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Hisashi Iizawa ... wrote a 99 bottles of beer program in just 21945 instructions of Malbolge code
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@KendallFrey ?
If I recall correctly, it took years for a complete Hello World to be written for Malbolge, and it was generated by a computer, using something called a beam search.
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I'm impressed. Also, I'm sure this took much longer to create than it took me to create the language in the first place.

I'm relieved that this is possible, and I don't have to swallow my words...

I feel happy that it took 8 years to happen, which probably makes it the most difficult current programming language, though not the most difficult possible one.

I think Malbolge needs an update. I may write Visual M++ 2008 Extra Ultimate Edition if I'm feeling bored some weekend.
@KendallFrey this was one of the replies to the source for 99 bottles
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Link?
19:07
@99!0123456789/(?<=@)0//@(1)(?=!)/#$1$>$1 bottle of beer on the wall/#(1)(?=!)/%$1$>$1 bottle of beer/@(\d+)/#$1$>$1 bottles of beer on the wall/#(\d+)/%$1$>$1 bottles of beer/%/&$>Take one down and pass it around/&(\d?)([1-9])(?=!\d*(\d)\2)/@$1$3/&([1-9])0(?=!\d*(?<A>\d)\1)/@${A}9/@(?=!)/$>No more bottles of beer on the wall
yar har har
bottles_of_beer_count = 99;
while(bottles_of_beer_count) {
  drink(beer);
  bottles_of_beer_count--;
}
print "fuck singing, I need more beer";
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I guess it's a green poop day.
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esoteric languages are always much verbose?
19:15
@cc Of course not.
@cc no. Check golfscript, flogscript, j, k, apl...
Is Piet verbose?
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HAI
CAN HAS STDIO?
VISIBLE “HAI WORLD!”
KTHXBYE
@KendallFrey kinda
but instructions are single pixels
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That's actually hello world in Lolcode.
19:17
@JanDvorak No, not at all.
LOLCODE is amazing
MailChimp supports LOLCODE
most instructions
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Who wastes time on this stuff. It's all stupid. Brainfuck: Fucking stupid. Lolcode: stupid.
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19:17
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@KendallFrey Srsly??
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yes :>
@Jhawins srsly
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How is this done
@Jhawins You have to admit befunge is cool
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19:18
@KendallFrey Isn't that the bass ackwards one?
@Jhawins er, no?
@Jhawins LOLCODE is not stupid!
And they're pretty good mind twisters.
The Shakespeare Programming Language (SPL) is an esoteric programming language designed by Jon Åslund and Karl Hasselström. Like the Chef programming language, it is designed to make programs appear to be something other than programs; in this case, Shakespearean plays. A character list in the beginning of the program declares a number of stacks, naturally with names like "Romeo" and "Juliet". These characters enter into dialogue with each other in which they manipulate each other's topmost values, push and pop each other, and do I/O. The characters can also ask each other questions whic...
how can you call this stupid?!
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I HAS A VAR ITZ 12,  OBTW this is a long comment block
      see, i have more comments here
      and here
TLDR, I HAS A FISH ITZ BOB
19:19
So clear...so nice.
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That is absolutely worthless and a complete waste of time and talent.
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But.... It is kinda funny..
@Jhawins nope
You're absolutely worthless and a complete waste of time and talent!
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19:20
:12131822 You don't even know PHP? haha
I do, and it is nicer than PHP
so bam!
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I'm scared by people who doesn't know how to do without php
I'm scared by broken english.
;)
@JanDvorak APL and J aren't esoteric
J is pretty cool, actually
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How about, you write a function in SPL that prints prime numbers from 1 - 1000. I'll do the same in PHP. I'll be done in 10, you'll be done tomorrow/even later. ;P
19:22
@copy OOP in J is hard
@Jhawins So speed of development indicates programming language quality?
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At this scale, I would say yes.
It's not useful for everything, I guess
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When it's >10 times as long (maybe a lot more), yes.
@Jhawins stick to php
you won't enjoy the real world.
:P
you know what is fucking awesome?
!!google lorempizza
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Whoa! Google showed a domain identical to the search query as number 1?!?!
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;)
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@Jhawins post your php code there so codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/6309/…
whoa! I'm obviously excited to see my site indexed in under a week.
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19:27
!!awsm Seriously though, nice.
@Jhawins Srsly thh, nc.
1 hour ago, by copy
How did that guy become a room owner
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Needs work.
@rlemon SomeKittens did that.
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@rlemon If you guys have a problem with this then just remove me.
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19:28
But I've been here plenty of time, and I'm not usually any more of a dick than anyone else here now days ;).
if speed and shortness are the key factor an experienced golfscript 'developer' would pwn your php
no, you are the butthole of the room today because you're advocating php :P
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You're only the 3rd person to mention it, in like 3 hours, so I suspect I'll be removed sooner or later.
I only mentioned it because it is funny
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Oh, the context of that message from earlier seemed kind of negative. I just don't want to piss anyone off ya know.
I think PHP got a lot better in version 5.4 and 5.5 , they fixed a lot of problems. I still don't like it but I don't nearly dislike it as much.
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19:30
Anyone other than new kids anyway...
The main problem with PHP now is all the globals, the way linking works, and the SAPI. If they fix those - they got a half mediocre language.
@BenjaminGruenbaum I haven't checked the changelogs. I think I still have 5.2 installed
@rlemon you're still using C# 2.0 too right?
:(
I'm attempting to make the transition to Qt / c++ instead of .net / c#
They have function expressions, generators, normal array syntax, unpacking, etc now in php. Closures and shit.
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19:32
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not just the globals, it's the entire scoping system.
who has the time
Lol, C++ is one of the most horrid languages I know.
@Jhawins What do you mean?
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It's so messed up. All functions are global too, @rlemon had fun figuring that out a few weeks ago haha.
@BenjaminGruenbaum yea but I'm trying to ditch the MS dependency
Use namespaces... and do proper OOP with classes..
19:33
and mono never likes me
@rlemon Python.
so I think it is a bitch back.
yea I really need to learn Python
seems so useful
Python with Qt sounds so much better than C++ with Qt.
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There is essentially no useful scoping, and what there is only causes more problems.
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It's ridiculous.
19:34
@Jhawins Mmmmmmm rlemon tastes just like schinkenspeck!
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oops forget it, I'm tired
don't be one of those remover dorks.
we hate them
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no but I'm tired, and brain damaged, going out b4 saying more nonsense
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@cc 90% of your sentences >8 words are so amphibolous I have no idea what you're saying.
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Q: How to activate onclick in javascript?

