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@SterlingArcher The good part is that I was cleared of everything by them ^^
The polygraph is the worst part of clearances.
They can get so many false positives.
I would get nervous during a polygraph, throwing so many false positives, they would throw me in jail.
I don't mind taking a polygraph, I don't lie and they don't really have many clear false positives anymore - false positive comes out as inconclusive.
@ndugger says literally everyone. They're not stupid :P
lol, I hope not; not that I expect to ever take a polygraph test.
@BenjaminGruenbaum I bet you can pass a polygraph while trolling away
15:02
The program with polygraph tests is that you can easily train to pass one even if you're lying. It's the false negatives.
> I am a 400-foot tall purple platypus-bear with pink horns and silver wings.
@BenjaminGruenbaum There are more accurate methods anyway, polygraph isn't trustworthy enough for most things vOv
@MadaraUchiha yeah
So, Symbol.unscopables - opinions?
Anyone gonna get Far Cry Primal? I'm on the fence about it.
@AwalGarg I have been speaking about minimalist css frameworks since before you joined the room :P you just didn't notice.
15:08
Arrays have a keys method that returns the array?
What is this unscopables nonsense anyway?
!!> Array.prototype[Symbol.unscopables]
@BenjaminGruenbaum "ReferenceError: Symbol is not defined"
@BenjaminGruenbaum :
> Array.prototype[Symbol.unscopables]
{ copyWithin: true,
  entries: true,
  fill: true,
  find: true,
  findIndex: true,
  keys: true }
Yeah, I saw that, I'm just confused :P
Map.prototype[Symbol.unscopables] // undefined
returns undefined for regexp, date, number, string, boolean
Symbols and Proxies trip me up. They're the only new ES features that I haven't fully wrapped my head around yet.
15:14
@ndugger For almost all intents and purposes
@ndugger Safely ignore them for now.
You can think of SomeObj.prototype[Symbol.iterator] as SomeObj.prototype["__iterator__"]
As time passes - I'm becoming more convinced symbols are not particularly well thought out.
Proxies are nice, but need more work to be useful and are also kinda slow.
Symbols have special semantics that obviously make them different from that, but that's their primary use as of now.
@BenjaminGruenbaum "slow" is an implementation problem, not a spec one
(Unless the specs are badly written?)
@BenFortune that's a ton of new stuff
I'm upgrading our server on the 7th (our update cycle is two weeks after Gitlab's release cycle), but that will be fun to play with
15:17
@MadaraUchiha "slow" as in inherently slow because of its semantics - a really science fiction like JIT can figure it out - but I doubt they will. Anyway - for IO related stuff it wouldn't matter much.
Proxies mean we can do a ton of interesting shit.
@BenjaminGruenbaum No arguing with that.
@ssube The todos and geo look great. Though looks like geo requires a separate license and won't be available with CE.
@BenFortune It says EE-only. Our server is getting enough traffic that I either need to resize it or set up HA soon, but we only have one location, so geo probably won't matter.
@MadaraUchiha does Symbol.___ just generate a safe key or something? How does that work?
@ndugger basically.
15:19
@ndugger Yeah
Oh, that's simple.
Symbol.___ is a reference to an already existing Symbol
Well, simple to understand, that is
@ndugger until ES2015 - objects were basically key-value pairs with the keys being strings. They are now key-value pairs with keys that are either strings or symbol. A symbol is like an autogenerated really long string you can't guess or enumerate.
And the environment knows to look for those already existing Symbols and determine what the object can or cannot do based on what Symbols it has on its prototype.
15:20
var s = Symbol();
o[s] = "Hello"; // no collision, no one could have defined o[s] before
define already existing? If you just wanted to grab, Symbol.asdfg, you're telling me that asdfg already exists?
@ndugger No, but you can do Symbol.asdfg = Symbol()
Ohhhh, I see. Alright
And then it will exist, and will be guaranteed to be different from all other symbols in the system.
That makes complete sense now.
15:21
@ndugger Symbol is a base type (like Number or Boolean or String) the symbol function (used to create symbols, like Boolean for instance) has static properties like .iterator. These are called "well known symbols".
@ndugger related from today 2ality.com/2016/02/js-name-clashes.html
@BenjaminGruenbaum You coming to the meetup in Wednesday?
Ha! We experienced name clashing with mootools very recently, lol
@MadaraUchiha not sure, probably not - any interesting talks?
MooTools is the perfect example of why you don't extend objects that you don't own.
