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@HatterisMad yeah cuz its meant to be a "smartphone" app
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im not your cuz, guy
@HatterisMad u wouldn't even find it on ipad app store
@HatterisMad what r u, guy
@BenFortune thx man
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mac users, do you all have wine installed?
19:02
wine
no
used it once
its good tho
@ElHoussineTalab Windows 10 has had it
like since the beginning of Win 10
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@Loktar according to the article i linked you could also enable it in windows xp with a sysinternals app
@Loktar @HatterisMad are you talking about this wine: winehq.org - the one mac users use to run windows applications ?
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@ElHoussineTalab yes
@HatterisMad waat really?
That's crazy
I tried them with Win 10 but not a fan personally
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19:06
yeah i remember the windows 10 update. At the time i went.... cool... and never even tried it
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i am not good with keyboard shortcuts. something i should probably work on
tbh i miss windows xp, it was the simplest, most vulnerable os ever
I've never found a use case where the multi desktop feature was useful
to me
'98 was my jam
I enjoyed ME
There, I said it
19:08
@KevinB I use it to organize projects.
i always found myself opening the same browser tabs in each one, kinda defeating the purpose
@KevinB one for text editor and another for browser ?
@rlemon jees!
I work on like 10 things at once, usually have 2-3 of them open on different workspaces so I don't have to bother keeping tabs or w/e organized.
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@KevinB i know people that would definitely use it. They don't fullscreen any windows. they would size each window down to the minimal content possible and position like 10 things on their screen.
@rlemon whats ME?
19:08
@ElHoussineTalab Millennium Edition
i always have two monitors, and always have chat/email open on second
@rlemon 10 things? what ram memory u have?
since multi-desktops don't care about multi monitors i can't really take advantage of it
@KevinB same
multi-desktop (or workspaces) is just one more tool you can use to organize. I'm in favor.
19:09
kingston I think
@KevinB it does in mac, each monitor has its own muti-desktops.. I just love it
If i could, for example, use the multi-desktop feature only on my primary monitor, leaving my secondary having my browser, it'd be great
I keep atom maximized in one worskspace, terminal in another, and then random apps just on the main desktop
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when was the last time anyone had reliability issues with computer hardware brands ( cpu, hdd, ram )
Like, last week
19:10
@Luggage literally me.
my terminal is inside of atom
@HatterisMad me, you wouldnt believe what ram I have now.... :(
[[browser|stacked terminal][editor]] [[browser|stacked terminal][editor]]
[[email|stacked terminal][editor]] [[porn][reddit]]
My 4670k died, bought a 6800k
how I organize my workspaces
19:10
I might use atom's terminal if I was in windows, but I have a good terminal
@KevinB yeah its called terminal-plus, but has its issues
i was using terminal plus, until it broke
@rlemon I like how u keep porn and reddit together alone!
now i'm using a fork of it, haven't gone back
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@BenFortune really! what happened to the proc
19:11
@HatterisMad Had it on 4.7ghz for 2 years, burnt it out lol
overheated. 4670k was the temperature.
@KevinB had this issue where the flashing curson shows up, but nothing works, nor the current directory is shown!
yeah, that was the bug
was caused by an atom update, the fork i use fixed that
I don't have a term in my editor, but I do have an editor in my term
so, same shit right?
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19:12
@BenFortune i just looked up the stock clock speed of that proc... you monster
@rlemon LOL that vim thing again?!
vim is love
VIM
when you have little other choice, it trumps nano
19:13
so nano won the popular vote?
after a while you realise you don't need fancy things
vim trumps even when you have a jetbrains license
I use nano for small edits
@Luggage that is actually probably the case
@towc Fuck that clunky piece of shit
19:14
webstorm?
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webstorm is pretty darn good. It's not vim, ofc
I'd rather use netbeans
@BenFortune yeah but not for writing 30k lines of code, as @rlemon does :/
19:15
!!s/code/corn/
I don't write 30K lines of code. but we have some damn big config files I have to edit
@BenFortune @BenFortune yeah but not for writing 30k lines of corn, as @rlemon does :/ (source)
30k is not nearly as many as he writes
i need to get a new pc, this 4gb memory thing is giving me cancer ...
with what money?
19:16
like 16
oh money, I thought memory
😬 I have to work with 2gb on the target platform
makes things tight
esp because I wanna do lots of fancy UI stuffs
@ElHoussineTalab Can't upgrade RAM in macs?
ummm, 1500$ i guess
@BenFortune lol!
