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17:00
@animaacija you should rephrase your question to be more clear before it gets closed
@Josiah You should come axis throwing with us
anyway, since I've been looking for crow eggs I've ended up climbing trees every day. Now I do it just because it's relaxing, and 20 mins of that is more than enough workout to get the guns going
if you have trees around you
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@KendallFrey lol last time I hit the house..
@SterlingArcher needs to finish his meeting and tell me when he'll be coming down so I can book axe throwing
@rlemon SterlingArcher is afk: meeting
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17:00
But I suck at it so with the handle!
who gave me cv ? Take it back please
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nobody appreciated that pun
Ima good person
me off
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i do very slow programming, word by word, to build solid, organic organisms that will serve me and others in future.
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17:01
@animaacija in reference to this... What do you make? Sounds creepy?
Sounds like he works for the Zerg.
@animaacija improve your question
@SterlingArcher just ordered my fitbit; I should have it friday or saturday
@ssube
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Q: Are there any objective reasons to favour `for` over `while` for an infinite loop in JavaScript?

DancrumbI have come JS code with some infinite loops (we're using node-fibers to allow things to happen). ESLint hates while (true) { } because of the constant condition. It recommends for(;;) { } Beyond just feeding the lintbeast, are there any objective reasons to favour for over while (or vi...

How is that opinion based? He's asking why there's a lint rule
@BenjaminGruenbaum the question is "should i use this lint rule" and the only answer is "no? if you want to?"
17:05
I agree with @BenjaminGruenbaum
voted to reopen
@BenjaminGruenbaum Asking why something exists is usually opinion-based, but the question does explicitly say objective
I think it goes deeper than the lint rule
your answer only cemented the opinion-based-ness
Why is he asking what's better for an infinite loop? Aren't infinite loops bad?
then he needs to reword the question to ask why the lib chooses one and not "Beyond just feeding the lintbeast, are there any objective reasons to favour for over while (or vice versa)?"
17:06
@ndugger any event loop is sort-of-infinite
@ssube the question is "why is this ESLint rule there and is it valid for my case" the answer objectively is "this ESLint rule is there because the authors are not aware of this use case and when they learned of it they said they don't want to bother fixing it but acknowledge the issue"
@BenjaminGruenbaum you any good with V8 optimization?
@BenjaminGruenbaum then "why is this ESLint rule there and is it valid for my case" needs to be reflected in the question and not inferred by the reader
@BenjaminGruenbaum that is what you're reading into the question, not what it actually says.
17:06
@SomeKittens I'm fair
Even after his edits, it's stated poorly.
@ssube that's what the OP said in the comments and in the question itself
that changes OPs intent (or appears too)
I'd prefer OP made that edit
@SterlingArcher what? Context?
you can't just tack "I want objective reasons to this opinionated question" and make it better
17:07
@BenjaminGruenbaum SterlingArcher is afk: meeting
@BenjaminGruenbaum [marking 0x386022156eb9 <JS Function InsertionSort (SharedFunctionInfo 0x34959e271671)> for recompilation, reason: hot and stable, ICs with typeinfo: 13/13 (100%), generic ICs: 0/13 (0%)]
It seems like it's continually optimizing .sort()
(this is in a recursive function, I get tons of these logs)
node --trace_opt --trace_deopt --allow-natives-syntax  run.js
@SomeKittens what type feedback are you feeding it?
any GCE or GAE users?
Is that its own sort on small arrays or your own sort?
What actually do you guys do if not using stackdriver for error reporting notifications
like say
17:08
speak Whitebeard
there is some error that needs to be checked right away
so how do you guys manage the notifications that bare sent
are*
or should be sent to the administrator so that rectification can take place
@GandalftheWhite how are you monitoring your app logs?
@GandalftheWhite I get an direct SMS or direct emails on urgent errors, other stuff is tracked in NewRelic which does emails.
we have datadog hooked up to pagerduty, which sends the info out to whoever is on call
sadly it does not actually page them
@BenjaminGruenbaum How do you handle that? As in how is sms sent, manually coded system or something like stack drive.
@ssube I am using GAE at the moment so I use the detailed logs present there to have a look when needed but there is no sms facility as such there
17:13
if you have the budget for it, I'd recommend datadog. It's a nice RRD-style tool, but much easier to use than Zenoss or Nagios, and hooks up to a bunch of alerting tools.
