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11:00 PM
Reactions are predictions
 
@ziGi so do unstupid humans
 
get a dog, see if it isn't intelligent enough to predict future outcomes.
 
use a smarter animal instead of cat in your example
 
if you make a trap for her that your cat has never seen before, it would lack the knowledge to simulate what would happen
 
@ziGi animals CAN predict future outcomes for simple "systems"
 
11:00 PM
@ziGi so would you
 
@ziGi make a trap for an octopus and you'll be quickly outsmarted
 
prediction doesn't imply human level intelligence. it is an escalating scale.
 
Well you are kind of right
 
we ourselves rely on past experiences and knowledge to predict things.
 
teresko is as well
 
11:01 PM
^
 
we are giant pattern matching memory machines
 
they do but for simple systems
we do for more complicated systems
 
we have more ram ;)
 
You can't compare the intelligence of different species
 
sure you can.
 
11:02 PM
Just because cats haven't developed speech or computers doesn't mean they're dumb
 
@SterlingArcher how so?
 
@SterlingArcher (yet)
 
you can compare them. but not all animals are stupid in the definitions some people have posted (i.e. can't predict the future outcomes)
 
Indeed, yet.
 
@SterlingArcher no, but there are other cognitive tests that prove that.
Naa... cats are stupid.
 
11:03 PM
Hmm, that's true
@BenjaminGruenbaum lmao
 
@ziGi because there is no way we can measure it ... at the moment
 
All animals are pretty much retards
We can compare it for a while now.
 
s/All/All other/
 
You can teach monkeys some words but that's about it. Dolphins too.
 
I would disagree but then I remembered the first time my brothers dog encountered a glass door
 
11:03 PM
Farm animals are dumb, wild animals are much smarter
most likely due to experience
 
Dolphins are sex addicts
 
Elephants get drunk, they seek out the fermenting fruit
 
And horses are just terrible people
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum bonobos can learn sign language and can teach it to their offspring
 
@SterlingArcher You're a dolphin? Why didn't you say so before?
 
11:04 PM
I WAS EMBARASSED OKAY
 
@tereško and they can play piano a bit
 
@tereško no, they can learn words, they can't really form sentences. They don't have anaphoras, they just have a very primitive form of communication.
 
alright im out peace all good chat
 
@floor naa, wild animals are pretty much retards too.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum actually they can
 
11:05 PM
 
Really, you people are giving animals too much credit.
 
blushing
 
@rlemon those eyes... you can just see what he's thinking. "Imma penetrate you."
:shudder:
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I am giving a lot of credit to primates
.. since we too are primates
 
@tereško naa, you're thinking about the Kanzi ape publication thing.
 
11:06 PM
I'm not over crediting them, I'm just not going to agree that all of them are 'retards' - sure they are no where near human level intelligence. but credit is due where it is due.
 
If a human behaved like a cat, we'd call it a retard
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum haven't heard about it, actually
 
well if you think about it
 
The way they do reasoning is very very primitive compared to what we do - it's impressive for animals but it's still far far far far inferior to humans.
 
There's a reason why /r/catsbeingassholes exists
 
11:07 PM
it is not easy to compare to monkeys because if we put humans and monkeys in the forest
 
@tereško oh, it's the one people always cite lemme find it I have it in my gmail somewhere
 
if you are not trained to live there you wouldn't survive for a long time
 
@ziGi humans will cut the fucker down!
:P
 
@ziGi Intelligence is all relative
 
@rlemon how would you do it without any tools
imagine you are stranded on a deserted island and you have no tools
 
11:08 PM
I'd use you
 
... how did we do it in the old days champ :P
 
we make tools
 
just fresh water from a river and some coconuts
 
11:08 PM
you can't take all of the rocks out of the forest
 
Now hold on, no one said that people are the most fit or best survivors. Just that people are the smartest animal on earth. By far.
 
smartest relative to what?
 
All animals on earth.
 
@rlemon ok I agree, but imagine you decide to go next week to Asia, the plain falls and miraculously you survive on such island, what would you do?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum relative to...
 
11:10 PM
@ziGi if I wasn't injured and there was no hope of immediate recovery. start building a shelter and fire for the night.
 
We're best at math, but there are surely things animals can do better
 
I'm Native American :P I've 'ruffed it' before
 
as I said before, I see "intelligence" as ability to simulate future actions (based on past experience)
 
@rlemon how would you make fire without tools?
how would you cut trees without tools?
 
