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16:01
@JanDvorak for things such as upload of files, combine XSL with XML, call a PL SQL procedure...
node.js doesn't seem to be that simple for it
i'm wondering because the only reason i want to use node.js is to use websckets through socket.io
:)
@Alvaro sure node.js does have a PLSQL wrapper
i7 laptop suggestions with 8gigs ram?
i like alienware because i love their hardware, but you're also paying a lot for the name.... cheaper versions exist from diff companies that i've heard decent stuff about, such as ibuypower.com - sounds shady, but a buddy says he's really happy w/ what he got
@AwalGarg One with 16
I have 6GB, and I never think it's enough
@KendallFrey which one?
@KendallFrey I dunno why but 8GB ram is set in my mind as the ideal case for me.
16:38
@rlemon your stuff will be delayed by a day ... or two
@AbhishekHingnikar rlemon is afk: getting a death burger
cause i have to go and talk to young kids in school about what a computer programmer actually does and what the heck is programming and that type of "careerish" talk.
since this came from my own school i couldn't say no
> Operating System | Windows 8 Pro
Windows 8
DOS
DOS????
16:41
@mikedidthis yes
done quite a bit of trolling recently
Ahh, from the last few days? I shall block / report the account on twitter.
@Sippy remember that arduino car thing?
I'm just missing an ultrasonic sensor, and It'll be done
Oh man, one of the interns lost the diamond to her engagement ring :( it came off the setting. I feel so bad for her
also, some charged batteries, I managed to discharge them completely during the tests
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O.o @SterlingArcher you uhh gonna go look for it?
16:44
I did, we didn't find it. She thinks it may have fallen down the sink in the bathroom -- so our office manager is calling the builing plumber to see if they can check the drain trap
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daaang man.... that sucks.... did she atleast know the last time that she saw it on her ring?
@Jhawins no doubt
Kinda. She remembers it being on the ring when she came in, and she hasn't left the office except to go wash her hands.
amazon.com/… Looking nice.. a bit costly though.
There's a lot of places it could be though
16:45
@SterlingArcher usually people buy those with an insurance policy - anything falls off my wife's ring they'll replace it free of charge (I presume this guarantee is why they put it together in a way that nothing's ever fallen off of it)
@SomeGuy @AwalGarg what should i speak to 12th students about programming ?
@mikedidthis lol
other then its completely not what they have done it for the lives so far :-x
@AbhishekHingnikar tell them to realize they are studying bullshit. Like I did, and everybody does.
@AbhishekHingnikar tell them only to do it if they don't like their eyes and really enjoy being forced to do things wrong by people who have no idea what they're talking about
16:46
@towc nice
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@towc battle bots? eh eh?
@AbhishekHingnikar There are really a lot of things I wish I knew, I really just knew in 11th standard... but the fucking time has now passed.
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sterling once they find it they should hot glue it on better next time :/
@JimmyHoffa she says she has insurance, so that's good
I love Arduino, it's just on the backburner as a hobby for now. I'd like to make a mesh network of arduinos
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16:48
Actually now i am curious how they adhere the diamond to the ring........ surely not some sort of soldering
@taco then they could send eachother spam e-mails, the first one that starts claiming itself a nigerian prince wins
@JimmyHoffa I am thinking about telling them how "just having a job" is wrong
@JimmyHoffa I hate email, no thanks
@AbhishekHingnikar what's wrong with just having a job?
@taco everyone hates e-mail, that's why you make the bots e-mail eachother. Teach them to be sending around spam, see how they like it
@towc in HS we made robots but used PIC chips
16:50
@JimmyHoffa you won't have jobs in next 5-6 years :P (or 10-12)
maybe I'll have the arduinos send each other selfies. I'll dismantle barbies, slap the sexy parts on the Arduino and make them take pics of their new sexy bodies
It will be an endless selfie ping pong, if you will
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Whenever we have the words ping pong, sexy bodies, arduino, and selfies in the same sentence something is seriously..... right....
@taco Your mind is weird.
How haven't we met before?
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@AbhishekHingnikar ? I think you're trying to make a point but it doesn't make sense. I've worked my whole career on software as have many others, don't know why I would be unemployed 5 years from now...
@Zirak I've seen you around
16:55
@JimmyHoffa he is talking about those students... they won't have jobs in next 5-6 years.