@GandalftheWhite it's in beta so... don't know what chances are someone has experience. did you look at their APIs, they say programmable notifications are supported cloud.google.com/monitoring/api/#overview
The StackDriver has features to accommodate sms and all
is datadog available as a service on google cloud?
Well it is available
I'm not racist, but my favourite colour is blue.
but I'll have to pay Datadog directly
@GandalftheWhite then you'll have to find a self-hosted solution
17:17
@FilipDupanović which, for monitoring, is... not great
especially if you're trying to monitor a bunch of ephemeral instances of a distributed app like GAE runs
if your cloud provider has monitoring tools, use them, otherwise your options are DataDog, New Relic, or spend 6 months hacking Nagios/Zenoss into shape
I have 20k USD worth Google Credits
that is why I wanted to stick with google only for now
@ssube I think there are some good monitoring apps out there with decent clients
if we come out of all this successfully
@FilipDupanović such as? We haven't found one and we've looked, pretty thoroughly.
17:19
@FilipDupanović that's crash reporting, which is maybe 2% of our alerts
not really monitoring
disk usage is like 80%
To be honest guys
the group of people as in us who are doing all this are new at this
call us noobs
xD
That is why I may sound dumb at times
@GandalftheWhite well, mostly we rely on NewRelic
too many things
17:21
what's wrong with stack drive then if Google credits is all you have?
@BenjaminGruenbaum where is Zirak. he's been MIA for two weeks
I just wanted to know
what the real professionals here use
@rlemon I haven't talked to him in over 2 weeks, I can ping him via phone
whatever you do, do not invent your own monitoring
he's probably busy, I saw him shortly before that
17:21
We wont
it will not work and everything will be bad
@ssube there is a legit case for your own monitoring
sometimes
@BenjaminGruenbaum that can't be solved with sending custom metrics to RRD/Fluent and setting up alert rules?
I'm not talking about custom monitors, just the infrastructure/core.
@ssube sometimes you don't trust external services, the network and other stuff
@BenjaminGruenbaum that's why you monitor from multiple locations...
17:24
I use the jquery-monitor plugin. $.monitor
GAE makes things easy for people like us
or else it would have taken us 3-4 more months to deploy even a below par system I guess
Damn...it seems everyone out there uses Datadog
their customer list is like sky full of stars
Did you guys see Google's machine learning as service section?
@GandalftheWhite yes
it's at the bottom
No @ton.yeung
@ton.yeung yes, I think I can.
1 message moved to Trash can
Sorry @towc
hahaha, just finished today
@towc I'm sure many people in here never saw last season's conclusion. Please be respectful.
it's fine @BenjaminGruenbaum at least I got the attention my parents never gave me :)
17:29
@towc what were you referring to and @BenjaminGruenbaum why'd you bin that?
@BenjaminGruenbaum should edit this to tell it is a spoiler
lots of people follow those links to see th trash
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@rlemon lol fuck I had the bucket on a 2020 come down on my head once but it was real slow it didn't jus straight up fail it sprung a leak
@towc Thank god you had that uncle to explain the circle of life. Am I right?
no, wanking dead.
@AwalGarg we were talking about how the jedi beat the sith
17:30
@Josiah did you die?
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Well it smacked me in the head on it's way down rather...
@Loktar LOL remember when he died?
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Didn't like crush me into the ground. And 2020s are tiny
@ton.yeung Tensor Flow looks very appealing to be honest.
so only like 30% dead?
17:30
@towc bunch of weirdos -_-
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Lmfao remember when you told the office I died in my car accident @Loktar
@rlemon sorry, missed my window.
Pity that it isn't available for all languages at the moment
I hope they launch it for all soon
I don't know Python.
@Megaplex yup, that was @ndugger for me
My Nexus 5 cannot detect
17:34
Why do I always want to kick you?
WIFI router
which is right next to it
any suggestions?
@Abhishrek restart
@AwalGarg 100s of times, both router and the device
youtube.com/watch?v=B8JGyB1mkSY [no spoiler -- didn't check comment section, browse at your own risk]
everything else works just fine
17:35
it can detect other connections?
@Abhishrek googled "nexus 5 ${router name and model}"?
maybe it is a known issue
ofcourse
@GandalftheWhite can detect ssid's from 4 houses nearby
> This fuckin' guy.
I wouldn't ask in here had I not exhausted my options
@Abhishrek updated firmware?
17:37
Yep, nothing.
Can it detect any WiFi Signal at all?
Updated Android aswel
@Abhishrek nexus doesn't want you to watch porn
@GandalftheWhite from the neighbors just fine.
