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07:00
@ImranBughio How much experience have you got in another languages and OOP?
@Sheepy none to be honest, I am just your neighbor hood friendly front end developer who mostly plays with HTML/CSS, sometimes UX and UI design.
I sense spiderman
yeah "Friendly neighbourhood"
@Mr_Green your spidey sense is correct
07:06
Which spiderman? I've been playing Marval Future Fights (thanks to friend's kid who installed it on my phone). A few months ago they added lots of spiderman and spiderwoman that I have never met before...
@littlepootis Uhoh
> I don’t regret trying to embrace it, but I do feel like I wasted more time than I should have.
^ he regrets
@SomeGuy @littlepootis also said it has been fixed.
he said
@ImranBughio Ok, then starting properly from basic may be a good idea. It'll be boring at the beginning, but you'll learn more, the stuffs that you'll need to get to the next level. eloquentjavascript.net
07:09
@Sheepy I have started reading the book "Good parts" & watching Lynda Essential Training.
@ImranBughio Does it? I didn't see that. Where?
@littlepootis here "Don't worry, it has been fixed."
If you master CSS you can manage any programming language
@Mr_Green lol I get that, CSS can be overly complicated sometimes. Specially when you have made email templates -__-
@ImranBughio he just said that. I will do research before believing that.
07:11
you are working on google web designer? my condolences
@AwalGarg hehe, It's good as long as we are doing simple animated banners. Nothing fancy
@Mr_Green I see
@ImranBughio Are you/your clients from Dubai by any chance?
@AwalGarg Yep, in fact I am working for a Dubai based company currently.
why ask?
@ImranBughio Good parts is also ok. IMO Eloquent is more detailed and complete. For example, there is a section on Node.js
07:14
@towc seen that
@ImranBughio ... is it a $famous company which makes audio equipment?
@AwalGarg nope!
then you are safe. enjoy life till you could
@AwalGarg lol didn't get that!
@towc don't tell me it can do stuff that hasn't been solved by conventional FSO.
07:17
@JanDvorak just relaying the video to you. Of course there's a lot to criticize, but it seems quite promising
even assuming it works, security-wise it's hell
@towc landing on mars is more promising than this.
put your panel near someone else's and steal everything he got :P
@ImranBughio so many people don't have access to the web. And it's faster than most of our wifis
@towc Nevermind! I was thinking how will the lifi device get light speed data from www at first place then I just remember light can bend in optical fiber.
-_-
oh well
how the lifi will transmit different data to each user from a single source?
sounds interesting
07:23
@towc security-wise it's as secure as WiFi
assuming they use the same layer 2 protocol
yeah, nvm actually...
what's next... quantum entanglement internet ... nothing can beat that right?
yeah lets try going to stone age. they say it is fun.
@ImranBughio sure can. Quantum teleportation requires matter transmission before data transmission - and a regular data channel as well.
@ImranBughio could require too much power, but setting up a network for human brains to roam in so they don't need physical space anymore and so that the whole internet is literally at physical millimiters from them would be nice
07:26
Future is awesome that is we don't hit ww3
or global warming
local warming
@Mr_Green or terminator
@towc when you consider the espionage possibilities arising - nobody will use that.
07:28
NSA would know not just everything you do but also everything you think about.
And they'll be really proud of it.
I think they s... AAARGH!!!
@Mr_Green well nature is all about survival of the fittest but universe is big enough if AI will have even slightest of empathy for humans they will just leave us.
In anyway, we are doomed
More likely they'll keep us as pets, as a historical curiosity
07:31
@JanDvorak then we'll get rid of the NSA
or any authority, just a sandboxed network of users
forced to be in the network
who don't know that there is something else out there
NSA = Not Skynet, Absolutely
there MUST be an asimov book about that...
@Mr_Green We are doomed any ways (Aging) It's consciousness that's precious and if that could be created in Machines than why not kill the humanity and rise the consciousness to a new level? Thats what we are doing right now... by reproducing.
and I want it so much :,(
Consciousness doesn't transfer by breeding
07:32
@ImranBughio we are evolving which is fine but we are ignoring things which will definitely affect us
@JanDvorak where ever there is a thinking brain there is consciousness.
