a small bill, you don't want a cloud like that.
oh, they do that? Well then
First thing I ever made was a game server list. Someone changed the actual server name with some XSS in it, and that's when I learned to sanitize.
yeah but I also want to try out setting up some stuff in Azure..so will pay for itself :)
22:16
@ssube maybe. I don't feel that way, but maybe
@BrianJ I would suggest ovh.com/us/vps or RAMnode, you won't find better prices and neither oversells badly. Most importantly, they don't charge you for bandwidth overages.
@BrianJ WP on Azure is a total garbage. PHP on windows hosting leaks, and Azure "optimizes" it by using threads instead of processes ("fast") which causes it to constantly leak memory and for your servers to restart every few minutes/hours. The MySQL hosting (cleardb) is painfully slow and pretty expensive (so you'll want to pop up a MySQL VM) anyway. The server sometimes stop working, for no apparent reason. On the other hand, doing it in a VM will likely be fine.
What's your site traffic like? @BrianJ
@Luggage tomorrow is on!
After a really weird customs process I made it :D
@BenjaminGruenbaum it's my own personal blog so not that much traffic
maybe I shouldn't set it up there then
found it lol
man that was so long ago
22:18
@Abhishrek where are you staying and when are we meeting up?
@BrianJ do you get more or less than 25k visits? You can get a wpengine plan for 25$ and they automate everything.
the conversation continues on how we screw with him
if it cost me 50 euro yearly I'd be fine with that..because I could use their other services too
@Luggage Crystal City
@BrianJ no, the issue would be the traffic you didn't account for
22:18
If it's an actual blog, just $2 at wordpress.com @BrianJ
it being used as a zombie to launch other attacks, store files, phishing...
@Luggage lets decide the details later today?
@Loktar lol yea.
lol good times man
@towc @BenjaminGruenbaum maybe there is a cheaper option then
looking at Azure it's like 50 euro a month for an app service and db
22:19
anything will be cheaper than azure
Even after they just reduced their prices
if you don't care about bandwidth charges, aws is the goto, digitalocean if you don't mind being blacklisted for being on the same box as spammers
@Loktar o/
@Loktar troll-q-a
if you care about a consistent bill, ovh or ramnode
22:20
Whatever works right
yeah was thinking Digital Ocean
kimsufi is good too
But that's CA or france
DO has a nice control panel
hey @Abhishrek
@Abhishrek i have very little time i fi want a hotel.
22:21
does DO have a WP app?
I know I can FTP the installer but handier :)
@BenFortune I recently replaced all my dedicated/physical stuff with their newish public cloud servers, cut my bill by half for more CPU/less memory, and I used the extra money for monitoring.
@Luggage can you invite me on [email protected]
[hangouts]
@BrianJ I like Azure, we use Azure, do not host your WP on Azure.
lemme call you :p
22:22
@BrianJ yeah
If I could get the same service offered by Azure cheaper on DO and host my blog that would be great..
just bear in mind that with DO, you will be on a node with some spammer or somebody running a port scan on something
and those TPS reports :P
I'm looking into a way of setting fail2ban up to automatically file abuse complaints with them, it's frequent enough
@ssube Nice, is it that crappy hourly rate though?
22:23
@BenFortune nah, mine are monthly. It's like AWS reserved pricing, but with 1 month terms instead of 12/36 month.
I use online.net for work and personal, they're pretty good
you mentioned I can host on Wordpress.com for $2?
@BrianJ yes, wordpress.com
might use that I know wpclone can clone my existing using a link
22:26
if you're not thoroughly comfortable running your own server, application hosting like that is the best option
@BrianJ Also, they have an import button you can use.
until AWS inevitably comes out with the Simple Wordpress Service
I would like to host on a cloud and have other services available to me for dev purposes
although app hosting is cheaper
why not host your blog, which you care about, on app hosting and your other services somewhere else?
heterogenous clouds are not a bad idea if you do it right, you just don't want to be introducing latency all over
I guess my other aim is to set up a REST service so would be nice to have a cloud service for that
might do both
cheap app hosting and a cloud hosting for my dev
22:32
a REST service for what?
Wordpress.com and DigitalOcean
a REST service for facts about turtle facts
jk I know the better option now, thanks
a metaturtle service?
You have now subscribed to turtle facts.
Turtles have a hard shell that protects them like a shield, this upper shell is called a 'carapace'.