@AwalGarg I don't watch porn
Wow!!!
That's some wicked pain in the arse*
17:39
@Abhishrek yeah... right...
@Abhishrek no, you just load it into background tabs
;)
@AwalGarg no seriously
Check your Router's settings maybe
will take a minute or two
Playing with them
@Abhishrek can any other device connect to that router?
17:40
@AwalGarg I am talking to you on one connected to the router.
nexus must have that "enter ssid manually" thing, no? try with that maybe?
@Abhishrek what else is there? reduce the passphrase bits?
does whatever android nexus is running provide shell access? use dmesg and iw etc. to check for config issues?
@AwalGarg did it, nothing.
illuminati confirmed
17:42
@FilipDupanović that might be an issue my password is really long
hey I love cookies :)
@AwalGarg lets try that
try what
@AwalGarg shell access
@BenjaminGruenbaum it's literally arrayOfInts.sort();
as far as I can tell
17:43
I have started adding nuts to ice cream explicitly these days
but before that lets try an option, I really don't want to try.
makes things more interesting
Changing the SSID
dese nuts
peanuts aren't nuts
17:44
No
Cashew Nuts, Pea Nuts (Roasted)
I like ice-cream a lot too. @ton.yeung you are a cool guy for liking those two things
together
@FilipDupanović Wait what?
@ton.yeung thanks for making me feel like I'm @JanDvorak
seeds are evil!
they're very nutritious and you can easily overdo them!
almonds too!
and WTF do you find 500g of almonds in mother nature per week, all 48 per year
actually, all seeds are super toxic
Well they have nuts in their names - so they are nuts
well I occasionally chew apple seeds unintentionally :|
and if the seeds aren't toxic themselves, then the bacteria and fungi that attack them are
I don't know how to peel it off. They bounce off
Pretty sure I have tried to pick from all corners but will try again
No, but he's Indian
@Abhishrek dude you know what is cheemdi right? da hell do you call the thing found in its seeds which tastes luxury?
mung beans soaked in water are common to eat raw, yes
@ton.yeung uhh, I'm pretty sure virtually all legumes need to be cooked
17:51
It's not a school work. it is more of a side project — Seyi 1 min ago
along with chana, whatever you call that thing in english
> I was given a project with this question: design and implement a Web-based survey system for the course CSIT206: Apply IT Programming.
Chana may refer to : Chana (name), alternate transliteration of Hannah, a Biblical character; sometimes spelled "Chane" Chana, Illinois, an unincorporated community Chana District in Songkhla Province, southern Thailand Chickpea (Hindi: chana) Chang'an Motors, also known as Chana, a Chinese automaker Woman with seven sons, a character in 2 Maccabees, sometimes called Chana == See also == Chano (disambiguation) Channa (disambiguation) Chana School...
you soak those together in water overnight and they literally sprout. then you can add some salts if you want and have them fresh. taste okay-ish and are very nutritious
@ssube I like his first comment the most; He just shoves a bunch of html in as a comment, lol
17:53
@AwalGarg sprouting is a different matter
@ndugger lol right
the question starts with "this is a project for this class" and he goes on to say it's not for school
@ton.yeung nope :(
atleast not knowingly
@ssube the other guy this morning with the poorly worded question deleted it and asked the same question again
Those are the worst imo
@rlemon linky?
@FilipDupanović well you soak them and they sprout :/ what else is there to sprouting?
17:55
original http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37466426/flot-and-css-rule-transform-scale0-5
new http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37467110/jquery-flot-chart-tooltip-in-trasformed-body
@ton.yeung gonna try in winters
@AwalGarg because sprouting can convert toxic compounds to non-toxic compounds
@rlemon ugh
flagged them as deleted-and-repost
just fix the first one
oh, and I am home alone again for 3 days or so next week. all foody tips appreciated. I am vegetarian though
17:56
it isn't that hard to do
I don't know why people think that deleting a bad Q and reposting it exactly will get any better votes
if people downvoted your first one and you copy it, they're gonna do the same shit
@FilipDupanović dunno what that means. I meant that it pops off the peels of the beans and they grow and swell and don't taste like crap anymore.
@ton.yeung lentils are fine, so are a few others.
[ a lot ] of unsoaked/cooked beans are probably going to give you indigestion or worse
but definitely not all.
@ton.yeung oh okay. so yeah, @FilipDupanović we don't have them until they are properly sprouted

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