Yes, but a different one each time
How do you define consciousness anyways?
Even the greatest minds couldn't define it in the way we normally define stuff. but there are theories
we are becoming kryptonites who suck one planet after other
Human consciousness vs individual consciousness, I guess.
07:34
@JanDvorak there would be no breeding
and if you agree that we're just matter, there is no spiritual world, I'm sure we can make human-level consciousness artificially
my theory is that it is hard to copy our brain to AI. so, scientists may keep a chip to the newly born which will transfer the data to AI frequently
so we are not eligible for AI but new borns could be
do you understand what AI is? -_-
!!how are you?
@towc 7/10
@towc artificial chemicals which harm your skin. should use natural stuff instead
^ that's AI technically
07:38
I think if we slowly integrate machine system with human brains we can answer if consciousness can exist inside a machine as the cyborg will be able to answer if he experience the electronic signals from the attached device i.e a device to detect sonar signal and communicate them with brain. or vision/sound.
that's not AI lol. that's a PRNG in action.
@AwalGarg go die in a hole :) Also hi :D
technically now but it could be more in future
@AwalGarg technically AI, taught with the rule of choosing a random output of a certain set of outputs dependant on the input
@towc It is not depending on input.
07:40
Human brains are nothing but a really good computer developed by intelligence far beyond our own.
how = input
@JanDvorak let's not get started on that argument :P
In that case the power button on your laptop is also AI. Your press is an input.
@AwalGarg very very simple, but yeah
@JanDvorak I think they are not developed but got evolved. new born doesn't know anything.
Your definition of AI and simplicity is a bit off, but sure :P
07:41
cap is a lot more complex than the button, but also a lot less complex than other AIs
I've heard someone argue that stones are conscient
I've heard your mom can look pretty. Doesn't mean she can.
@towc They must have dirt for brains
@Mr_Green We develop AI by evolving them. Who is to say it's not the same with human or even Earth?
and his point was the same as the button → cap → skynet
@Mr_Green Newborn brains know how to interpret the highly compressed data coming from the optical nerves.
07:42
everything has consciousness, it's derived from complexity of behaviour
@JanDvorak Muscles of newborns "Know" how to react to nerve impulses.
it's just that some things are far less complex than others, and have less consciousness
That doesn't mean muscles are intelligent
They just work.
@Cerbrus It's a one-bit AI
in our case, most of the consciousness we have comes from the complexity in our NNs, but a small bit from our organs too (and muscles and stuff)
07:43
It's not intelligence
@Sheepy yes true
It's biology at work.
brains are biology at work as well, and also intelligence
maybe we should think different from binaries
/me invites @AwalGarg to get popcorn and watch the convo
07:45
We can also say the brain is actually entire universe because just like neurons connection in our brain passes electronic signals they are actually coming from a larger web of connections from an outer world which is also connected to all the other intricate connections inside each individual.
@JanDvorak By that analogy, a cart rolling down a hill is intelligence as well. Physics at work.
@Mr_Green Your may be surprised to learn that your brain transfer signals in binary.
So why should we hold responsible the connection within a brain to be what it is when they are completely depending on the outer connections to determine what they are.
@Cerbrus turns out it is, just much less complex
@towc grabs popcorn
07:47
oh noes, I interacted with the show...
@towc the show must go on
@towc You're not saying a cart rolling down a hill is intelligence, right?
@Cerbrus you cannot deny that genetic algos work, for how simple they may be
@Cerbrus does a cat have intelligence?
That doesn't mean it's intelligence.
@towc Sure it does. It can reason.
does a mouse have intelligence?
07:49
Same answer
does a worm have intelligence?
same, right?
I'm not so sure
ants?
Ants, yeap. teamwork and all
Worms come up when it rains --> intelligence
@towc Intelligence means to be able to achieve desired goals in most effective way possible?
07:50
have you ever heard the "3 behaviours of ants" study?
Nope
@Cerbrus so worms do have intelligence, right?
