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I have implemented snapick so far using mongo cause it was meh POC, now when things are getting serious and i need a jobs architechture, more relational data etc etc. I am starting to find the need of a better solution then just all data dumped to mongo. The solution out of my mind is using PostGres, postgre is much much much better then mongo in the feature set but the obvious performance is making me skeptical
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guys, if i have this
Is it even possible to call the last routeEnter function?
So would anybody like to suggest something better? For The jobs architechture (It is going to be used for importing 1000s of images when the user first sign's up to snapick, I cannot process all those images at the same time hence i use horizontally scaled job slaves)
@Connor Is that JavaScript?
Is redis the best choice to go with here ? Or pg-sql with a read slave should be fine ?
18:03
It's from chrome console
it's the object
/cc @dystroy , @FlorianMargaine , @BenjaminGruenbaum
@AbhishekHingnikar iunno man.. I'm against slavery.
@RUJordan lol
@RUJordan Software Engineer
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Anyone want to be my off-topic php friend?
18:05
@copy Details, details.
ahh, Object.getPrototypeOf does the trick
@SomeKittensUx2666 aahhh, so you don't web dev for $$$
@m59 Depends. Is it horrifying code that would drive Cthulhu himself mad?
@RUJordan ...yes, that's exactly what I do.
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I hope not.
@SomeKittensUx2666 Clientside?
18:05
@m59 Then I probably won't be much help.
Hrm, I guess that means Software Engineer can be a web dever
@SomeGuy Full stack. And I mean fuuuuulllllllll
Ooh, nice
For some reason I thought Software Engineers were more.. software and not web apps
I forgot where you were working, though :/
18:06
@RUJordan The line between the two is kinda fuzzy.
Where was it again?
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The php room guys could give me all the help I need in like 10 minutes, but they just don't.
FYI: None of the code on that site is mine
This is the position you got via LinkedIn?
18:07
@SomeGuy No, I left that
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Correction: they'll tell you that everything you do is wrong, and leave you to it.
Fuzzy is a good word to describe it.
@SomeKittensUx2666 Ah. Good, because Generator Lab didn't sound familiar at all
@m59 If you switch to Python, you get a nice language and a nice community!
What was the earlier one?
18:08
If I may pry just a little further -- what languages are most common for you at work?
@copy Not sure if you can call it a nice community when you're a part of it. (I kid, I kid!)
Oh, I'm not
I mean the Python room
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@copy maybe I should just switch to node for this, but I don't think it's as ideal (oddly)
@RUJordan Our stack is an amalgamation of MySQL, PHP (No frameworks, of course), Node, express, Angular, and Bootstrap.
apparently MDN isn't reliable
18:09
but then there's this:
Recruiter asked me if I had experience with 'bootstrapper JS'
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@SomeKittensUx2666 gimme that job
@m59 You'd have to relocate.
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Yeah :'(
That's not a bad setup.
18:09
I like that
@RUJordan Hahaha, I know, right?!
I wonder what the ratio of positive score questions to negative is
@RUJordan We're slowly ditching the PHP
Plot twist: PHP is slowly ditching you, with reverse psychology.
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lol
18:12
Hahaha
@m59 my boss hired 5 people yesterday and he's looking for more
in ontario :P
@Mosho I'm guessing it'd require people to relocate?
@m59 Can haz portfolio link?
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haha, what's the pay? I suck anyway.
@m59 You really don't
You're way too self-deprecating
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18:13
As of today, yes I am.
Are e-resume's more common now a days or are .docx resumes still the hot shit?
well, it's a bank, so it depends heavily on your qualifications
The only thing you suck at is determining how much you suck.
Compared to me you all are shit and you know it.
I'd like to put my resume online and save paper lol
18:14
@RUJordan NEVER use .docx Always .pdf
But first I need to update my damn resume...
pdf?? really? I've only ever used .docx, or paper
Also, online copy if possible would be nice
Interactive and stuff
I've seen a few docx's
But most people use PDFs
make a linkedin resume?
I'd make one on Github
or that
18:15
On the todo. Will do within the next 3 years
@RUJordan It depends on the recipient, but I don't like the idea of middlemen changing my resume
Too many stories of recruiters 'spicing up' resumes
Thankfully my recruiters told me how to spice up my resume, instead of doing it for me
they want to feel like they have an actual job
I like recruiters though. I had a really good one here in DC; she did my job hunting for me which enabled me to work full time and search for a job with a pretty stress free atmosphere
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The employer I was just really hopeful about wanted me to be able to make sites of this quality and complexity in 6 weeks, using either WordPress or Joomla makersquarter.com
I don't know that any single person could do that (entirely custom)
18:18
With WP or Joomla? That doesn't sound fun
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With any cms that's just freaking ridiculous. IMO, CMS is based on compromise.