Shit, We have 1GB on our embeded system. That's for the OS and file system.
Back in my day, we made games for the whole world to enjoy with 128 bytes
19:17
@rlemon what kind of platform is ur target?
embedded touch pc
@Trasiva 0_0
@ElHoussineTalab let me rephrase, with who's money?
also, you don't need ram when you have vim ;)
@towc my money!
and the only game you need is tetris-bsd
19:18
@towc does vim compile typescript like atom does? no!
@ElHoussineTalab yes, actually. Probably better
@towc r u srs?
@ElHoussineTalab yup
@towc I'll give it a try
that would save my life + money
neither vim or atom compile typescript.
tsc does.
19:19
@Luggage :!tsc filename
@Luggage yep correct
VIM is very extensible
it does everything
or use an alias for !tsc <currentfile> or whatever the syntax is, so you can use it as a keybinding
I'm not going to go compile individual files through editor commands. I have build scripts fo that.
A good workflow doesn't care what editor the developer uses.
@Luggage you can still call the script from vim :P
19:21
@Luggage was just about to say that, plus the editor does that on the go as u write code
No.
well, maybe, but that's a bad workflow.
you mean "why"?
I run my nodejs tests through vim
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19:21
Hwhy
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i remember a customer sending a broken lcd screen mac to macintosh for repair. they removed the ram from the machine ( it was replaced with non oem ram at some point in time ) and sent the machine back saying they refused to fix it because the ram wasn't the original part.
!!why
@towc because you touch yourself at night
Because if your project needs you to open an editor and save files, you can't automate it. It's bad because it means you don't have proper automation
@HatterisMad anything wrong with that?
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19:23
@HatterisMad If the screen was actually broken... I can't see how this could even be true?
@Luggage what do you mean? You don't have to do it from the editor, but you can
you just call a script through vim
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They won't replace a screen within warranty. And they don't care about modifications out-of-warranty
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@Jhawins huh?
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it wasn't a warranty repair. the customer was paying out of pockets for the repair
I wasn't talking to you. Calling commands through vim does not tie you to vim.
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19:24
Then... Yeah, not real.
@HatterisMad apple stores does not accept to repair any devices that were opened outside their store, maybe thats why
it's just that when I'm using vim, I don't want to switch to another workspace, have 2 terminals when I want enough space for vim, or hopping out of vim every time
brb dinner
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@ElHoussineTalab i am aware of that now, i wasn't aware of that before i sent the damn thing in
yea.. still not arguing that
wish me good luck
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19:24
No way you could pay someone to do a service and they don't because of an unrelated modification? lol
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@Jhawins well they did
@towc good luck eating?
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> I need a procharger installed
> But you have aftermarket tires.... Sorry
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this isn't some story that i pulled out of thin air, it happened to a computer i sent off when i was working at geeksquad
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i actually had to open up the fucking thing and reinstall the ram so i could give it back to the customer
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19:26
Crazy lol
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@Jhawins they don't want them to be fixed. just want to sell new ones
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They don't even limit your ram tho
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I don't understand any of this...
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They encourage upgrading your ram.
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19:26
what do you mean limit?
When was this, and what type of mac?
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I mean they don't frown on someone swapping out ram at any capacity.
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Except on the 2016s lol
well, i can imagine Apple wanting you to buy the overprice Mobil-1 ram through them..
@Jhawins maybe that user used a wrong ram
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19:27
They literally have guides and they tell you the type, not the specific "required" OEM ram
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@Luggage im trying to remember what model it was, i worked at geeksquad back in 2009-2012ish i think?
in electron, is it possible to get the last route in the browsing history? I know it's a security risk in a plain browser, but it shouldn't be in electron, right?
Having an issue with what should be a simple click function, any thoughts? codepen.io/SuperFuentes/pen/VPmwmQ. On iOS devices (from what I can tell) the click function works on the second click only. The first click doesn't do anything.
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@Luggage I don't think they even sell it?
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19:27
my memory is probably wrong but i want to think it was one of the milk white laptop models
back when apple made computers your could add ram to, I think they sold any peripheral..
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Yeah they literally don't even sell Ram.