This is like the AI lesson I mentioned. The one where the teacher starts the course with a discussion of what is intelligence.
although it's really simple
I'm waiting for you to come to the point where a cart rolling down the hill has intelligence
07:51
oh fuck I'm late for school
continue my argument and argue against yourself :)
@towc Aye, however basic it may be
I'll come back later
35 secs ago, by Cerbrus
I'm waiting for you to come to the point where a cart rolling down the hill has intelligence
@towc Ta ta
07:51
Also, laters! :D
@towc I'd let you vacate today
Yes. AI is the bright future. Better discuss it with us than to learn things that'll be outdated before you get your cert.
@Sheepy When AI do come wouldn't humans will be sitting in their comfortable houses and enjoying life while AI does all the work?
@Sheepy yeah I am surprised. any link?
@ImranBughio Best-case scenario, yea.
07:58
@ImranBughio something like I, Robot?
Worst case, AI will be sitting in their comfortable clouds while humans do all the work. Wait...
in that case, we will be fat as shown in wall-e
I want to be fat :(
increase metabolism then
A good metabolic system is what keeps me thin
07:59
metabolism increases if you do exercise and eat lots of food
if it is good why you want to become fat?
cus this world is optimized for fat and short people.
and idiots too.
@ImranBughio In a sense. Quality of life will increase as a whole - imagine auto drive taxi and drone delivery fleet - but don't hope that inequality will improve.
and people who ri8 lik tis all d tim
whatever they do, people will never get satisfied
08:01
Worst case scenario, we'd be turned into this:
Then again, that might be the best worst case scenario, since we'd probably be oblivious about it.
@Cerbrus into morpheo?
no no I'm Neo
Nope, that AA cell
that's not an AA
people will get satisfied when they realize adjustment is satisfaction
that's a C
08:03
No-one ever uses C-cells...
except Morpheus
didn't know in english it's Morpheus :o
It's like they didn't want to use an "AA", 'cause it's too small for screen use, but the "D" was overkill...
(That's what she said)
I think the only difference is the capacity
but same voltage
And size.
PP3 is 12v
Human bodies can't generate more power than they consume. People who lost their job cannot apply to be human battery, matrix-style. Test subject is at least a feasible post. AI needs lots of subjects to master a topic.
08:05
yes that one's different
Eh, 9
not 12v
There was a time when battery and electronic technology are not as good as today, and it was common to put C/D battery in "mobile" gadgets. Where mobile means "there is a handle but it is easier to put it on the shoulder".
I still have a gadget that takes 4 D-cells
from AI to batteries
Welcome to JS room :)
08:10
@Mr_Green cuz AI will run on batteries...
it is not necessary to run on batteries as we don't :)
@Neoares it's not Morpheus in Spanish?
@Mr_Green inb4 god
@GNi33 Morfeo
@Mr_Green Hmm. Have you watched the movie "Matrix"?
08:12
cause ph = f
yes I did
@Mr_Green we take food as batteries
Ok.
@ImranBughio That analogy doesn't really work.
@ImranBughio we take food to charge. we don't eat batteries :/
08:13
We take food as fuel.
@Cerbrus I take fuel as food
Batteries are containers for "Fuel"
@Cerbrus that sounds like fuel is food
We do dispose the useless containers after we are done with the fuel inside the food.
@Cerbrus see he gets it
08:14
@Mr_Green An oak is an tree. An tree isn't necessarily an oak.
we eat stuff to charge ourselves
food theoretically already has energy we just extract it so food is kind of a battery for us.
Poor countries get paid by powerful ones to store their residue
fuel also has energy but we don't eat it
you wouldn't put diesel in a gas engine
08:16
@Mr_Green that is cause we lack the system to extract it using our metabolism
@ImranBughio We don't extract energy from food. We break down the food into it's core components, then use that.
Batteries are just discharged.
Fuel is burned -> Broken down into it's core components
We are just wasting time trying to align the different definitions of battery and fuel.
isn't it the same concept?
cars just lack a digestive system
At the end does it even matters?
so we use oil refineries
08:17
In the end, a battery looks the same. It's potential energy is just gone.