22:34
today's turtle fact fact: most turtle facts are about turtles
LOL
Turtles love pizza! Party on dudes!
if I didn't name my servers boring descriptive things, metaturtle would be a great name :(
2meta2turtle
I hope EK don't fuck me
I may or may not be subscribed to reddit.com/r/TurtleFacts
@BenFortune post on reddit with pictures
22:36
Fact 2: Turtles are kind slow n stuff
then even if they try, they'll eat it
seems here I need WP premium to map a custom domain to it
@BrianJ in the wide spectrum of animals, they really arn't
I guess faster than me at 7am
22:37
@BrianJ sure, but you can do a redirect regardless
yeah true
turtles are cool as shit btw. if you ever want a chill pet who is also cool as shit get a turtle (they require care and big tanks)
if you want that fancy branding, you'll have to pay a lil more
I'm wondering if I should even bother paying for a custom domain
I have one already
brianj.github.io not good enough?
22:39
oh yeah
could do that
maybe I don't even need WP, could I export all my posts to a github pages page?
prob wouldn't play well
you could host the entire blog for free on github with jekyll
or w/e it's called
could do
yea, jekyll. that and some comment section third party script and you've got a fully functioning blog
discuss?
how can I import my existing blog posts though?
@rlemon Friend has a tortoise, he puts it in a fridge for hibernation
22:41
@BrianJ read up on it
anyone here doing js consulting? Would I be a candidate for such a thing? What should I do to get closer to that?
I'm like 110% positive someone has written a migration tool
@BenFortune weird.. I wouldn't put it in a fridge. a temp controlled habitat.. but not my fridge
I had turtles growing up, and in the summer I got some for the pond... but I'm pretty sure a hawk or raccoon got them
they just up and vanished
I drained the pond and raked the bottom. no shells. they didn't die in the pond.
so something took them out of it
yeah prob a migrate tool for that and I'd save like 50 bucks for more beer
22:43
Mario is on a budget
I will probably get some more, but then I won't be able to keep them in the pond
too paranoid now
Netting?
takes away from the look of the pond
the birds don't bother the fish because of plant cover. but the turtles sat on top of the plants.
and nets would mean no free bugs for fish food
can you add some tall grass or something for them to hide in, maybe just on one side?
how do turtles do in nature?
survival in numbers
1/10 gets eaten, no biggie
in the case of sea turtles, 1/100 makes it to the water, no biggie
this was mid/late summer
I don't think I can get much more plants in there
er, no, looking at the middle garden that was early summer
22:48
huh, that's a nice pond, I haven't seen that picture
still early summer. the veg garden exploded mid summer and was over grown. and I built a shed in the back right corner
and ofc, planted more grass around the pond.
I thought I had more recent pics but I can't find them
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@rlemon panoramic?
user2620028
looks weird
here is a progress pic of the shed, you can see the beans in the middle garden are over grown
that is later in the summer
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22:51
i see bunny
yea we feed the bunnies, so a family has taken up near us
3-4 bunnies in the yard every morning and night
It looks like it has a weird ear halo
that's the extension cord to the pond
I need to bury it in the spring
to get around regulations I'm not hard wiring it, just encasing the extension cord. don't need to go 18", dont' need a permit if it isn't tied to the fusebox
My summer house lights are just dug under inside a hose pipe haha
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@rlemon how much are permits up there?
22:54
(here) if it is tied to the electrical panel it needs to be regulation cable, in regulation housing, at regulation depth. if I just bury a extension cord and always have it plugged into the side of the house that isn't the case
@HatterisMad couple hundred. not much. but then I need to call them out, get the more expensive cable, and dig much further than I wanted
It will hug the patio slab, which is a good foot thick
so I'm probably only going to bury it 8"
user2620028
@rlemon are you forced to hire someone to do it if it is permitted?
no, but I can't hook it to the electrical system. I can do everything else but need an inspector to look it over and need a licenced electrician to hook it to the system.
same reason I haven't run the 220 to my garage yet
I'm not sure if that is a legal requirement, but it is a requirement of my insurance company
user2620028
yeah... its the same here
sucks. but I kinda understand
user2620028
i would have to say that is why my parents never got permits to do anything
22:59
guy at my work is getting bit in the ass for that
he just sold his home he lived in and did "old school" work in for 40 years

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