@MadaraUchiha I mostly came to the last two because I talked in the first and organize the second, and then I talked at the ReactJS meetup so I attended that too :D
15:23
@BenjaminGruenbaum Don't think anything particularly interesting to you, but I do want to hear about TypeScript
cc @Zirak
@MadaraUchiha I'll be giving a "functional programming is terrible" talk as well as one on async iterators at boostjs.io though.
@ssube They finally fixed the syntax highlighting for ES6 ^^
English question: A server has a worker, but to provide communication with more clients, there should be a possibility to deduplicate the workers.
Mostly as a favor to someone @MadaraUchiha
Is that word in italics the right term ? According to my dictionary it is, but i have a doubt
15:24
@BenjaminGruenbaum Wow, that's an expensive-ass ticket :o
@KarelG No, it doesn't make sense to deduplicate workers.
how's it called then
@MadaraUchiha wait, it costs money?
is { [Symbol.foo]: 'whatever' } valid?
I would assume so, given what I've been told
15:25
@KarelG What are you doing to the workers?
@BenjaminGruenbaum 850NIS for the early bird
1000 for the normal
the worker handles requests from a client. But if client amount increases, the # workers should increase too
"doubling workers" ?
@ndugger As long as Symbol.foo has been instantiated with Symbol.foo = Symbol(), yes.
Alright, cool.
uh oh.. ninja edit
15:26
@KarelG That makes sense. The increase isn't "double," it's proportionate or linear (probably).
Challenge for today: make text auto-size to a container without layout thrashing. Just need to pop the source live! https://t.co/F89u64dAhq
@MadaraUchiha I find I should apologize; I thought you would be fascist in your moderator ruling, but I find that you're very cool with it all, and I even like you more as a moderator.
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@ndugger \o/ Means a lot coming from you, thanks :)
@ssube is there no a specific term for that ? In dutch there is :o
@RoelvanUden : "ontdubbelen van server workers" <-- how do you say that in English ?
de-duplication of service workers
or deduplication
15:33
but ssube says it doesn't make sense :/
Perhaps in the context your question is in? I can't imagine deduplication of workers either. You'd do deduplication of your data, wouldn't you?
@KarelG I don't think there is. You want to say that as the number of clients increases, the number of workers should also increase?
In a corresponding or proportionate manner?
@BenFortune yay, upgraded
@MadaraUchiha I'll see if I can get you tickets
i'm going to use "de-duplication of service workers".
thanks
15:42
Deduplication means taking two identical things, deleting one, and directing everybody to the remaining copy. It only really applies to data, not threads.
In fact, if you have an increasing number of clients, deduplication is the opposite of what you want: you're creating more workers with identical behavior for the additional clients.
@MadaraUchiha I'm speaking there as a favor for the organizer for speaking at the reactjs conf 2 weeks ago.
16:00
@BenjaminGruenbaum lol, 1000 for a ticket and you're not getting paid? :D
@BenFortune what I don't really get is, what control structure do you use for waiting until a message? Some sort of generator?
hi ssube <3
@corvid Either a generator or a plain and simple callback
The callbacks end up looking really unmanageable :\ I guess generator makes sense
@SterlingArcher broooooooooo
I went to what was supposed to be a small show this weekend, but they announced a couple opening acts two days before and it promptly sold out. It was a small venue to start with and turned into one of the most intense raves I've been to yet.
16:08
I saw your squid hat
some girl painted my face at one point
with her blood
nah, UV paint
aka blood
and semen
16:10
it didn't get that out of hand
@RoelvanUden had to research it. Apparently the dutch word "ontdubbelen" has a very different meaning than the translation provided by the dictionary: "de-duplication".
@FlorianMargaine a (d) clearance?
Like a clearance to give the D, because that is true :p
@ndugger hers semen ? D:
@Mosho yeah, fml
although I was comparing piercings with two other girls at one point and they took their shirts off
16:10
Hi Gershon
o/
@Loktar has or had
oh I did have a real clearance
just ran out in November, a top secret/sci
Sounds fun though! I'm getting too old for raves. I want to go to a metal show asap
I have clearance to know my own secrets. It's very exclusive.
Hi Gershon who is reading this chat!
Everyone say hi to him
16:11
Gershon, pls
who is Gershon?
@SterlingArcher no you're not. If you can go to a metal show, raves make sense. They're the same general concept, just one is angry and one is not.
He defeated the Huns
lol, that is some skill
in that case hey Gershon!
16:12
@Loktar our UI guy, he was looking over @Mosho 's screen.
Mosho get back to work
Thank you @Loktar @SterlingArcher
@ssube that's true. I still want to rage face in a moshpit
Or should I say... @Moshopit
:D
in Moshos pits.