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Your only option to upgrade would be to follow apple's guide using third party hardware
@SuperTony looking at it
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@Luggage You can swap out Ram on iMacs up to 2016
19:28
It' a crazy soundng story, but Apple has been somewhat "protectionist" about the hardware before..
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There's just a small super easy to access panel. Same with Mac Mini's
yea, and the mac desktops you can, too
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They have guides for every year lol
But who uses a desktop anymore?
19:29
Thank you @ElHoussineTalab
if you pay the extra money for a mac, it's because they make some decent laptops
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@Luggage They have guides for the laptops.
well, my 2013 macbook can't accept more ram.
@SuperTony so when u open it from iOS, the alert shows from the second click?
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2012 and before
19:30
Anyway.. what are you arguing?
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my god
FAKE NEWS!
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That the machine taken to the Apple repair dept. was allowed -and arguably encouraged- to have upgraded Ram..
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So I don't see how it's possible for them to have returned it due to upgraded Ram :/. I am just thinking too much about the simple story tho
19:31
Yea, but who knows what some incompetent tech said.
(not talking about Hatter)
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@Jhawins yeah i wonder if their support department was just feeling like dicks then
No.. I am with you. It sounds preposterous..
brb dinner
@ElHoussineTalab, yes that is correct. On my Mac desktop, in Chrome, for example, the modal shows on first click.
@SuperTony I c
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19:32
or maybe it was a policy change since then
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we don't know if they had a guide on how to upgrade ram back then
I both like and hate apple.
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most likely scenario is that the tech didn't want to work on it
^
it was late on a friday.
@ElHoussineTalab, I tried the jQuery on function, but that does the same thing. I mean this obvious, but that tooltip function is the issue. As soon as I remove it the click function runs fine on first click.
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19:34
@Jhawins iphones that have replaced batteries get bricked if you upgrade to ios9?, they had a lawsuit about it and iirc concluded they did it on purpose. apple is always weird like this
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not the only ones that do that shit though, just feels like they are the most notorious
From your guys experience is it normal to feel very undervalued in comparison to designers as a backend developer on projects?
well, they are the biggest. iphones are still quite common
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@lix Do you work primarily in Node
eh, depends on who you work for. Often designers get a lot of credit because they're the ones who create the things people actually see.
19:36
@SuperTony was suspecting the same
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yeah i feel as though android devices are basically the same too. if you upgrade an old android device to a newer version of android then it becomes damn near unusable in my experience.
@SuperTony just give me a sec, I am experimenting with it
I can imagine that. the front end guys get to show things. there isn't much to "show" from a backend.
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@HatterisMad I have always been very happy to take the perf boost of major updates.
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i transported data yaaay
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19:36
Old phones become snappy again
@Jhawins In this case it's pretty much all php, off topic I know. but yeah at the moment the two designers are getting all this credit and it's like I don't exist
I've seen both. an update improving performance and making it worse.
(not at the same time)
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Tho I usually switch to a new phone pretty much in line with Android's major releases
Whats even worse is that I put double the time in and get shit done on short deadlines and they get the credit
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@Jhawins yeah im talking about if you have a 3 year out of date phone... you typically come to the point where if you upgrade then you cripple yourself
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19:37
@HatterisMad on iOS yes. Because they just add more and more and count on the new hardware
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i meant in both
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On Android not so much... Usually everything is further optimized lol
@Luggage I wouldn't even mind if they were paying me T_T
They aren't paying you?
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i think you just buy nice phones :P
19:38
find a new job.
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As in... They try to improve what exists whereas Apple just takes random shits everywhere in case one is gold.
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@HatterisMad That's true..... My last ones have been the LG G3, V10 and then V20 haha
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I just follow a good brand ;)
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my good brand died :( rip nokia
It's hard because where else as a 23 year old student without a degree yet can I find a job where I made the system and the traffic is above 1m a year
19:39
Moto X 2014, baby.
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I shattered my V20....
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@lix They scammed you. Basically.
well, i assume he does actually get paid..
I took the job originally because I wanted the experience so damm badly and now I feel trapped, like if I walk away there website is fucked
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If they aren't paying you good and you made them all that profit... You let them scam you :/. Know your worth and go somewhere you're valued
19:40
I have never recieved a single pound
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@lix lol block their email and walk away... I did the same thing. I had 10% stake in the company I left
what? why?
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It was a much smaller company...