@AwalGarg really? Why? What's he going to do to them??
@JimmyHoffa not you. because this is india
most of the jobs here in it are writing blind code for outside companies
@JimmyHoffa I don't know but sometimes he talks crap. It's better to listen and forget if you don't understand him.
@AwalGarg not this time :P
@AbhishekHingnikar oracle at the top.
16:56
FYI : TCS / Wipro / Infosys are just writing code for other companies
better toolchains and better tools in general means less code to write
plus we have decent tools to write code [which was being done by indians]
@AbhishekHingnikar Wipro? eh, no... and TCS at a very very limited scale. Not sure about infosys though.
@AwalGarg na-uh as in they are Consultancy services
tcs gets govt projects afaik, but a major part is still writing code for others.
@AaronSiciliano the motors barely work :P (and are offbalanced)
ps don't u think tcs cannot be using 4-5 lakh programmers ? [can they ?]
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@AbhishekHingnikar they have been making me move tables, a 3 foot wide cauldron (witch pot), 2 beds and a bunch of other stupid shit today
16:59
@Jhawins fun :D
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Will you ever make me move cast iron cauldrons for you???
nope
the heaviest thing in office will be a windows PC, so boom [in your face windows]
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Good.
Apparently someone got struck by lightning and died at school this morning
yikes
@AbhishekHingnikar You mean you are lighter than a PC????
17:00
Thats so horrible :-(, but on a side note thats a painless death.
Oh good, maintenance is gonna pull the trap for the intern!
I hope her diamond is there
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I get paid the same hourly wage for moving shit around though
@AwalGarg i can move on myself
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@SomeKittensUx2666 uhh... I guess I might be going to LA for 4-5 days
@AwalGarg being honest most of my colleagues in 4th year won't be able to write better code then you :P
that is exactly what my school wants me to tell them... i blame it on studying for jobs
if they study for passion this won't ever happen :P
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17:02
Female friend from long ago has offered to let me stay at her house and entertain me. Guess she finished school and is 22 and has a pool guest house attached to her 5br house lol
@Jhawins duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude what are u waiting for.
@AbhishekHingnikar that goes without saying ofcourse. I can shame my teachers in any computer skill in not more than a minute. And they are all PhDs.
@AbhishekHingnikar he still has a gf I guess
@AwalGarg i wouldn't be that sure.
and it's not that girl
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17:03
I'm just scared I'll let her be my sugar momma and never leave xD
@AbhishekHingnikar school teachers... not college ones.
@AwalGarg I wouldn't be so sure
@AbhishekHingnikar THEN YOU NEED TO MEET THEM TO BE SURE
@Jhawins what's wrong in that?
!!afk
17:04
@Jhawins bruh...
my computer science school teacher was awesome..... i owe a huge part of me being a programmer to him
Get u sum sugar mama.
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She's one of those people... Ya know those people you have in your life that are just.... mmmmmm
@j hangouts :P
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And there's no clear reason why. She just mmmm
17:06
Whatever buys daddy a new Rollie son
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@SterlingArcher but she really wants it...
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I know I shouldn't be having a problem with this decision but... I am :/
Co-worker has a blow-up goat beneath his desk...
17:07
technically, that's "Behind his chair"
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@SomeKittensUx2666 Eh I still haven't decided yet. All I have to do is buy plane tickets and I have housing/food/company so
Nice!
Convince @copy to visit
I think he took it out to clean it
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@taco There seems to be a note or something on it's head
17:10
I just have these guys staring at me all day
the creeper has a hat now
@Jhawins he disavowed knowledge of the goat and threw it somewhere
I should spruce up my desk
Can anyone give me a rundown on express?
@SecondRikudo It's a thing that does things
@SomeKittensUx2666 Thanks! TIL
What do you need to know?
17:13
@SomeKittensUx2666 sadtrombone.com
I'm trying to basically grasp how middleware works
It's in the middle
anyone setup subdomains on nginx?
@taco IT'S A SPRUCE DESK GEDDIT?!?!
I'm not having any luck
17:14
@rlemon Yeah
@SecondRikudo ah, cool.
@SecondRikudo check out the ecma room
You just name your server subdomain.domain.com
That did it for me.
@SomeKittensUx2666 YA!!!
