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20:00
try to get into the mindset that you're financially independent and this job isn't your lifeblood. makes negotiations a lot less stressful
in this situation, you've got nothing to lose
Yup, It's probably also time to let the CMS die
@lix dude finish it
I need to figure out a route to get a senior development position as fast as possible when i get out
I've been like 12 credits away for almost 10 years
I should have just finished it.
@Loktar I don't think he was questioning it
just wanted a good job after
20:02
@rlemon shut up
Yeah otherwise my CV is going to be Grade D ICT and nothing more for qualifications xD
@Loktar make me browntown
lol
god took you forever to respond
was starting to get awkward for me
trying to get shit working over here
@lix you have experience though right?
20:04
I have work experience just not in programming
@Jhawins can attest to this experience P.E. Trumps everything
ahh not in programming ok
well then that makes a difference
pick an open source project that interests you, start contributing
open source is still experience
to an extent
and no interviews required
hey quick git question can I push half a merge instead of a full merge of branch cause i feel sleepy?
damn
20:05
@misha130 how sleepy?
There's no such thing as half a merge
not so much
A merge is just a commit with more than one parent.
@rlemon Is there a way to just fast track yourself out of the junior developer waste 2 years bug fixing shit code and being a dogs body
git gud?
20:07
There cannot be a fraction of a commit, only a commit that doesn't consist of what it should.
I am resolving conflicts and I have the conflicts on stage and I am commiting all the ones i finish @Kendall
@rlemon heh in response to this...
@ElHoussineTalab, was afk, any thoughts?
I'd just prefer to program all day everyday then be a junior
I'm already grooming the wife
20:07
so I just want to push only the ones I commited
> A new Nintendo system is out in March
> Looks kind of dumb.. but think I'm gonna grab it
@misha130 As separate commits?
> Only $300 way less than the PSVR
> And I sold the PSVR so yea
separate from the rest of the stuff on stage?
yes
@rlemon If your hiring a mid tier developer what are you looking for?
20:08
oh fuck it I'll just finish merging
Is there anything you would consider over company experience that would make you take someone without 2 years in a company
@misha130 So your merge commit results in broken code that is resolved in subsequent commits?
there is no broken code though
user2620028
@Loktar yeah i am basically in the same spot, i have roughly 20 hours left i think. just haven't had the money to finish. going on 7 years now i think
wait you are right there is
20:09
yeah it's annoying :/ @HatterisMad lol
That sounds like a bad idea, but it's not fundamentally wrong
It's mainly about policy
@lix someone who will do the jobs I don't want to do
!!afk Boop
You can have a policy that broken code is allowed at any stage in history, or that broken code may be pushed as long as it's never in the most recent commit, or that broken code is allowed in some branches but not others.
@lix In your mind whats the difference between Junior and Senior?
20:12
Number of monitors
@KendallFrey yea I am not even merging to master
user2620028
@jake honestly IMO this is years of experience and nothing else, both should be capable of doing the same job. it should be easier for one based on experience.
This is obviously UK bias but from what others have said and I've seen a lot of the junior developers don't get given any responsibilities and end up doing stuff that isn't complex meaning you progress slower as a developer
ill just keep at it
@misha130 I personally would never spread a merge over multiple commits, and rarely commit clearly broken code.
20:13
dude its not broken I swear to me mum
I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say "experience" is such an abstract thing. There are so many intangible things that you run into and deal with. Not only in code, but also dealing and co-existing with other developers.
@misha130 Then why do you have to merge it manually?
I am merging design and bug fixes
user2620028
definitely agree, however can you ever really say that experience is a bad thing? and that experience is in some way a function of time
@misha130 You're not merging every single change by hand, are you?
20:15
Like I just want to put a fuck ton of hours into programming so I get better and don't want to end up doing basic stuff that is just a 'grind'
no
just conflicts that were not auto resolved
If you want the fast track, start cranking out open source contributions like others have said.
@misha130 Those are broken code
hold on hold
user2620028
@lix you know you don't necessarily have to do this at a job, you can self learn at home on your own projects
20:15
thats what I am trying to do, to not commit those
Can I please have help with a problem I'm having with Nock? I asked this question on SO:
and only commit the ones I fixed
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Q: Nock is intercepting my request, but my AJAX request is erroring out

KevinI'm testing an AJAX request made using XMLHttpRequest: export default function requestToTest() { const xhr = new XMLHttpRequest(); xhr.open('GET', 'https://example.com/service'); xhr.onload = () => { console.log('onload'); // etc. }; xhr.onerror = () => { console.log('one...

