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21:03
M$ are taking the piss... 2 hours I've been fiddling to get Server 2008 running as a VM and NOW it doesn't bloody support IE6 or IE7! and XP won't of course support IE9...
Ab
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why bother...iecss.com/spoon
@MylesGray
@Ab So these will all run on W7?
user492203
@MylesGray IE7 didn't run for me.
Ab
Ab
i have w7 and i'm using
@MylesGray
@Ab Im running Server 2008 R2 ~ Windows 7 does IE6 and 7 work for you?
21:08
@MylesGray dont test IE
user492203
@MylesGray I'm using Windows 7 Home Premium x64. IE6 and IE8 runs, but IE7 doesn't.
@Raynos why not?
Ab
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@MylesGray IE7 wont run
@MylesGray cause no-one likes IE. Besides you only need to test one IE. You dont care about the minor differences between 6,7,8 & 9
Ab
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@MylesGray IE6 does
21:09
@Nyuszika7H Yeah apparently you cant run IE8 in parallel with IE7
just test the latest one
user492203
@MylesGray I'm not running neither IE6, IE8 or IE9, but IE7 won't run.
@Raynos But IE9 is equivalent to firefox 3.6 in terms of compatibility
its much better than IE8
user492203
Internet Explorer 9 Release Candidate is out!
@MylesGray shouldnt have to worry about 6 too much now, and you can run 8 in compatibility mode to test how things will look in 7.. for the most part
21:11
@Loktar Oh thats right, developer tools I forgot about those
user492203
IE9
Acid3: 95/100
ill have to grab ie9 rc1
@MylesGray I mean test IE9 in IE8,7,quirksmode, Thats good enough
@Raynos Cool will do, Hate having to run a massive OS just to test inferior web browsers only used by corporate slaves, old age pensioners and bill gates
user1385191
and the chinese
user1385191
21:13
a lot of IE6's user base is in china
@MattMcDonald - How did that come about, the generalisation is that they are tech savvy :P
user492203
<?php header("Refresh: 0.0000000001; url={$_SERVER['PHP_SELF']}; "); ?>
user492203
This will cause a redirect loop.
well, practically no, it'll cause an infinite loop, yes. But it's a refresh loop, not a redirect loop
21:18
@MylesGray dont test IE unless you have windows
@MattMcDonald Thanks for the article
user492203
@ircmaxell Yeah, and it actually works. Chrome (and maybe other browsers too) detects redirect loops but not refresh loops
Good thing I don't write articles in chinese :)
@Raynos Is it possible to test IE unless you have windows? IE for Mac is not really IE, so...
@ircmaxell I have Win Server 2008 R2 running in a VM
It is in unity mode so there is no GUI just the applications
21:20
nice, but stick a Win 7 VM in there, and use an unprivleded account
user492203
Acid3
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IE9 RC1      95
FF4 b11      97
Chrome 10   100
I don't have any Windows 7 licenses, only had a few Server 08 licenses and they are basically the same OS
ther server is a bit more stripped out
fair enough
and defaulted for security rather than usability (full lockdown in my experience)
@ircmaxell I'm not opening it up to the web or anything It's behind a hardware firewall all i need it to do is run IE
@ircmaxell why would you recommend a win7 VM over serv08?
yeah, but they lock it down really tight by default (at least 2k3 did)
21:25
Oh yeah I noticed that, there was this thing called IE ESC enabled
wouldnt let the web pages do shit
@Myles: because of a few reasons: 1. it's lighter in terms of resources. 2. it's the platform you'll likely see in the wild,. 3. it's less locked down (at least by default).
If you have licensses and server room, by all means.
but it's kind of a waste of an OS...
@ircmaxell use VM's
I would have thought Server 08 would have been lighter?
@Raynos: I do use VMs. Server 2k3 takes more ram and hdd and CPU than Xp did, so I can only assume the same is with 2k8 and 7...
Cause Win7 has that stupid heavy GUI and all that junk like Defender and Firewall
Ab
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21:27
@Raynos not getting there... shall i mail u the files?
that's true...
I know aero alone uses about 50MB ram
@Ab ill look and give advice but im not going to fix it for you
You can't turn aero off?
@ircmaxell oh you need a solid machine to vm win7
Ab
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21:28
@Raynos sure.
@Raynos check now!
@ircmaxell Yes of course but I just thought the less configuration I have to do the better..
I've got 7 in a vm on this laptop
it's lighter than XP...
@ircmaxell Are you using Tiny7?
ok...
No, full 7
there we are 386MB RAM on startup
21:30
yeah, I have 1gb dedicated to each VM
I need to buy more RAM.. 4GB in a laptop these days just doesnt cut it
8gb on this one... And a dual core cpu.
£80 for 8GB jesus that's a steal I remember when 4GB sticks were £100 each
I remember when 256k was nearly $500
sound like my dad, he laughed when I bought 6GB for £300 he said he paid about a grand for 64MB back in the day
yeah. Except I'm no where's near the age of your dad...
@ircmaxell I didn't mean it that way hahaha
I know :-P
I can run IE9 alongside IE8 can't I?
user492203
FF4 is interesting. If I type nonExistentVar.thisMethodDoesntExist(), it won't throw an error, it will return undefined.
21:35
I don't know about 9, but I know you can't run 6/7/8 side-by-side at all...
There are programs that claim to do it, but they pull the rendering engine out, and it doesn't behave even close to the native browser in my experience...