Middleware basically runs before the rest of the 'ware'
17:15
@SecondRikudo Are you talking about for node
@taco Yup
!!google expressjs
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@SomeKittensUx2666 I'm confused why Karma should be used for unit testing... what's stopping me from using Protractor for unit testing and E2E?
it can end the request then and there (like express-static) or modify the request in some way (like my own utterly redundant github.com/SomeKittens/jsonp-express )
17:16
I have a simple ensureAuthenticated function that acts as middleware. It just does a check and if something is not set, it redirects to a login screen. You use the next() call to pass it to the next "warez" @SecondRikudo
@m59 Unit testing's much easier with Karma.
then on my routes I just put that ensureAuthenticated in the route for the routes I want people to be authenticated for @SecondRikudo
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what's easier?
Don't I just write Jasmine code (or whatever) either way?
@m59 What's tastier, a delicious cheeseburger or a frothy milkshake?
@taco Can you setup a very quick example for that?
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17:17
Remember, I'm a total noob :)
It looks to me like the same thing, but with protractor I can write e2e as well
I feel like the penny is in the air and it's close to dropping, it just needs that last push :P
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I know there must be something else to it, I just don't know what to look for.
Unit testing is "Does this specific function do exactly the things it should" and e2e is "Do all the moving parts work together". Unit testing does not care about anything but that one function.
someone just handed me some code on a 3.5" floppy disk... I put it on my desk and set my coffee on it. was I wrong?
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@SomeKittensUx2666 right, I was still referring to the question of "why not just run unit tests with Protractor"
17:19
//the middleware
if (req.cookies.awwyeah) { console.log('ensureAuthenticated: true'); return next(); }
//res.cookie
res.redirect('/login');

//the route
app.get('/gamers/home', ensureAuthenticated, routes.gamers_home);
hmm i suck at formatting
@taco Yeah well what's in the middleware?? XD
@m59 Protractor fires up everything. Your unit test for a directive shouldn't care about the encapsulating controller.
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Ah.
@taco Paste, CTRL+K, Enter
@m59 Heck, your unit tests shouldn't care if the server's running.
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17:21
Man, this is tough.
@SomeKittensUx2666 he reminds me of you
This is why dependency injection is so powerful - you don't need anything but the thing you're testing.
@rlemon THANKS A LOT, JERKWAD!
@rlemon To be frank, most things are better than a ferret down your trousers.
@SomeKittensUx2666 Hmm, what's the point of next() here?
Maybe I like ferrets in the pantaloons.
17:22
Seems like you've handled the request perfectly there.
I screwed up the edit
//the middleware
function ensureAuthenticated(req, res, next) {

if (req.cookies.awwyeah) { console.log('ensureAuthenticated: true'); return next(); }
//res.cookie
res.redirect('/login');
}
//the route
app.get('/gamers/home', ensureAuthenticated, routes.gamers_home);
@SecondRikudo next() means "I'm done, pass this on to the next middleware"
@SomeKittensUx2666 Yes, I know that one. But like I said, it looks like you've already handled the request here... So what are you passing it on to?
@rlemon sigh, yes I'm a victim of the iCloud hack
17:22
Why isn't this in a route for instance, why a middleware?
Computer science jokes ?
related to education ?
@SomeKittensUx2666 Nude pics or GTFO
[ and this is for people who have seen nothing but C++ 85 ]
@SecondRikudo I'm actually not - I'm setting a property of res
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17:23
@SomeKittensUx2666 can you give me some advice on testing this? Seems like it definitely has to be E2E because I need to simulate a user typing jsbin.com/qidiw/15/edit
@rlemon happy birthday dude
@SomeKittensUx2666 You're calling res.send() in both code paths.
tanks
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actually, all of Angulars directive tests are with Protractor (at least so it says --- protractor.js)
happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy birthday my friend.
17:24
@SecondRikudo because it's resuable code for one
@SecondRikudo I'm creating a function that when called calls res.send()
bbl
@taco That question wasn't directed at you
> @room, those who want to give a 30 - 60 second message about what you do as a developer please make a video and link it to me. I will be using them to inspire and show young kids who have been mislead about what programmers do.
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17:24
@SomeKittensUx2666 Oh, right.
Missed that one
And the it'll be called if the route dictates it?
Can you show me the part where it's actually used?
@AbhishekHingnikar get to work around 8am, browse reddit until 11:30, take an early lunch, commit a few lines to give myself some git traffic, play flash games for a few hours, back to reddit, 5pm.