Go get a bunch of pull requests rejected and then self-improve.
I'd like to discuss the question here, too
20:16
Okay
Thanks for your suggestions guys, gunna sort myself out
Make a plan for opensource projects and hit my head against a wall repeatedly
@misha130 You can't just not commit conflicting changes. Otherwise the merge isn't a correct merge, it's a broken merge.
user2620028
probably need to negotiate a wage out of your employer as well, and if they don't want to give you a wage then you need to self assess whether you being there is the best thing for you
By not committing conflicting changes, you really mean choosing either the source or the destination as the resolution to the merge
user2620028
interviews are free you know, go interview until a good job is offered to you
I think I'm gunna drop them
user2620028
20:18
if you drop them without negotiating
user2620028
you give them no chance to throw money at you
user2620028
you also lose out on the experience negotating, which is also good experience
well I finished anyway
user1596138
@lix It's hard to ask for but it's justified... Just because you're 23 doesn't make you worth less. I'm 22 now, took a job in the 80-90K range and moved 600 miles when I was 20. Age means nothing lmao
@lix When I was interviewing for the job I have now, the first think they asked about was how I got the ☕️ to animate: jakeniemiec.io (I haven't touched it in almost a year since I got hired)
user1596138
20:25
All you have to do is con someone into hiring you. I conned @Loktar lol
user1596138
He still doesn't know I outsource everything
Looking back, I have no idea why I keep it up.
Stellaris worth $30?
it's on sale on steam
@Loktar @KendallFrey
haven't played it @rlemon
You asking? because I have no idea
user1596138
20:26
@rlemon Isn't that an Android game for free
I heard it was just a vessel for DLC
it's a space video game.. you both just let me down so hard
user1596138
Auralux
you liar @Jhawins
20:26
I chose master of orion over stellaris when they both came out, not sure i made the right choice
You're the best programmer I've ever worked with
user1596138
My sub-team's standups are at 9:30 that's why I'm always almost late for ours
@Loktar What a tiny team
user2620028
@jake oh you are from chicago?
@Loktar I sent you a g+ rant
20:27
@HatterisMad Yep!
not that you need to read it
Still here
but I felt better after I ranted
user1596138
@KendallFrey Shots fired :crying-laughing-emoji-that-I-dont-know-how-to-make-on-pc-😂:
😆
😂
that's it.
user2620028
20:28
@Loktar would you say that he is the only programmer you have ever worked with?
:joy:
user1596138
@Loktar has more experience than most in this room doesn't he..? I'm definitely not his only colleague..
user2620028
probably
user1596138
Shit. He's the only decade+ one in here I know of
@Jhawins That's because he's older than all of us
combined
20:29
<cough>
user1596138
He is like 30
Can anybody help my with my question?
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Q: Nock is intercepting my request, but my AJAX request is erroring out

KevinI'm testing an AJAX request made using XMLHttpRequest: export default function requestToTest() { const xhr = new XMLHttpRequest(); xhr.open('GET', 'https://example.com/service'); xhr.onload = () => { console.log('onload'); // etc. }; xhr.onerror = () => { console.log('one...

wow, 30, that's old.
<cough>
20:29
I've worked with a lot of devs the difference is rarely any of them care about programming outside of "work"
@Loktar Not according to your pic :P
user1596138
Well to be fair I haven't programmed outside of work in a quarter lol
user1596138
/me starts using quarters for time scale
user1596138
Nvm I guess I have. Pretty much daily... But I just fart around on things I never make anything that survives more than 2 days
I prefer the fortnight
20:31
@Jhawins but you CARE
that's the difference
like maybe not about everything
but quality, ect.
you actually care to make improvements and want to do things the "right" way
or as much as you believe it is the right way in your eyes
That's huge
rarely anyone does that
I mean not talking about people in here
I would assume 90% of us in this chat are like that
@Loktar :looks around nervously...: I mean...
I see "not caring" code all over the place
user2620028
it has been beaten out of everyone
20:33
project management says "internal app", I hear "I feel bad for the next dev"
user1596138
Lol I just want things to make sense objectively
user1596138
Like anyone with an objective mindset should come to the same conclusions as me with the code
user1596138
Probably not the greatest word for what I'm trying to say..
Code is rarely objective
user1596138
It's logical.
20:34
yeah
user1596138
I don't like bullshit built on quirks you remembered from further up the tree lol
@Loktar @SterlingArcher XD
haha
@rlemon How did you like planetary annihilation?
20:48
it was eh
I didn't give it a fair enough go tho
Anyone familiar with SinonJS?
