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00:01
basically yes
I take his advice like I take crockfords advice.
> John Resig has been fumbling, bumbling and stumbling around browser scripting for three years now (according to his Website, the release was on jQuery's 3rd anniversary.) Why are so many people willing to wait out his painfully slow learning process?
ROFL, hero.
@Raynos Tell them their rules are bullshit and you'll use the damn whitespace if you want to?
I tell crockford "i hear you style guide, I dont agree with it, its not a bad choice, I just prefer mine"
Although both @DavidMark and @MattMcDonald are very anti shim :(
which is sad
Anti-shim?
Shim all the things.
they prefer the use the intersection of all browsers
write paranoid anti browser defence
just look at mylibrary or matt's dom utils
I should invite david mark to chill here
All things aside, have you seen Matt's code? It's something different.
00:08
Intersect all browsers? Why do that when you can shim them in? What happens when you intersect a nullset? :P
I think I made a terrible hiring decision. It's taken this guy over 2 days to write a simple bash script to dump a db to file, and create a tar of a few direcories. :(
I'm also allergic to hipsters and fixed wheel bicycles so I can't just goto California.
@Zirak its ugly?
@Incognito you suck
Not ugly. Far from it
come to san francisco
@Incognito how am I supposed to get to know you and hire you if you dont live in SF ;_;
@Raynos Easily. Come work here.
That vastcap company is paying 90k starting for a competent frontend guy.
@Raynos We'll have to do a random chill out in cuba or something.
JavaScript party time.
@Incognito sounds good
 
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01:52
@Incognito this guy sounds exactly like a parrot
02:02
gist: JS Knight, 2012-03-28 02:01:47Z
##The Programmer's Tales: Prologue
###The Knight

_Thomas Shields_

There was a geek, a most distinguished man

Who from the day on which he first began

to code JS had done so elegantly - 

clean, short, fast, efficiently.

He had fought nobly in the Netscape wars,

And dived right into battle, no code more

than needed in those finicky places - 

and ever honored for his tabs, not spaces.


When IE took down Netscape he was there,

agape at CRT, pulling his hair 

In horror for shocked he was to see

that all the Web had fallen to IE.


Of prototypes and ES5 knew he;

Of pure JS and none of jQuery;

Of closure knew he and of variable scope,

Of the prototypical model he was pope.

At SO chats he often hapt to be,

He help-ed others to the nth degree.


And he'd fought for the DOM at W3C,

Three times there and thrice at ECMA too - 

This same worthy coder had a lot to do

with ES3 (the good parts)