I still haven't figured out how .use work etc
@BenjaminGruenbaum , @SomeKittensUx2666 , @Loktar [i am using your games so you must do this for me], @rlemon , @RyanKinal I would like to see you in any case.
making those videos... please !
17:26
@AbhishekHingnikar I'll try to do something tomorrow.
@SecondRikudo that would be amazing :D
is there a due date?
@SomeKittensUx2666 monday i present at 7 am indian time
@AbhishekHingnikar I don't have to wear pants though, right?
17:26
ah damnit.. Im sick though :(
and sound stuffy
@Loktar then make your kids say stuff about how they made the game ?
and i show the kids the game your kids did / [oh link me that too]
haha yea
@Loktar write a script, get your son to put on your big boy suit and pretend to be you on video
@m59 If you're unit testing, load only one thing and then modify things on the scope.
that would be fun
17:27
@rlemon LOL
that would be awesome
I'm considering filtering my voice through a robot filter, and saying something along the lines of "All programmers are robots created by the government."
@SecondRikudo haha
Jacob in one of your suits, tie and all. walks in and starts talking about the exciting life as dev in the government sector
eww screw the gov sector :P
that would be funny
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@SomeKittensUx2666 since there's debouncing though, that has to be E2E, right?
17:28
@m59 No, you can wait in unit tests
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hmm, gotcha..
@AbhishekHingnikar anything specific that needs to be there?
damn you dns, propagate already!
@rlemon Or have him talk in a Henry Kissinger voice
@AbhishekHingnikar am I allowed to wear my horse mask?
17:29
@rlemon If it's not instant, it usually takes about 30-60 minutes. Have a drink, relax, and browse some reddit :P
SecondRikudo godaddy is strange. sometimes it is almost instant.
other times I have to wait ~2 hours
Oh wow
Lots of parents did it without protection on the New Years' eve I see.
@SecondRikudo nein, just inspirational
@rlemon works.
@AbhishekHingnikar Gotcha
programmers are unicorns.
17:30
I was premature, I line up with my brothers birthday
could also be funny
here is what they already think : Tideous, boring, brainless, mugging.
> well, the first one is old now, time to work on the second.
> I'll get the wine!
which is definitely NOT what we do
aspects of the job can be tedious.
until you learn that 40% of your day should be spent automating the other 60
then it gets really fun
Happy birthday :)
17:32
thankyou
@BadgerGirl , @copy you two... ->
@AbhishekHingnikar ?
[read the room message on right]
A video?
could be an audio too, of some cool demo in video
17:33
Will it be up online?
@BadgerGirl no
only offline, unless you allow me to
Can I wear no clothes?
my talk however i will post on youtube, for you guys to review
@BadgerGirl boy... its for kids
I'll only show my face, don't worry.
which one?
17:35
@BadgerGirl purrfect then
Should I speak with an Indian accent?
lmfao no
"I am <x>, I build games, fight unicorns, enjoy life [optional: at workplace] ... am a programmer"
\o/ - it's propagated!
^ An example
@AbhishekHingnikar Oh dear
17:36
@SomeKittensUx2666 you don't have to watch it xD
i can not upload it either, i will upload an unlisted video
Can I combine it with the ice bucket challenge?
@BadgerGirl sureeee.
Nude ice bucket programmers
that just goes insane.
hey guys though ... i am serious about it.
Me too.
17:38
no nudity .. and f bombs rest is fine.
I'll definitely include f bombs rest.
@AbhishekHingnikar I design robots which eat little kids
@Zirak works, but would u come on video ? and not look like ISIS ?
ISIS wouldn't hire me, something about how they're closing down to be a drug cartel
17:42
if isis hired you, i'd suicide ... no chances of survival left xD
darn
@Zirak You could borrow Lemon's horse mask.
@SecondRikudo you are a cartoon fan..... you can do your favorite cartoon finisher at the end
like kamehamehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :->
@AbhishekHingnikar My cartoon finisher is dropping a meteor large enough to wipe out any living thing on this planet.
Does that count?
works... if u can yell it
and gif works ... i'd finish with your video if its great
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17:58
I love it how someone asks to get a video of a programmers average day and the #1 comment that gets repeated by everyone is "I don't have to wear pants right?"
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@abhishekHingnikar just make them watch officespace :D

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