I feel it was one of the most polished updates I've ever played. Of course that was all the way after the cannon update.
Is the ECMA in ES an acronym?
Yes
20:50
yea ^
So why does everyone pronounce it "Ek-mah-script"? Why not "E-SEE-EM-AYY"
user2620028
well, i feel good. i got the work done that was asked of me in two days in a few hours :D
@AndrewLi because it is easier
@jake Thanks ;)
user2620028
20:50
@AndrewLi i have only ever heard it pronounced the second way :/
I always say the latter
ECMAScript sounds weird when you say E C M A Script
Nah
Ek mah sounds like Eggs Mom
user2620028
if you said ecma script i would have no idea what you were talking about ( until now )
that's a stretch
but okay
20:52
(European Computer Manufacturers Association) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecma_International
Yeah
I also don't like that it's formally lowercase (Ecma), not ECMA.
ECMAScript is formally uppercased tmk
Really? I read somewhere they renamed it
"ECMA-262 – ECMAScript (ISO/IEC 16262) (standardised JavaScript)"
20:54
Weird
> Ecma International is an international private (membership-based) non-profit standards organization for information and communication systems.[1] It acquired its current name in 1994, when the European Computer Manufacturers Association (ECMA) changed its name to reflect the organization's global reach and activities. As a consequence, the name is no longer considered an acronym and no longer uses full capitalization.
the standards are still ECMA, but 'Ecma' is no longer an acronym
who's arguing? you literally asked.
Referring to someone who told me it was EcmaScript
@rlemon ecma is european???
cant believe ive been using communist propaganda this whole time
20:57
@Meredith how do you feel about the UK?
commies
well then I hate to break it too you, timmy b-lee is english
Yay communism
Hands down most efficient sprint grooming we've had on this project
We just planned out our entire milestone with very specific details. I'm a monster at this scrum master shits
I don't know who timmy b-lee is
20:59
tim berners-lee
tim berners-lee hortons
@SterlingArcher that would have been outstanding
cc @KendallFrey
Lots of famous scientists come from communist countries
is every country that isn't USA a communist country? just before we continue
21:01
Yes
Burma and Liberia too
So we were watching a Caps/Canadians game and we were trying to figure out all the Canadian ads on the boards. My brother had no idea what Tim Hortons was, and we all discovered that Popeyes in Canada is a supplements chain
Popeyes is supplements and an overpriced gym
and a chicken place
I used to go to popeyes gym before they bombed in our city
got replaced by a Worlds Gym
Globo Gym
> We're better than you, eh, and we know it.
21:04
it's not a bad gym. $10/mo
@SterlingArcher Sorry!
$20/mo if I want to use their tanning beds / water jet massager
but yea, not for me.
whats a water jet massager
$10 basic plan is fine
@Meredith sounds like a sensual bidet
21:05
I have a Gold's Gym membership. Free classes first come first served, pool, etc, for $20/m
@Meredith bed you lay on that shoots high pressure water at your back instead of rollers
WHat bidet isnt sensual
Does it do calves?
whole body
21:05
hmm
@Meredith I reckon it can do any baby animal
they don't work that well I find. better than nothing if you've got a tight back tho
My calves are always tight
21:06
^ mine are still killing me, but last night was triceps. I still can't lift my arms very well
mooooOOOO
Today is plyo.. and my legs still aren't recovered. It's gonna suck.
Last time I did plyo i threw up
But I think the pre-workout makes me naseuous
nasuous
fucking hell
nausious
my pre-workout is a poop and some stretches (not at the same time)
2
nauseus
I swear to god
nauseous
there it is
jordan y
21:08
That word is my kryptonite to spell
without spellcheck
did you stand up and exclaim "Viola!" when you finally spelled it correctly?
no but I did fall off a chair last night because I strained so hard doing tri-dips that I farted and couldn't stop laughing
Just say nauseated
it scared me
A million times easier to spell
user2620028
21:09
one of my old roommates was incredibly ripped, he managed this after like a year of working out. thing is i hardly ever saw him eat food. but he was taking like 15 different things like vitamins, preworkouts postworkouts fat burners protein shakes etc.
ohh man! last night I farted real loud in bed, almost gave myself a heart attack. Holly was visiting her parents and wasn't there. I was lucky
Yeah I do protein shakes. I don't take fat burners or whatever
@SterlingArcher oh my god I know what, this explains everything
You're a dog, @SterlingArcher
@rlemon What a charmed existence you lead.
21:10
Oh please you've never had a surprise fart before?
@KendallFrey my brother when we were kids farted so loud in his sleep he scared the dog and it peed on the floor
um... no?