and oft was said that he

whispered Crockford in his sleep. 
:)
02:34
RT @grorgwork: While I remember to tweet Web stuff, @dethbakin landed -webkit-image-set to make your retina CSS code much nicer: http:// ...
RT @0penWeb: HTTP, Canvas, Modal dialogs, Web apps notification, Shadow DOM and pre-rendering http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/03/openweb-weekly-30 #openweb
it seems to me that the access token should be logged by the application, and should see that more than one IP address is trying to access a single access token.
if there's more than one of the same access token, just terminate authentication and force it to renew.
i have no clue what you're talking about, but on the subject of "single IP's", you do realize that a bunch of users hiding behind a proxy (for security reasons, or a school/government proxy) are going to have the same IP, right?
if there's a users accessing my site on a proxy, then he voids his security assurance
assurances is automatically voided if you decide to allow any middle man to act on your behalf
anyways... there's also fingerprints
and what if multiple users on the same network try to connect?
browser finger prints
this is basically a session fixation attack...
that threat has always been around
and there's no real way around it
02:42
yeah
you can technically always spoof it, but you can sure make it hard as hell to do
SSL/TSL technically isn't perfect in this regard, but it's the closest thing next to impossible to hack
user1385191
…and a giant "heh" was given
user1385191
now, time to pester upper management at some companies into hiring me
I just had an idea to implement the Diffie–Hellman key exchange in Javascript
More details in the wiki for W3C Core Mobile Web Platform Community Group starting to get filled in by @tobie; e.g., http://www.w3.org/community/coremob/wiki/Main_Page
02:46
who says SSL has to be over HTTPS? lol
there wouldn't be trusted keys, but it would still be interesting
actually... I think the whole trusted key thing is what makes HTTPS any good, otherwise it's fairly easy to hack as a middle man
now that I think about it.... does the browser have a list of trusted keys saved on the client side?
otherwise a middle man can just just spoof that too, couldn't he?
aww man... lol... I think internet security is just a fairy tale
Hi,could I close a window via js?
best I can do for you
@andrewjackson = =|||
@andrewjackson i must say thats a cool site.
http://stackoverflow.com/a/2076307/779092
look what I found in the results
03:02
ive got a prob.how to post image here?
with links.
@hlcfan let me google that for you...
@andrewjackson Cmon....
see this link that says "upload"?-----------------------------------------------------------------||
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fail
i saw many people send pics here with link.
03:07
no
well then you suck
ooh a chat room in stackoverflow
how active are these things?
gracias
@hlcfan you found the link to the formatting, but you couldn't find the link to upload an image?
03:09
@andrewjackson yep
*facepalm*
wow, this is a really full-featured chat system
Quite active
haha
i got it.
celebration party?
03:10
what?
watch this
just copy the url of the image here.
ur pic was removed?
DUNDEE, SCOTLAND, UNITED KINGDOM?
I just logged the locations of everyone in this room
just one problem, no way of knowing who's who
how?
how to locate?
NASHUA, NEW HAMPSHIRE, UNITED STATES
BERLIN, BERLIN, GERMANY
DUNDEE, SCOTLAND, UNITED KINGDOM
PETACH TIKVA, HAMERKAZ, ISRAEL
LIAONING, LIAONING, CHINA
GUANGXI, GUANGXI, CHINA
SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA

these are the new ones
which one is you?
03:13
LIAONING, LIAONING, CHINA
but its not that extractly.it should be Dalian, LIAONING, CHINA
so tell me how to locate
Gotta be smart lol
Bruce Lee
Coolest.
03:15
i like when he kicks the lamp off the ceiling
NOW
For some reason it only shows region of people from China
@andrewjackson
tell me how to locate.
It's still pretty accurate
Didn't you say you had some problem or something?
user457812
I got a parrot on my shoulder, I am therefore awesome
Ya, you're pretty awesome
03:17
@andrewjackson i just wanna know how to locate...
@hlcfan I'm sure it involves jQuery
within StatckOverFlow?
ya, I just tracked you on SO, didn't I?
yes,or r u the admin of this room?
@andrewjackson quit trolling
03:19
lol
@hlcfan if he was we'd all be in trouble
@ThomasShields ya,i think so.but could u know how he tracked us?
because I forced you load my image, and I got your IP address from that, and I tracked via IP address.
@hlcfan well, if you visited his website he'd have logs of it, or if your location is on your profile, or if you use the same user name on other sites, etc etc.
or that, yeah
watch... I'll do it again... lol
03:21
ya.gotcha.
that's a potential security breach in the chat
user457812
Still having fun with that?
I really need to improved this script, it's saving everything in PHP sessions lol
user457812
It really isn't - went over it last night
@nil yup =]
03:21
@andrewjackson so where am i?
idk, there's no real way to tell who's who
well, i'm in southeast US, if that narrows it down
user457812
It's no different than Gravatar collecting your info or imgur collecting info or anyone else. It's just that we can point to a specific human and act all creeped out.
oh... lol
ATLANTA, GEORGIA, UNITED STATES, 30301
@andrewjackson yeah i know
03:22
well, you can use profiles to help figure it out
user457812
My pionus is awesome
@andrewjackson yeah, but guess what? that's only accurate to about a 100 mile radius
ud better do an investigation.
thats accurate.
so you really haven't tracked me at all
well, it's all about the server I use to do the look up
03:23
yeah
it's accurate for some locations, and some it's not
@ThomasShields the reason he didnt track u,cuz that ur network so bad.
user457812
It's relatively accurate for me, though it's still too inexact to matter
I live in a town that's only about 3-4 miles in radius, and it tracks my there
but since, like you said, any site can track via IP, it's not really that amazing. The real trick is getting me to accidently authorize HTML5 geolocation
03:24
even though my ISP is based in a town away
@hlcfan ha.
hmmm
I can work on that lol
like I was sayin yesterday, I thought it'd be a good idea to have for sites like ebay, to know where your buyers are coming from
afterall, it's just a profile view counter
well, i'm going to moving all my online activity behind a proxy at some point anyways, so i needn't worry :)
user457812
The important thing is to know if your buyer has a parrot
precisely
user457812
03:26
Parrots are the supreme judge of awesome, therefore parroted buyers are awesome buyers
that's weird, I was just talking about parrots earlier lol
I don't see what's so cool about proxies...
all you do is hide your IP from a site
if anything, it's less quality of service, and less speed to load the page
right, hide your IP
technically, we have the technology for governments to track everywhere you've been on the internet
regardless of vpn
for example, anything hardcore hackers use to stay hidden
03:30
@andrewjackson you know you should totally drop your IP tracking PHP script and write a GUI Interface in Visual Basic
can be broken
I have a GUI in HTML/JS
I posted the screenshot yesterday, I'll post another one
@andrewjackson not really. lf I hide behind a library's network with my laptop, then leave, even if you track me to the library, there's no way to find me from there
I was referring to the epic fail by the CSI writers
LMAO
I don't normally watch TV much
but... but...
I made a screenshot =[
now I don't need to post it
user457812
@ThomasShields While they won't know where to go from the library, they could ask and they'd point out you were the guy laughing really loudly and talking about his evil plans for a pine tree
@nil hahaha
03:34
@ThomasShields actually, that was my solution for staying hidden
that's really the only way
to use public access points
or better yet, if the network is unsecured, I could patch in to a user who looks like they'll be there for a while and make it look like the requests are coming from him
which is actually very effective
because it's public, anyone can do it from there
then the police show up and arrest that dude and waste hours while i'm exploding my laptop, wiping my slate, and starting from scratch so that even if you DO find me, nothing will stick
it's genius
you just have to be very careful...
I'd have a laptop just for that, that I never ever use on my own network
with a spoofed mac
right, exactly
yeah, def. spoof the MAC
03:37
if you accidentally connect to your own network with the same computer, you could be screwed
not necessarily
but yeah
well depending on the seriousness of what you're doing, just once could justify a secret investigation against you
yeah
but then you could just physically destroy the laptop and they'd have no proof
then, once you're back online (in the library) with a new laptop, hack in and erase any record of your existence
of course, you'd want to move around, not use the libary all the time
or they'd start keeping tabs
I wonder if it would be possible to write something that caused DNS nodes to go in an infinite circle
and bring down the entire internet
hi,i wanna know that before we come into a room.there is a light box shows:loading js blahblahlbah.