De VonteI want to activate the onclick tag and click the link in javascript. I want to do this without changing the HTML code. Here is the HTML code: <div class="bottom_row"> <a onclick="miniAddToCart.closeMiniAddToCart({cmConversionEvent: 'Checkout'})" href="samplelink"></a> </div>

ohh, yea. cv-pls
(because it wasn't obvious)
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19:37
It'll be closed any minute anyway... Doesn't really matter
lol gone
http://deepschool.kd.io/Pages/Experiments/coder.htm

how do i make this 100% width?

look at source before you answer
he deleted it himself.
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my guess is, my answer is correct :P
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19:39
In case you missed that hilariously worthless answer posted at the end...
yea I was in the midst of calling him out for that
@deep Set the width to 100%
hit 'send' on the comment and it barked at me
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Same here.
@deep I did look at the source... just make the width of the master div and the textarea 100% width
19:39
hmm
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He used jQuery just to add an event listner, which didn't even need to be added.
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@deep how'd you break your *J*hand?
1) why does this need jQuery? because addEventListener and getElementById are too hard? 2) this doesn't answer the OPs very specific and silly requirements of not changing the HTML
@deep instead of width: 530px;
k
@Jhawins I tried at sports
instead of standing at the side, pondering code
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19:40
I take it you did good :)
Yeah obv
lol, you must ponder about code quite a bit
now try learning it
Bazinga!
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What sport were you playing that you managed to break your hand?
rugby
@rlemon go... Be...
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@cc can't ping him for real :/
19:41
just...#
go away
I've broken a wrist, a coller bone, an ankle, few ribs, and a jaw playing hockey. none of which were mine
:D
@deep 2/5 would not play again
don't forget about a heart
or multiple hearts
didn't break them playing hockey
unless the ref had a thing for me
19:42
ya u did
cuz ur boyfriend was on the other team
and you checked him
ohh damn, you so witty!
hurt his emotions
thank you
el.style.width = '100%'; <-- se vaild ?
I'm using jshint.com is there a way to tell which function has the greatest cylclomatic complexity?
19:43
@deep yeah
@Retsam 7th
still the same size
(Other than doing a binary search of deleting half my code at a time)
@deep Maybe you're setting it on the wrong element!
hmm
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19:44
Well, I may or may not have a job Monday, because I am fucking tired of the way things work here.
@deep the outer div and the textarea have to be changed.
yh i fiqured
it's as simple as this @deep
document.getElementsByClassName('textAreaWithLines')[0].style.width = '100%';
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Cool. I helped.
19:48
Jeez
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So who does actual dev for the site? They have a lot of fixes that have been waiting months and months that would barely take any time at all.
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Specifically this Mac control+click/command+click problem. That would literally take minutes at most.
room topic changed to JavaScript: Blind leading the blind since 2010-10-15 ! rules.javascriptroom.com [ecmascript] [enterprise] [javascript]
DEATH TO COFFEESCRIPT
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@SomeKittens Death to every single one of these annoying little quirky languages that translates to JS.
19:52
@Jhawins like jQuery?
Doesn't javascript compile to jquery?
@Jhawins I like parenscript.
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@SomeKittens If anything it happens the other way around with jQuery
hey guys
should we add deep as room owner?
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@SomeKittens FUCK YOU
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19:53
@SomeKittens Somehow this is starred, by me, but I didn't star it.
CoffeeScript is only bad when devs don't care about what the rendered output looks like
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^ I guess if more people did care about the output it'd be just fine.
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@FlorianMargaine Of the Trash Can, yes.
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Wait... Then he'd move everything to here.
19:55
@Jhawins I'm that much of a ninja
aww, who cleared stars?
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No I'm 100% serious right now. Now my star is gone!
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Trippy
I wanted to tackle a way-too-hard project last night
dunno what happened to me
Birth
writing an LLVM frontend for lisp...
which means I'd need to write the runtime too (GC...)
Tss. I'm crazy.
19:59
i need help with a function run()