Haha fail you have to kill explorer.exe to install IE9
user492203
@MylesGray If you don't want to restart Windows, yes. For me, it also said I have to kill Catalyst Control Center…
@Nyuszika7H ATI = Devil
user492203
@MylesGray why?
21:39
NV fanboy
:P
later, doing something else for a bit
ah shit
IE8 is gone
user492203
@MylesGray IE9 will replace IE8. Use Spoon.
I know that now :/
user492203
21:44
> 1 April 1998
user492203
…
Is Compatibility mode representative of IE8 in IE9?
@Ab replied. Good luck
@Trufa @jAndy Do Macbook's use standard DDR3 SODIMMS?
Ab
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@Raynos :) many thanks, going through it. :)
21:51
Apple... chancers:
only edited the code at the top. didnt leave any other comments
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22:14
@Raynos yup saw that. but its still the same thing. On 1st run, the image just wouldn't show up event though the onload event .type says load
@Raynos when I leave the images in global area, it does well but moment i tuck them inside constructor it fails to display
var images = ["images/gauge.png", "images/needle.png"] right?
Ab
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yes
its read from properties
change all references to from needleImg to this.needleImg and add this.needleIMg = new Image() to your constructor, same for gauge.
Ab
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@Raynos setOptions initializes the properties
@Raynos oic :
good luck :)
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22:19
@Raynos i should have done that... very much appreciate ur help. :)
@Ab is it fixed?
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@Raynos not yet.
Then I don't know, sorry.
Ab
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@Raynos some this.theimage properties comes undefined. fixing those
@Raynos i'm almost there, stepping through fb :)
22:37
Anyone think lynda.com training is good for JS/JQ?
user1385191
honestly, I think lynda is crap
user1385191
I had to suffer through those in high school
@Matt why so? I found their HTML5 first look quite good
user1385191
I like the theoretical stuff in programming books a lot better
user1385191
just finished crockford's book last night
22:40
worth a read?
Yes
Go for the reading resources about javascript instead
There's plenty.
Just do lots of javascript. Design applications
@Raynos Are there any sort of "test projects" I can do to put new skils into practise on?
@MylesGray write a pong game.
Write a generic Table control. This one is good. jQuery table plugin that's generic and extendable should be a good "test project"
Now were talking :D
Like a flexigrid clone
If you want bigger fish to fry then go for a jquery clone
Writing jquery from scratch is solid training
user1385191
22:50
Crockford's book is great, but it's for more advanced topics. You can read most of it on google books
user1385191
I'll grab a link
flexigrid.info - wow that looks... hard
@MattMcDonald thanks! +1
22:51
I'm sure i can "find" it on the interwebz
user1385191
Most of the stuff Crockford covers is syntax
@MylesGray you can for a jstree clone if you want :P
user1385191
like === vs == and literals
I'm going to murder whoever dreamt up google localisation
forever putting me off
and i cant disable the shit
@Raynos no thanks, Ill stick with pong
user1385191
if you do make pong, do a better job than I did
user1385191
22:53
my AI was terrible
As in it never lost?
user1385191
the opposite
user1385191
I made it too stupid
@MattMcDonald it was very stupid :p
I'm supposed to have an over engineered pong game in the works
user1385191
I've been looking into vector math and whatnot, so I can really see where I went wrong
user1385191
22:56
collision math in particular is difficult
Yep
Im trying to write a generic game engine in javascript >_<
This isn't something that A-Level Physics would have covered?
kinematics etc?
user1385191
my college final is a flash game, but collision math was too difficult so I'm using flixel + flex
user1385191
but colliding vectors is apparently the way to go
user1385191
while using the pythagorean theorem to calculate distance between points
23:00
That's very basic math i would have thought?
user1385191
I never took physics
user1385191
quick question
user1385191
does parseFloat need the radix param like parseInt does?
@MattMcDonald I'm pretty sure it only has one parameter
user1385191
23:10
thanks
while on the subject of numbers/number accuracy, can you explain the last digit in this example?
user1385191
factorial, right?
yeah, done a stupid way
by building a string
@MattMcDonald it needs it parseFloat(foo, 10)
@Raynos there is a second parameter?
23:13
No
I'm wrong. It only has one paramater
user1385191
distance calculation in js: jsfiddle.net/yvyrS
cool
@Matt thanks!
user1385191
be advised that the "registration point" of each object is the top left corner
@MattMcDonald can you explain why there is a "0" as the last digit on the pyramid?
user1385191
23:19
yeah I'm looking at it now
user1385191
figures. I think you're running into JS's int limit
user1385191
adding one to it yields the same amount
Ew distances through the DOM >_<
I dont like the DOM
user1385191
console.log(111111111 * 111111111); yields your incorrect number as well
user1385191
Raynos, it's just common distance math I've read in a few books carried over to JS
23:24
@MattMcDonald the maths is fine. The fact that you have to get it from style.top annoys me
Your getting the css position :(
Night all thanks for the advice
time to do some reading
user1385191
heh
user1385191
I don't know any better at this point
@MattMcDonald aha int limits :)
I'm trying to write a floating point calculator (for fun) and I've run into this problem before
user1385191
yeah adding more steps to your loop make it even more interesting
23:28
@MattMcDonald there isn't. The best thing you can do is write an abstraction
23:55
is jQuery a framework or a library?
@Raynos The homepage says it's a library, so I'd go with that
@YiJiang thanks

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