Friction
 
11:11 PM
shoestring, stick bow, fallen timber
 
@ziGi make tools
 
and a rock
 
We won because we have opposable thumbs and because we're Mother Nature's joke.
 
@KendallFrey not math, we're capable of levels of abstractions that animals aren't
 
@SterlingArcher stop complaining, I know it hurts
 
11:11 PM
omg Kendall xD
 
We can reason about abstract complex situations, animals can't do that.
 
other animals**
 
@SterlingArcher say my name
 
@tereško "turning experience to expertise" :)
 
come on people :P that bugs the shit out of me
 
11:12 PM
@rlemon you animal.
 
We don't have fur, we got kicked out of the trees, we have no claws or talons or extremely strong hind legs. It was an Invent or Perish.
 
... ._. Kendall stahp
 
HAMMAHTIME!
 
oh no
POOR WORD CHOICE T_T
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes, but other animals ARE able to abstract .. just not as well
 
11:12 PM
HAMMAH
 
@Zirak I have all of those things.
 
@SterlingArcher stahp is not the safe word
 
@tereško not as well is understatement of the year, they can abstract and learn and reason but they can't hold complex mathematical models or philosophical models in their head.
Animals are pretty much retarded. Basically.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum most of people I know "can't hold complex mathematical models or philosophical models in their head"
 
Having said that, bees will out-salsa you any day of the week.
 
11:13 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum but they can probably hold things in their head that we can't
 
@tereško that doesn't mean that they can't learn to do it
 
for example, take migrating birds. they can find their way right back to one spot.
 
@ziGi It also doesn't mean that they can
 
@ziGi eeeeh .. that's a slippery subject
 
We're talking right now and we're thousands of miles apart. There is a fair chance part of this communication has been through space. We are doing this using machines that perform billions of computations per second. In comparison, my dog just put his paw in the water bowl and made a funny face because it got wet and is very excited because it is snowing.
 
11:15 PM
@rlemon I think Kendall is trying to hit on me
its scurry
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's a human way of looking at the world
 
@SterlingArcher s/on//
 
@Zirak right, because humans are able to comprehend being thousands of miles apart, the fact there's space, the fact computation can happen at a low level, time, numbers and all that.
My dog is really cute, but he's pretty much a retard.
 
Your dog thinks (well, I think for you dog) that you're retarded because you can't smell that squirrel poop or can't scratch that point behind your ear.
 
When we see animals and are impressed - we're impressed by evolution and how it 'learns'.
 
11:17 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum please stop, you are confusing intellect with ability to pass information from one generation to the next
 
By all standards we beat evolution. We humiliated and spanked it.
 
@Zirak yes, but those things aren't similar at all - there is nothing abstract in smelling squirrel poop. There is nothing interesting, there is no higher meaning.
 
@Zirak Wait, dogs can scratch parts of the ear that humans can't?
 
a human grown in forest will not be smarter then a monkey grown in a forest
 
@tereško naa, I'm not.
@tereško yes, they will. Of course if you deprive a human from any human communication they'll do very poorly - just like if you do that to a monkey - we're social animals and being deprived of social interaction is harmful to us.
 
11:18 PM
We're developed specific skillsets (like abstract thinking) because without it we'd be dead. Other species didn't because they haven't the need. So yes, by human standards, animals are retarded. By evolutionary standards, we're next to nothing.
 
We don't just have more accumulated knowledge - which we do.
 
oO
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum why are there tribes in jungle that are still living as it's still stone age ?
 
I would give it all away to be able to lick my balls
 
:sigh: why does google take so long to update webstore shit
 
11:19 PM
stop assuming that "science" is a magical juice that humans excrete
 
> upto 60 minutes to publish
I hate that
 
@Zirak which standards matter? You don't think abstract thinking and reasoning, science and so on are much higher standards than a strong sense of smell?
 
((In related news, hangouts?))
 
sure
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Matter to who?
 
11:20 PM
I'm with friends :/
@Zirak objectively, higher abstract thought is much much more interesting than heightened senses. Monkeys would not be debating this :)
 
I'm under the belief that we're all space dust, and nothing we do matters.
 
@KendallFrey D:
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Objectively?
 
@tereško the reason is because they are separated from the rest of the world which is developing. Nonetheless if you explain to them what is chocolate and give them some they would understand and learn
 
11:21 PM
@tereško I'm sorry, did you just claim I don't understand how science works :D?
 
aaawww now you got him all worked up
 
Guis. hangouts link. deleted above.
 