16:14
yes.
lol
Where are the days I could kick-mute without you guys knowing :(
@SterlingArcher what if you could jump just as much, but with everybody encouraging you instead of trying to murder your face?
@BenjaminGruenbaum haha
The look on his face was priceless
Well, I wouldn't pay $100 for it :P
16:15
the look on his face was $5
+I can't be mad at him, he brought me chocolate
What a kiss ass
makes mental note
a female co-worker brought a small chocolate smelter (warmth provided by a candle) at work a week ago.
"valentine gift"
i was ...
chocolate fondue?
yes that
16:16
I'm not a fan of chocolate, but fondue is fun. We had it at our last house party, since it was sort of a valentine's party.
there is one good reason for a chocolate fondue. To smear it on your GF ;) Lick time
they make actual body frosting that tends to be sugar-free (which is A Good Thing) and doesn't harden
i have to say, smelted pure (fondant) chocolate with cream tastes so good
hey
how to remove class to siblings and itself?
when click to itself the class also remove
16:19
@SterlingArcher combining minnesota nice with edm is a good time on its own, but this was a smaller out of town DJ, so everybody who came actually knew his music and the words, so when he came on everybody was jumping. The entire crowd...
especially for this song:
jQuery("#menu-menu-1 > li.menu-item").click(function () {
      jQuery('#menu-menu-1 > li.menu-item').removeClass('show-parent');
      jQuery(this).addClass('show-parent');
      });
I got this already
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@BenjaminGruenbaum We use Reflux, I said we used Redux like 50 times because I was thinking the wrong name haha.
@jhawins oh ok then
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@Loktar corrected me but I never felt like explaining myself lol
lol and I didn't want to correct you in the chat anyway, seems rude.
16:25
is there a way to have a full history overview of a specific project on GitHub ?
@KarelG it's git, so obviously - why?
activity goes to max 1 month
@KarelG the commit/branch graph
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I went on a road trip over the weekend
or git clone foo && cd foo && gitk &
16:27
ah, my filter was still enabled -.-
crl
crl
gitk is the shit
in web programming who is not doing UI anyway?
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@Loktar I went to DT Des Moine Saturday got sexy pics
@crl I haven't touched a UI in months
@jhawins damn those are nice
crl
crl
16:30
ah pure backend devs :)
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Yeah this dude paid for my gas + $20 to pick up a transmission for him lol. I was super bored. So did like 270 miles
get a better camera, pleb
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@ndugger I haz LGV10 pleb
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Supposedly I haz best cam on smartphone market
I haz Canon EOS Rebel T5 pleb
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16:33
That pic I adjusted the light for the water, I wanted the reflection to show up good. I haz better one
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And they all went through stupid facebook compression
crl
crl
duckduck api isn't so useful :(, api.duckduckgo.com/?q=wat&format=json&pretty=1
it just gives duckduck go search pages instead of direct results
anyone?
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@ndugger Here without going through facebook first imgur.com/a/dDZ5R. I want a nicer camera but honestly these are pretty damn good for middle of the night with a smartphone dude.
16:39
@jhawins I'm just kidding; I spent too much money on my nice camera that's only been used a couple of times so far.
@Loktar @BenFortune @SomeGuy really good song
tell that to some would-be professionals with their 1000+ EUR cameras
@winresh24 well, there's a .siblings() method to get siblings, where were you stuck?
@KarelG or $4000 lenses...
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@ndugger I know but figured you might appreciate them :P. How do you like yours? What did you spend? I want something for low-light, most of my photos are at night time. I also want to be able to get photos of the stars but that is a bit more money heh
16:40
@winresh24 go to parent, get all children and for each children: remove class
cameras are dirt cheap compared to glass :(
I spent $400 on mine; came with a decent starter lens that's just super default, lol
@jhawins a Canon SL1 and fast prime lens should run you $500 or less. Not sure if I have any night pictures posted, but it captures light fantastically.
It's great for what I've used it for so far
Aye, the SL1 is one step up from my camera
I spent a lot of time comparing the two
I have a bunch of my roommate spinning poi and depending the times, you can get solid streams of light or the staccato flashes. Just general night light capture is good.
16:42
@KevinB @KarelG yeah the siblings is working fine with me but I also want to remove the class when I click to the active li
400 $ lens ?
my smartphone is near that price lel
oh, I definitely have some from a bar where a friend was playing
@winresh24 use this to point to the clicked element
so either use removeClass twice, use parent children instead, or addBack. Plenty of options.
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@ssube Post pics. I'm amazed at how well my V10 does at night, never have any trouble capturing anything.