@m59 SAY FREAKING YES
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@SomeKittensUx2666 ?
Damn, Bill the Lizard is on a closing spree XD
@m59 that doesn't seem that unfeasible, I'm sure they would be fine with some delay. I've never done it but that site doesn't have much more than a few pages and images does it
I would take it and worst case I will fail
18:20
No wonder you never get a job
but not even trying when you are looking for a job for so long
that's crazy
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@Mosho I dont' know if you get the specifics....
I've never developed a website
so probably not
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The only way to pull of what they asked about would be to hand code every last bit of it, including the admin panel stuff so they can make changes.
"Hey, I really need a job, but unless I'm already 100% qualified in exactly the work you want me to do, I'll tell you I'm awful"
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18:21
Freelance, I'd charge 10,000 for that.
My first job was Joomla/PHP. Prior to arriving to said job, I'd written ~10 lines of PHP
@m59 and how much are they paying
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I didn't tell them I'm awful. I told them that to the best of my knowledge what they were asking for was impossible.
which made me wonder if I'm just that bad.
@Mosho dunno.
basically you had your foot in the door and you slammed the door on it
Maybe this would have been a better response, "I'd estimate that it'd take longer than that, but yes, I can do that in an appropriate amount of time"
18:23
^^^^ THIS SO MUCH THIS
Want me to move my message to the bin so people get that you're this'ing Mosho's statement? :p
But also that job sounded pretty shitty, so he probably didn't want to do it anyway
Exactly 0% given up integrity, confidence in skills, and customer/employer is happy.
@copy Everyone's got to pay dues.
But not by developing for Wordpress
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I don't agree with that. I told them that I can do anything. I'm talking about 10 months vs 6 weeks. The quality and level of customization they're talking about is far beyond what anyone does.
18:25
3 mins ago, by SomeKittens Ux2666
My first job was Joomla/PHP. Prior to arriving to said job, I'd written ~10 lines of PHP
That'd be something for the non-fizzbuzz-passers
I didn't even know what ColdFusion was before I was hired here.
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For Joomla stuff, I produce pretty quality sites and I can do that in 3 days.
WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL THEM THAT
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18:26
They told me what it was and I said.. "Yeah I could learn that." and they hired me LOL
Hahaha, nice
Sounds like a good place to work
my mind was blown when I was first asked to fizzbuzz, then it got obliterated when I heard people fail it
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@SomeKittensUx2666 I did, but you're still missing my point about what they're asking for.
My first contractor had me write a mini game for him to prove that I can write decent code even though I'm an Indian
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They don't just want a nice slider, they want to design any crazy thing they think of and use that slider.
18:27
Literally everything we do in programming was impossible until we did it.
> "Submit a form and print out the submitted data" "...That's impossible."
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I'd be writing 20 plugins (which is a huge pain on CMS) with admin options (bigger pain) for every site.
at least.
@SomeGuy I heard a lot of Indian "developers" lie on their resume.. like a lot =x Is that true?
@RUJordan I...wouldn't know
a lot of people lie or at least unreasonably inflate in general
18:29
I have like 0 experience with Indian devs
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I hate everything again.
@SomeGuy ah. I wanna say it was my coworker who showed me an article on it
@RUJordan Yes, from my experience. They'll say whatever it takes to get the job.
15cm of snow today
(I'm trying very hard not to sound offensive here LOL)
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18:30
I know what I'm capable of and I know that the kinds of designs they showed me, along with the CMS admin capabilities would take me 10 months. IMO, if someone can do that stuff in 6 weeks, they're unaffordable, and thus the site is unaffordable either way.
@RUJordan Hahaha, it's cool
India does have that reputation
Off topic, but I actually have an incredibly hard time understanding the Indian accent.
@m59 You don't know what you're capable of.
There's been extensive psychological studies proving that
@RUJordan Get on TS a few times when I'm around. See if you can get used to it
@SomeGuy can back me up here.
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18:31
Well, maybe I'm just not cut out for careers.