@rlemon lol
You haven't lived
user2620028
a fart that isn't actually a fart? or one that just sneaks up on you
!!afk backlog grooming
21:11
@HatterisMad Oh I've had the former
user2620028
yeah that would be my experience as well
the only time I wasn't aware I was about to fart was in grade 7 wrestling club. kid slammed me into the ground with a toss and landed on me and I farted loudly... in front of the rest of the school who was watching the 'event' or w/e they called them back then
tournament
Or you could call it a very dense fart
Oh yeah, also this:
TL;Dr?
21:17
<h6>HELLO</h6>
<p>shh</p>
<marquee>meh</marquee>
on the topic of farts, a deaf guy in our class used to let off real rippers without knowing it and people just kind of ignored it after a while..I guess my point is why shouldn't we become more tolerant to farts
@BrianJ He had to know it
user2620028
i remember doing that in gradeschool and getting in trouble with the teacher :(
21:22
well he never made it apparent
because he was deaf. in his mind they're all silent but deadly
@BrianJ He probably didn't realize they made noise
I remember telling myself..don't laugh..don't laugh
probably thought it was a silent one
I guess in theory to him it was
Imagine finding out after 20 years that other people can feel your farts
user6438653
@BenFortune Yeah, I just tested it on a bunch of urls, and if the url doesn't have all the parts it takes ~300ms.
21:23
@KendallFrey what do farts feel like Kendall?
t3ali snap
warm
like a warm farty hug
user6438653
!!@rlemon Can you please unban me? I don't know why I'm banned.
@rlemon Are you talking about hearing? Or something else?
21:24
1 min ago, by Kendall Frey
Imagine finding out after 20 years that other people can feel your farts
@WATERYMEL0N probably because I have a banning problem
haha, farts
@rlemon It's hard to describe hearing
@KendallFrey am I missing something or are you?
you said feel your farts
user6438653
@rlemon I think you do, so many people are banned, from you.
By which I didn't mean with a sense of touch
21:26
@WATERYMEL0N because I maintain the bot, and it is my sockpuppet account. so yes, I do the majority of the cleanup
I remember that time I was banned. Back when rlemon was happy
Although that might be the best analogy to help hearing people understand the bizarreness of it
guy made a video of that computer I posted yesterday
damn that thing is cool
@Loktar for a second I thought you said "guys I made a video of that computer"
got really excited for you for a second
21:28
hah I wish that was mine
that is so cool looking
user6438653
@rlemon I haven't done anything, so why am I banned from using the bot?
you and a few other users were killing the bot from other rooms
I told you all when I banned you what it was for
Anyone here set up a Jenkins pipeline?
what's special about that monitor?
user6438653
I don't recall that.
21:29
it was before your identity change
it's all in the transcript.
user6438653
What room?
user6438653
I have a bad memory, I don't actually remember much, lol. I mean I don't remember much from below 7-11. And I'm 14.
user6438653
@rlemon? What room?
dude, I don't care. you and the handfull of people fucking with the bot from one of those teenage java rooms were all banned and unless the rest of the bot maintainers / RO's in here challenge it I'm not undoing it
you were all warned not to fuck with the bot and did anyways under the preface of "testing, chill bro"
21:34
you're not welcome here anymore
user6438653
@CapricaSix Isn't in Teenage Territory...
user6438653
@towc Why?
(jk, please don't deport me)
user6438653
hahhha
user6438653
I have never been in java, so umm, yeah... I hate java. I love c# and javascript!
user6438653
21:36
Mobile chat is annoying.
user6438653
Sorry grammar mistake. :p
user6438653
I hate java, but love c# and javascript.
user6438653
F java into the ground.
Just opened this book I had on my windowsill for the first time..Gang of our - Design Patterns
absolute gold!
some of the React stuff being done compares to the patterns they discuss
eg, momento
user7039410
!!test
21:39
@winter Das
@winter Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
user7039410
Hi @room.
user7039410
@rlemon Which would you prefer for hosting websites? heroku, github, cloudflare?
user7039410
I see you use github for the rules page.
static site? github.
TIL Neil deGrasse Tyson's rap name
MC Squared
21:48
Need a real machine behind the site? Google is pretty cheap. Maybe not the cheapest, but they have full virtual machines.
user6438653
byby
@winter dedicated server from OVH
user1596138
When all the sites under your "portfolio" are identical CMS generated pages with different colors.....
user2620028
@Jhawins code reusability
user1596138
user1596138
21:57
It was one of the guys in here earlier talking about his work / experience lol
oi

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