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21:00
right. hmmmm
yeah, what @SecondRikudo said
okay, because I'm working with couchdb too
and what i half-assedly said.
On that note, Jade is a horrible horrible thing and I hope you stop using it.
really?
21:01
^
I just started learning it
why stop?
I knew that was going to happen.
HAMMERTIME!
if you like jade, use it, but be warned you have have to translate back and forth from html to discuss with others.
hahaha, short con list would be enough, I'm already not really impressed
21:02
@Phil Alternatives like Mustache (or the JS version, Hogan.js) have the advantage of being valid HTML documents as well
or EJS
those work with Node nicely?
node + express actually?
So if you already know HTML (which you most likely are), you can use them much easier, without having to learn an entire new syntax.
ah
@Phil Express can work well with most (if not all) render engines.
I know for sure that it supports EJS and Hogan
21:03
I agree that html comes first. Jade is just a new syntax and you will need to be fluent in translating back and forth.
Just like Coffeescript. don't use coffeescript without being fluent in JS first.
@Phil Personally, I really enjoy Jade
right, okay, let me try those. i find it interesting that a bunch of node.js tutorials were using jade
I think that <p>{{ someData }}</p> is much more readable than whatever Jade's syntax is for that exact same line.
yeah
I also use Jade. my app is 100% jade
21:04
Mainly because I never have to write an end tag again
@SomeKittens What the hell is wrong with end tags?
But.. i don't use jade's templating at all. I use client side libraries for that. I only use it as an alternate html syntax that I pre-compile
@SomeKittens How well does jade play with angular templates?
@Luggage That's what we use it for as well.
21:05
@MikeNolan Haven't run into any issues.
so you just put directives on the end of tags like normal?
huh that actually looks pretty handy
@MikeNolan Yep
I saw a project that used handlebars within jade and he would have sections that were html instead of jade where the handlebars content went
Not writing end tags means that you indent to put markup inside other markup. And you MUST indent. You cna't write improperly indented code, it forces you to keep a consistent indentation
it looked pretty funky.
21:07
oops, duplicate
@Luggage I'm very much in favor of forcing a style. It's something I really enjoy about Go
^ agreed
@Luggage We enforce that with smacks.
I hear the same argument about python and pep-8
yes.. it does rob you of smacking opportunities
21:12
I think Jade looks funky, and is really confusing, especially when it get's a little complicated with variables and nested tables, lists etc.
it's not for everyone
I love the idea of BYOS (Bring your own syntax)
@Luggage I don't.
Forcing someone to learn yet another syntax just to solve an already solved problem seems silly to me.
It just looks silly
div
  table
    thead
      tr
         th
           img
    tbody
      tr
        td
          a
            img(src='image.png')
      tr
        td
          span
            input(
              type='checkbox'
              name='box'
              checked
            )
      tr
        td
          form
              span
@SecondRikudo in my project you can revert to html any time (since i don't use jade's template features.
just compile once, throw away the jade and now plain html
@Luggage Yeah, I do the same with my Less files
preprocessing is nice
But the question is what kind of HTML is generated from Jade
I don't know
21:24
less/jade/coffee all preprocessed and served static. static files + rest api.
@rlemon Pretty much the same so far.
no hover boards?
All the sucky-sucky languages being used at once !
I'll go check!
no :(
ohh people hate less here, too?
can't win.
i already knew about the other two
21:28
SASS is better. CoffeeScript is the best
meh, less and sass both do what I want easily. They aren't very involved at all to learn.
I can't imagine regretting it later..
so according to reddit india is blocking github now?
why can't they block SO instead? :D
once you've learned one CSS preprocessor, you've learned them all
exactly.
Nope, and if you do, just compile one more time and go from the base language from there out
21:32
i used stylus for a bit because it's indenty style matched coffee and jade, but that ended up not being a good enough reason.
@BenjaminGruenbaum WTF is up with everyone and this freaking censorship?!