I've only worked a few times with indian devs
I'm afraid they deserve their reputation :\
@SomeGuy ok! Don't get mad when I ask "What?" about a hundred times :P
@m59 that is your most self-deprecating statement yet :|
2 mins ago, by SomeKittens Ux2666
@RUJordan Yes, from my experience. They'll say whatever it takes to get the job.
exactly this.
!!youtube chappelles show lil jon
18:32
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@RUJordan Hahaha, yeah, no problem
Accents can be hard
@FlorianMargaine Sucks :/
am I bad for wanting to know more about that? moose.iinteractive.com/en
Surprisingly spanish accents are easier for me to understand.
American accents are real easy for me to understand
But that's because I've watched a lot of American shows / movies
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@SomeKittensUx2666 do you know of any way to fake a backend with Angular? Maybe some kind of localstorage I can force $http to interact with?
@m59 Do you want the Kittens answer or the m59 answer?
I want to learn perl...
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@SomeKittensUx2666 lol whatever
@FlorianMargaine Yes. Perl is awful and everyone who uses it is to. I know this objectively because I read a Larry Wall quote once.
@FlorianMargaine Hahaha, yeah, seems like it
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18:35
I don't have time to write one right now :)
ah heck, maybe I do.
m59 answer: No, I don't know how to do that.
SomeKittens answer: *30 seconds of Googling* Yeah, you can totally do that by injecting `$httpBackend` in a normal controller.
@SomeGuy accents just take practice like anything, but it almost seems like it's taboo to try
@Mosho Yeah. Hence the offer to join us on TS
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@SomeKittensUx2666 unfair, I totally googled it, just not as well I guess.
@SomeKittensUx2666 Be nice, now
18:38
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@SomeKittensUx2666 and I don't think that's what I'm looking for anyway...
Hello Everyone. Anyone here participating in Google Summer of Code?
I considered it
Probably won't, though
@m59 you want to just get some HTML locally?
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nm, I know what to do.
18:42
@RUJordan It could be shorter ;) var x=+av.split("=")[1]
I just want to know what is the procedure to apply. 1 week earlier they said on their website that applications procedure will open today. Now they are saying it will 1 week later.
@Connor I SAID ONE LINER NOT GOLFED GAWD
@SomeGuy any idea why?
Nope
@RUJordan Depends how big your font size is
18:43
Okay, thanks.
I thought font size didn't matter :(
Still a one liner <.< Just a very large texted one liner
@RUJordan No, it could visually split into 2 or 3 lines
whereas my version wouldn't do that to me
Could.
And that's visually. Still one line on a text editor.
Well.. I guess it depends on the editor. ST3 would consider it one liner
there are guys who fix bugs here where I work, they are the worst case of cargo cult programming I've seen
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nested if's literally everywhere
18:46
@RUJordan It could be shorter ;)
av.substr(-8)
And don't bother saying it isnt dynamic
none of those answers are ;)
Well, to a "degree" they all are
well only 1 really is
But it's a specific case dynamic I would argue
18:47
av.slice(-8)
@FizzyTea The rules were is has to be larger than 12 characters :/
in angular, would it be better practice to have more than 1 directive for an element or just some cases inside 1 directive
@Mosho Depends
I want to have different kinds of code editors
18:49
If they're all about the same thing, cases
@SomeKittensUx2666 is... is that Venomoth? It's like Venonat banged a magnemite and evolved into an ATV.
@RUJordan TPP
Quite beautiful, really.
@SomeKittensUx2666 I have 2 or more IDE frames, for different languages
they all have the ace-editor directive
@Mosho separate directives/elements
18:50
but I want highlighting and auto-complete to be different
oh wait, same editor, different params?
kind of
I can do either <div ace-editor="type"> and switch on the type or <div ace-editor type> and add an extra directive
or have separate directives altogether
with a service or something for the overlapping parts
right now I instantiate the ace editor in the directive controller
@ThiefMaster do you know what happened to an answer that's disappeared from the question above?
Is there a point to close questions that have an accepted answer?
(Like does it make a difference?)
honestly for an editor, I'd avoid angular or any framework altogether. You want to get every bit of performance out of it, and it's not by using a framework that you'll get it.
19:06
a bit too late to consider that as I built the whole thing with angular
Never too late
I gutted my game 3 times just to have a proper foundation. 5 times if you include the shift from single -> multi pplayer
well, it isn't an extremely sophisticated editor
and there is the angular ace module, so I assume they did mean for people to use it
and many other excuses to not have to do extra work etc.