how to achieve that?
03:41
@hlcfan write a js loader?
agreed.i searched for a while.theres a project named LABjs.
it seems that project will help
just write your own
it's really easy
create a script element, set the src attr, append it to the head
you know it's done by setting the onload event
after it's loaded, you can even remove the script element from the head... as long as it's executed, it stays until refresh
....then take that concept, and elaborate it until you have something pretty
you could incorporate a fallback mechanism... i.e. ['http://googlecdn.com/library.js', 'scripts/lib/library.js']
@alex that's what my loader looks like
if you're making your own and feel like doing something extra
@andrewjackson great minds maybe?
03:47
[['http://googlecdn.com/library.js', 'scripts/lib/library.js'], ['jquery url', 'local jquery'], 'something without a fallback']
I don't actually use Google library though, just an example since you already put it there
i gonna change over to fc.see u guys then.
i just made that URL up...
oh lol
I thought that was actually something >.<
since last time I mentioned jQuery... :P
as much as I dislike jQuery, I use still us jQuery for development lol
I find it helps fill in the gaps for modules I haven't yet written on my own
03:50
I prefer not to where I can just to have more "fun"
and I also try to design it in such a way that to replace jQuery, all I have to do is change the file being loaded.
but my last work insisted
well, my current project is a text editor...
And my new work just mentions "exp with jQuery a plus" but I haven't started yet :D
there's a span for every word
03:51
oh
I really can't afford to let jQuery slow me down on this
Why a span for each word?
well, more like for every keyword
anything that gets colored for syntax highlighting
Ah got it
Decided not to use Ace or similar?
I used Ace to start it
Ace is actually not really optimized for tabs
03:53
In page tabs?
I would assume you mean.
you need to create an Ace object for every single tab you might have
yes
Yeah. I've used it before on a project I never quite finished
Ace is really good if you're just going to use it once per page
What languages are you supporting for syntax highlighting?
just HTML, JS, PHP, and CSS
03:55
Does it support any generic lexer guide? (have to look up the right term)
not sure what that is yet
I want the whole thing to work in modules...
so that the user can decide what to load, and not load...
and can modify the editor, and expand it
there's a lot I wanna add to it, if all works out... it's gonna be pretty different than any editor there's available
or atleast any editor I've ever used
@alex does that mean the ability to add new languages?
yeah it does
then yes
you won't have to write them yourself
anybody uses emacs here?
04:01
e.g. JS number -> -?\d+(\.\d+)|\d+e\d+|NaN
ya, so I also wanna add a utility to cheat a little bit, and import other languages that have already been written for editors like Sublime Text
thats most certainly not right but you get the idea
if they are in a format for another lexer generator it should be easy
ya, afaik, Sublime Text 2 is all xml
ohh XML
the joy
user457812
04:18
Sublime is for people who really, really like configuration files
I really, really like customization lol
my ideal of a perfect application is...
well...
a programming language
wait...
a programming language with it's own GUI
user457812
I just use TextMate, gets the job done and happens to be the thing everyone else is copying and doing a half-assed job of
i've been using MacVim
user457812
Used to use MacVim, then the TM2 alpha came out and I started using that
i tried emacs today.some of tougth
user457812
04:23
emacs is evil (not really, but I can't use it)
I don't actually use Sublime, but afaik, it's the Window's TextMate
user457812
Well, it's the Windows TextMate after E more or less died out
how about write a textmate like tool?
what makes TextMate so good?
simple i think.
simple than eclipse.
04:25
if it's simplicity, than that's my web based editor right there
user457812
Simple but really damn powerful. Kind of like vim, only less of a pain in the ass.
I think I'm just recreating TextMate and VIM for the web though
it seems whenever I have a really good idea, it's always already done...
now i use apatana,i wonder a textmate-like editor in linux...
I just never used TextMate, and I couldn't keep my attention on VIM long enough to figure it out
user457812
Turns out most people's ideas aren't actually unique, but that doesn't make 'em any less good
04:27
some time ago.i find redcar which write with java.so i abandon it.
user457812
@hlcfan Far as I know, the closest you've got to TextMate on Linux is Sublime.
I have some unique ideas too, that that I've never seen or heard of
user457812
Sublime is basically the attempt to recreate TM1 with some new ideas and subpar tmbundle support
user457812
Though it's kind of hard to do tmbundle support to begin with when all of them are made specifically for Mac OS
I want to implement some design-by-module option
04:28
@nil wa,i dont even know this tool.muchas gracias
So that you can have a project, and every function/closure gets it's own "file"
but it's not really a file, it's just a different way to view it
I think that's going to introduce a new way to really optimize this for a browser...
by only loading the parts of the file that you're working on
of course, it'll just be an option
I think you really have to see it to grasp it though
@nil i trid sublime.really cool
04:53
Hello javascript fans
im only a js fan when the script works :P
user457812
Your name changed.
user457812
So, @Philip, did you go around flagging all of my answers last night?
@Nil
Hello dude
hru
Nil

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