@rlemon brt
 
@Zirak yes. We are objectively smarter than animals. We are more evolved in much more interesting ways. You can say that a bird has a magnetic sense and cockroaches take more radiation to kill but that's so... insignificant.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I am just pointing out that you assume that "science" is somehow built-in for humans. IT IS NOT.
 
11:22 PM
Can't see hangout link, not RO :D
 
got it?
 
@SterlingArcher wait what? Why were you not RO?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Why is intellect significant?
 
he removed himself
 
11:22 PM
@tereško that's not what I said at all... I said that the ability to do science is important.
 
and abstract thinking is mostly tought
 
@rlemon @SterlingArcher why?
 
guys I suggest you watch the lectures or read the books of Dr. Harari
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum didn't feel like I contributed much to the room besides imgur gifs
 
@ziGi Yeah, he's full of shit, read the book - met the guy, been to the lectures :D
 
11:23 PM
hahaha :D
 
Great book, really interesting but oh so very opinionated. Lots of interesting historical facts.
 
still funny to watch his videos :D
 
(He teaches at my university)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what exactly is "ability to do science" ?
 
Bro do you even science
 
11:24 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum well there is no complete truth besides the one proven with scientific methodologies and we all know that history is not entirely provable since there isn't sufficient data
 
@tereško that's a philosophical question - but one definition is the ability to learn (turn experience to expertise) in a systematic and controlled way - understanding controlled factors and so on.
@ziGi read the counter-book (Dr. Hararri recommends it himself) - I think in English it's called "Guns, Germs and Steel"
 
@SterlingArcher bro, you can see it now
grab the link! :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thanks, I'll take a look
 
@SterlingArcher lame.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum so, basically the only difference between you an a monkey is a better ability to learn
not "science" or "abstract thinking"
 
11:26 PM
@tereško no, that's not the only difference. It's a considerable one though. It's not just better learn it's much better.
 
and it just better
 
@tereško actually the ability to imagine things that don't exist
 
@ziGi "simulate"
 
Like an O(n) algorithm vs a O(2^n) algorithm - both work but only one is practical.
 
yes
 
11:26 PM
You're closing in on the word "inventing"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ummm...
disagree
 
@ircmaxell you got the point don't be a smartass :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm gonna quote you on that
 
You know damn well what I mean there :P
 
I know what you intend to imply, but it's a dangerous implication that reinforces a misunderstanding of the term
 
11:28 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum in what sense is the "Guns, Germs and Steel" book a counter-book?
 
!!learn algosmarts <>http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/21657301#21657301
 
@SomeKittens Command algosmarts learned
 
!!algosmarts
 
1 min ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Like an O(n) algorithm vs a O(2^n) algorithm - both work but only one is practical.
 
@ircmaxell why oh why do you think that?
@ziGi well, the guy who wrote the other book says so for one. It's a different take on the subject - less cynical in a way.
 
11:29 PM
I see
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you know :-P
 
@ircmaxell There is no misunderstanding of the term though - just the concequences :P
 
also, I would like to remind everyone that some time ago the subject was:
53 mins ago, by ziGi
you do realize that when AI evolves enough to be smart as the stupidest person in the world and it can upgrade itself, it will surpass the smartest person in the world in matter of hours
 
Well sometimes you can't do better than O(2^n)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum an O(n) runtime could take 5 weeks for n=5, where O(2^n) could take 1ms for n=500...
O is about scalability, not practicality
 
11:30 PM
@tereško and I added because of our limited biological brains
 
which devolved into "animals are retarded" phrase ... which I find kinda funny since humans ARE animals
 
If I remember correctly our brains can do 30 quadrillion cps
 
nope
 
Clicks Per Second?
 
curses per second?
 
11:32 PM
CPS
 
@tereško But...no
 
cocks per second?
 
calculations
 
I think he meant "teraflops"
 
I think it's meaningless in this context
 
11:33 PM
I prefer my brain to not flop, thank you very much
 
=)
 
!!youtube everybody do the flop
 
#af5d53
 
#chucknorris
 
11:34 PM
if you already have it uninstall and reinstall
and hex colors will be neater
#f00
 
can anyone help me with this codepen.io/anon/pen/radZZJ im trying to align all of the icons in one line
right next to share button
so right after you click on share button all of the share icons will display on right hand side of the share button except bottom
 

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