Are you really that naive to think we'll simply write code for free? Let alone enable cheating by doing your homework? Honestly.. shame on you. ...waiting on you. — RUJordan 9 secs ago
what a dick OP
lodash is so nice
it's just underscore :P
19:14
I didn't say underscore wasn't nice
but lodash itself has some nice extra features
This is not an answer, it's a comment. — RUJordan 5 mins ago
lol you seem upset :P
How does a statement convey upset? :P
No ellipses, no caps, no cussing, it's basically emotionless
emotionless/depressed.
Not really sure why that question made me mad.
it's passive upset
:P
I see the same crap like that everyday lol
19:24
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is the overhead from directives generally negligible?
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Angular directives? It's really negligible.
cool
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As far as I know, it's really win because it only searches the dom once.
makes sense
user1596138
19:31
@SomeGuy Schrodinger's cat... took me a minute to get the joke, I thought it was about breaking bad lol.
Hahaha
It's from this chat, by the way
@Jhawins hahaha that's so dumb :D
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And then I got the Heisenberg reference too lol
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Of course it will re-scan the manipulated bits to see if anything new popped up, but yeah it's as efficient as it can be.
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I saw it on Facebook lol
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19:32
@RUJordan Dude what. Haha.
user1596138
That's like hiring a chick to work at your Hooter's restaurant when you've only seen her in a parka. Lol but it worked out?
Hey guys, programming some nodejs and mongoose. Im calling
this.find( {$and: [ {startTime: {$lt: currentDate}}, {endTime: {$gt: currentDate}} ] } )

Any way I could make this to:
var filterOpen = {$and: [ {startTime: {$lt: currentDate}}, {endTime: {$gt: currentDate}} ] }
this.find( filterOpen )
@softarn What happens when you run the second option?
@Jhawins well it's not like I didn't know what programming was <.< Based on my resume and interview they determined that I would indeed be able to learn CFM
Lo and behold, I grasped the shit out it
:P
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lol it works
19:38
@SomeKittensUx2666 [TypeError: Cannot read property 'toString' of undefined]
oh wait
...no still same error with currentDate initialized before that
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@SomeKittensUx2666 I'm thinking I really ought to pursue node a lot more. I'm cool with doing something like this nodewiz.biz/nodejs-rest-api-with-mysql-and-express but where does auth come into play? and especially rbac?
Busy, sorry
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np
anyone familiar with backbone?
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@Crow slightly
19:44
I'm trying to route by query string and it is not liking it.
@m59 I think the best career advice I can give you is to read this instead of learning yet another tech.
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lol
@SomeKittensUx2666 var filterOpen = {$and: [ {startTime: {$lt: currentDate.toString()}}, {endTime: {$gt: currentDate.toString()}} ] };
solved it. Thanks for rubber ducking
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@SomeKittensUx2666 that's offensive :)
but I understand.
@softarn No problem
@m59 insomuch as your current problem is not one of lack of technical knowledge, but lack of ability to communicate said knowledge.
19:47
@Crow If it hurts, go see a doctor
^ I don't get it
checks
from czech republic
yay polandballs
lmao
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I can communicate fine. I'm not trying to get you guys to hire me. I know the book (it's in the room with me) and I'm well trained in public speaking (I did that for years). I'm more confident than you think. I'm just realistic and honest.
19:49
scope.$apply -> ngModel.$setViewValue(newValue)
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I know exactly how I could get a job, I just won't do it if it means certain things.
I have this line, it doesn't seem to do anything
@m59 Well, do what you have to to get a job
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meh, there's always Applebees.
fuck applebees man jeez
19:50
Silly europe
lol soooo they pushed my changes from my first sprint
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I know there are terrible programmers getting jobs because they talk deceptively. I'm only going to state clearly what I'm capable of doing and help people understand what that means as it pertains to the demands of the job they are hiring for. Nothing more.
@FlorianMargaine I can't remember what that software thingamajig was. For ssh accessible file systems?
@Connor deleted by owner
I broke an old part of the app with my styles
but I lol'ed hard.. it added a 20px black border around everything
I was like wow wtf, not even sure what tahts from
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19:52
I've had bosses making amazing money for doing nothing because they talked the talk. Screw that.
So I've been here for 5 months now... and I literally just noticed the fan sitting behind my monitor.
lol
I had NO idea it's been back there this whole time.
> why the FUCK is my face always so cold
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LOL no no it's off
But that sad thing is that it's beyond visible in my direct line of site
19:57
Hahahahaha

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