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@lix man i have gained like 10 :(
I wanted to work on harder problems that only websites with large traffic and more complex problems had
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19:41
You don't owe them anything. You're selling them a service, if the deal isn't attractive to you anymore you can just walk away. No need to feel bad about it
@Jhawins I miss my G3, the G5 is shit
Yeah I'm a moron I know
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@BenFortune lol I got the V20, basically the same as the G5. I fuckin love it... But I broke it
change all the variable names to butts and leave
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19:42
aww, no emoji for butt
@SuperTony I think I got it
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If you're not gaining anything from being there just leave... Unless you are like in love with the bosses daughter or something?
Wouldn't this be terrible interms in terms of references completely removing any credit I could still get?
🍑
close enough
🚬
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19:42
If they give you a dishonest reference it's illegal... Tho that won't stop them haha
:420blazeityolo:
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^ walk through the halls with a joint and forget about it.
start watching porn at work without headphones
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Cut holes between all the bathroom stalls
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At groin level..
19:44
I've considered just using there website as a free backlink to other stuff
tell them it's so you can share your home made bathroom trading card game
though I'm not sure the implications of doing that
@rlemon haha
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@lix And what will that gain you? You need experience, you're not getting it here because the nature of your situation demands you burn the reference. You need money... Not getting it there either.
cc @SterlingArcher
I expect you to do this in 9 days
It's just a massive jump back in experience
19:45
Just go look for another job. Now you have some experience.
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@rlemon Can you imagine if the board went through the windshield and grabbed
How are you not making money? what type of deal is that? Do you get to live in the basement or soemthing?
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@lix No it's just where you are. You're not falling back from anything... It just doesn't count :/
@Jhawins can you imagine the windshield even if he waxed the fuck outta that board?!
ohh, or did you say "intern"?
19:46
I was a terrible developer at the start
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We all were lol
If you are a main dev on a part of the project, that's not appropriate for a unpaid intern position.
I worked fucking crazy hours to build a system
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It's not the place you have yourself listed as the Lead Dev for is it?
No
19:47
@lix This system? getlaces.io
Well yes and no
That system is what I made
the version they have is much bigger
as it had to accomidate for all of there stuff
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@jake lol his pic is on that one
Technically I own there backend
I'm working through a little challenge, https://runkit.com/tjfwalker/587d4ef318e0100013286c68.

At this point, I've a 2D array that still needs to be mutated into a string, the part that's commented out. The `this` reference in the splice method doesn't work. I know I could break that chain into two but that seems messy to me. Someone else suggested I create a structure like
`[{char: 'a', count: <n>}, {char: 'b', count: <n>}, ...]`
However, I don't really see the functional difference between that and what I've created,
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@lix Your information is on the website... Just go out applying for jobs and list them as your previous
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19:48
You can explain to anyone that they were not paying you if they contact them and have questions.
you "own" their backend?
@Jhawins very true
@Luggage Yup all 300k lines of code
I'm not sure about the content but yeah everything that makes anything work
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@lix People don't call references first.. They'll see your resume, follow the link to the site and verify experience. Then they will interview you (or not), THEN they will contact your references. So if you make it to that last part.. Getting past a shit talking previous employer who DID NOT PAY YOU shouldn't be a huge deal haha
@Jhawins The weird part of all of this is I still haven't even finished my degree got 4 months left, but I want to try and get a good job after
Good that you are starting early
19:52
but literally everything I'm looking at looks terrible
Bug fixing or basic website stuff
get a job in PHP or CF
Marketing agencies look like basic sweatshops
@rlemon whats CF?
ColdFusion
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@lix Probably best to finish the degree since you're already invested in it... But it's not necessary at all lol
I went for an internship interview and one of the questions was whats the difference between an implicit and explicit comparision
19:55
jQuery
@Jhawins Yeah, like I don't hate these people I just want some validation or pay for my efforts and it's hard to ask for when your some 23 year old student
shouldn't be
I was asking for pay much younger than 23
I would say look for a good employment agency, you only need to prove yourself once and you get the benefit of their network.
dye your hair pink/green, move to SF, stop wearing socks.
instant hireable
@rlemon The problem was when I started I was really scared I would fail and never setup any form of compensation and was too interested in proving a point
19:58
and now, you can call a meeting and inform them that you're done proving your point, thank them for their time, and tell them that your continued efforts will require X compensation as a minimum
@jake That's a good idea

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