16:43
@KarelG whick one ?
this ?
friend of mine playing a bar, very little light, no flash
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@ssube I mean straight up outdoors in the middle of the night xD. But yeah, nice! Here I have one of a lake at midnight jus a sec
it's pretty cold outside to wander around in that clothing
flash is terrible in the dark. You only use flash outdoors, and only when you know what you're doing.
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16:45
I DID NOT WRITE THE LETTERS ON THIS LAKE!
it also leads to the "red eyes" :p
@jhawins I don't have the outdoor ones on FB or anything, so I'd have to find them when I get home. But that camera captures light really well for the price point.
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@ssube see deleted message link. I found that there and took a pic, don't want to get flag raped
is "playing bars" actually an expression?
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That's at midnight no filters or effects no flash clearly
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16:46
@towc playing a bar? It's short for playing a show at a bar
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This is 1-2am, obviously I went a little nuts on the ISO and it came out a bit fuzzy. But still for a smartphone???
dat light diffraction
ok, but is it considered correct popular english? Just out of curiosity
@jhawins yeah, the camera will get rid of a lot of that noise and the vignette
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16:47
I can't stand the vignette effect it does whenever you're in super low light
@towc if you're playing guitar at a dive bar, nobody really cares. :P But if you saying "playing at a bar," everyone will understand what you mean.
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I did a long term exposure and was able to pick up stars but too fuzzy
Level of noise is a good indicator on the quality of the camera.
I need to do some long exposure with my tripod during the next snow, but I don't have a camera bag yet.
@ssube but playing a bar?
16:48
Oh man phone cameras
@towc it's close enough
@towc Yes; don't debate the english language with native speakers...
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@ndugger Well I put it on manual and did that myself. So it's no indicator at all except of my poor skills
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Any camera will be noisy if you set it stupid lol
@jhawins Nah, it's a pretty good indicator.
16:49
@ndugger which is why I'm asking whether it's a real thing, a repeated type, or just some language defect the single person has
heh at the latter one
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lol I set the exposure to like 1/4 sec and the ISO way up. Put no other thought into it
@towc it especially makes sense when you specify the bar. It's customary to say "NOFX played the Triple Rock"
don't forget that steam calls USA English as "simplified english " ;)
@ssube TIL
16:50
if the location doesn't matter, "so-and-so played a bar" is fine
"at" can frequently be elided
ooook
thanks
So can "to be" in some areas. Being from the east coast, I never use it. "The house needs cleaned" vs "the house needs to be cleaned."
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I think I have a pic in the middle of the night on the street and you can see the snow
This is from my old phone: i.imgur.com/EeTXwkj.jpg
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16:52
 jQuery(this).addClass('show-parent').siblings().removeClass('show-parent');
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I just love how it literally looks brighter on the phone than IRL usually
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But it flares like every single light source ever. ALWAYS with the diffraction
@ssube eh ? Really ?
@jhawins that's because you have a lousy lens (because it's a phone and there isn't room for a real one)
my English tutor would slap you for that big grammar error
16:53
probably some scratches, too
@KarelG the active li still not removing its class
right, because all that does is add it.
@KarelG It's equally clear. The "to be" is just to denote the infinitive and has no real meaning, besides to very vaguely indicate that the house won't clean itself.
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@ssube Yeah :/. And yep it's scratched, fucking LG made it so when you lay the phone down on it's back the lens is touching the surface. It's pathetic...
My younger brother tried to convince me that some phone cameras are better than professional cameras. The thing that he failed to realize is that the quality of the photo has little to do with how many pixels it fits into a picture. There are way more factors that come into play.
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16:55
Also that rubber back is mostly peeled off. "Phone that doesn't need a case" my ass.
you'll have to remove it if it already has it, or add it if it doesn't. This is also sometimes called "toggling", and there's a method called "toggleClass" that might be appropriate.
@jhawins Gotta get a case, man
Always use protection
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I'm a caseless man. I have a tempered screen protector
I see
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The siderails are stainless steel and can take a hell of a beating lol. But the rubber back and the position of the lens were designed to be destroyed
16:57
I always have a case on my phone. I'd rather spend the $40 to protect a $500 phone.
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It's big enough already lol...
Yes it is, lol
I need to upgrade my phone
but the M9 isn't actually much better
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It has nothing to do with spending the money on a case. But to get a very protective case it's gonna be way more massive
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I have till Sept and I'll get a new one. I just do ATT Next12
16:58
@jhawins Get man hands so you can reach the phone.
I don't get my free upgrade until September. My phone's wifi recently died. I think I dropped it one too many times, and the wifi thingie must've come loose or something.
Thank you :)
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@ssube Actually I have pretty big hands lol I can play an octave+3

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