@darkyen00 @SomeGuy @AaditMShah is this thing real?
user1596138
lol when you say something sweet to your girl but she doesn't get it because your dumbass is a programmer and you had to know the syntax
21:50
@BenjaminGruenbaum I know as much as you do
It's nuts though
Hasn't gone into effect for my ISP yet. Hope it never doesn't
Now it all makes sense.
Woah
Well, if you ever need a job at a part of the world with GH hit me up with an email
I just wrote a jQuery version of that
$('#Allahu.akbar').closest('head').remove();
I'm terrible at nodejs you guys
@corvid try io.js instead.
21:58
Alas, working on someone else's project which is in nodejs. What is special about io.js?
it's even more buzzwordy.
better for golfing - two fewer characters.
Happy New Year!
happy hanukkah
22:02
Happy slow crawl into the pointless abyss
@adeneo You're a few days late
arbitrary point in time!
@BenjaminGruenbaum Does it mean it's too late to submit challenge stuff?
@Zirak only in India because they don't have GitHub anymore.
@SecondRikudo - better late than never I guess ?
22:05
Don't wanna brag, but mine is kickass
Don't wanna brag, but I'm fucking incredible.
That's what she said
Wait what
!!s/sh/h/
@SomeKittens That's what he said (source)
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22:10
HAHAHAHa you guys see this?
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Get the first and only automatic Password Changer.
Aha, sounds legit
user1596138
Ooooh that's so bad hahaha
> 60,789 people already signed up.
user1596138
> Daily"Dashlane announces an "Oh sh*t!" button to help consumers respond
to the next Heartbleed"
user1596138
22:12
inb4 Dashlane was a hoax, all accounts of 60K users have been compromised. Use this tool to change all of your passwords in 1 click just in case
user1596138
The saddest part is the only reason I saw it is my friends have started sharing it on Facebook praising :D
user1596138
What keeps dashlane from being affected by the "next heartbleed" lol, and nice buzzword drop
Are you saying we shouldn't trust random sites on the web ?
user1596138
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:D
22:16
We're gonna hack every account you have, and charge you for it.
Ingenious.
user1596138
The best tech joke of 2014
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user1596138
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22:21
And how do you know it's a scam ?
@Zirak for the record, you don't need to go get deps, since it's in your files, it gets them automatically
Oh, cool
22:32
^ cool !
user1596138
@adeneo I didn;t say it was a scam lol
Does anyone know when the new domains .email, .shop will be available?
For purchase and global usage?
@Unihedro dude just wanted it binned because it makes him look bad.
@BenjaminGruenbaum kinda...
22:45
@FlorianMargaine meh. But thanks
hey guys i'm getting a weird bug . When i render a page i get different layouts at 127.0.0.1 and localhost or 0.0.0.0. please see the pics related to this question at stackoverflow.com/questions/27726819/…
Zoom level?
yes i got it @Zirak. it was zoomed and i didnt notice it thanks for the help.
@FlorianMargaine How's the code quality, though? Decent Go?
23:05
@Zirak yeah
nothing to say on the code
Happy new year!
4
23:15
Happy 2015
;)
!!nudge 36 mistletoe
@KendallFrey Nudge #1 registered.
Over 2015 already
you can't even wait for utc, you selfish prick
btw, is 2015 any good?
pretty good
it's much better than 2014 over here
much less bad happened in 2015 than in 2014 here
23:22
I daresay less good happened too
so a pretty blah year all around
Happy New Year!!!!
@KendallFrey I geeked all year round, looks like a pretty good year to me
Pfft, I only care about Galactic years now.
The real party comes at 2038-01-19 03:14:08
Hopefully we've got rid of such an arbitrary concept as "time" by then
23:29
Yeah, we all know that space === time anyway
how do we create our own SO chat?
happy new year everyone!
oh nvm
23:49
Just 10 more minutes left in Eastern Europe. Still got 5 hours here :-p
Happy new year from Unihedro(n)?'s realm!
@KendallFrey nudge mistletoe
hat time!
|-*
Happy New Year from Europe to the fellow JavaScript experts!
What's up Javscript?
23:57
Happy 2015!
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