A battery can contain no energy.
The "fuel" in it is gone
What about the food for the soul ?
Books, Music, Art ?
are they also battery :)
Now you're just skewing the definition of "food".
"food for the soul" is just content about content
"food for the soul" is just a saying.
hence content
08:20
"It's raining cats and dogs" would be quite messy if you'd take it as literally as you took "food for the soul".
"it's raining men" is food for a good joke about 9/11
never the less food for the soul is a real thing. If you make some one slave .. don't give him any rich content for his mind ... lock him in a cell his mind will starve for rich content and might become physiologically ill. hence proven soul needs food (rich content)
@FlorianMargaine It hasn't been 22.3 years yet.
Person as a whole wont die but his personality and way of thinking might.
!!s/food/stimulation/g
08:24
isn't food for the soul a book or magazine or something?
@Cerbrus never the less stimulation for the soul is a real thing. If you make some one slave .. don't give him any rich content for his mind ... lock him in a cell his mind will starve for rich content and might become physiologically ill. hence proven soul needs stimulation (rich content) (source)
@Shea you can brand any thing
@ImranBughio Use the right word.
@Cerbrus what did I missed?
the relevance
08:26
1 min ago, by Caprica Six
@Cerbrus never the less stimulation for the soul is a real thing. If you make some one slave .. don't give him any rich content for his mind ... lock him in a cell his mind will starve for rich content and might become physiologically ill. hence proven soul needs stimulation (rich content) (source)
We are notstimulated as well
We use 10% of brain or less
!!s/we are/I am/
@Shea We do dispose the useless containers after I am done with the fuel inside the food. (source)
08:28
/i
point is.... I don't care about your sexual frustrations
Hehe
@Cerbrus I see, I was just cached by the notion of saying "Food for the soul"
@Shea That is rude
@Mr_Green that's not true
@ImranBughio If "food for the soul" is "mind stimulation" and a man's mind in his penis, then I don't care about your "food for the soul".
better?
08:32
It wasn't rude
@Shea If you put that way ... well we are who we are
geez tough crowd
@Shea just jk :)
Lucy
@ImranBughio just just kidding?
08:33
@Cerbrus JK = joking ?
!!define jk
@Cerbrus JK joking
wat
!!urban jk
@Cerbrus jk Just Kidding!
There we go.
"JK" --> "Joking" makes no sense.
08:35
Google says it's Just Kidding... I will remember that
These things matter. *Frowns*
I heard it few days back someone told me it means joking. I guess he was wrong
!!define sucks
@JanDvorak sucks plural of suck
08:36
!!define suck
@Cerbrus suck An instance of drawing something into one's mouth by inhaling.
!!define literally
@JanDvorak [literally](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=67897) (speech act) word for word; not figuratively; not as an idiom or metaphor
When I saw on the news that there would be no school tomorrow because of the snowstorm, I literally jumped for joy, and hit my head on the ceiling fan.
OK... it's not that bad
@ImranBughio but I am pootis
08:37
@littlepootis *little pootis
Wiktionary doesn't even list the "it's horrible" definition of "Sucks"...
!!urban sucks
@Mr_Green [Suck](http://suck.urbanup.com/784493) Not good. Bad.

The early Jazz musicians would say that a guy could really "Blow" if he had a good sound when playing the horn. If he couldn't play very well then they would say that he was "Sucking" on that horn. That's where the term "Suck" as being something bad came from.
2
with origin. great
08:40
I am going to work now, ping me if you guys discuss about dolphins.
Cap / urban to the rescue
#TeamCap6
08:51
that "sucking" is true. I've heard about that during a docu about jazz music
today, we got a team session with a female trainer. Management has ordered it to 'improve' group cohesion. Some co-workers rather prefer to work in all seriousness.
but she's damn hot. Gotcha try to get her phone number at lunch
wish me luck
No. But break a leg! :P
best of luck
if you give up. tell her about me that I am the coolest guy
nah, she's out of competition for you because you're green behind the ears (expression for "inexperienced") mister Green

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