http://deepschool.kd.io/Pages/Experiments/coder.htm

I want to be able to run the html code in the textarea
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I want to be able to run the html code
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wat
hey guys
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@deep You want to parse HTML, run PHP and run JS. Why.
Because
Meh
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20:00
Please, PLEASE use PHPs eval()
Dont Forget CSS
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For the PHP part anyway.
and i know 0 php
so im screwed for that part
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There's no way you'll do this without giving up complete access to your server, or at least making it easy to get.
can i not just do
document.write(txtarea.value)
20:01
does anyone here had trouble with chrome "smart caching" for pages? it loads twice when you request a url, set one in cache for further use.. then when you request is almost immediate
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@deep Not even close. That would just print the value.
oh.
document.write(eval(txtarea.value));
6
?
@deep lol, you couldn't have wrote a worse line
LOL
I've written C# before. It's a lot like JavaScript.
20:03
13 mins ago, by rlemon
room topic changed to JavaScript: Blind leading the blind since 2010-10-15 ! http://rules.javascriptroom.com [ecmascript] [enterprise] [javascript]
...
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That's star worthy...
I'm not sure I can stand it anymore.
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Just eval.
@RyanKinal source?
20:04
@Jhawins Well, actually its not. why would people want to even see shit that bad?
interview?
@Connor Coworker.
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But I'm telling you right now, this is a bad idea, and I will play with your server if you leave it open. Just don't do the PHP part, it'll end badly.
Who usually writes nothing but VB
ouch, mis-pinged as Connor
20:04
Mis-click
not even close
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@Connor It's a good laugh.
@deep What are you trying to do. do you know what document.write even does?
writes to the document?
night guys
20:11
-3
Q: This can have a drink when I browser www.Mmysite.Com I write to show you localhost

Rof Ghanchi O'RaThis can have a drink when I browser www.Mmysite.Com I write to show you localhost I have a php file of xampp to make it run localhost / mysite when I have wanted to write www.mysite.com type to open localhost

wth
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FUCKING STAY BLUE YOU VISITED LINKS!
ok...?
Oh, did you guys hear about HL3 confirmed?
come on, tell me you're not going to print that.
20:14
I'm not going to print that
@BenjaminGruenbaum Too many academic definitions wrapped up in coffee-esque twee, not enough actually doing things.
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@SomeKittens Tell him to hire me.
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And if he says no, you just keep saying yes.
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And I want a dolphin as a bonus.
20:22
@Jhawins You probably wouldn't want to work here
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Ha! I'm about to go see about pushing carts at Walmart again for the winter.
...it's better than Walmart
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I'll work anywhere at this point other than fast-food.
You weren't opposed to transplanting to SF, correct?
I hear Target lets you ride the shopping carts down the isles after hours
sounds like fun!
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20:24
@rlemon Walmart lets you smoke fat cigars while you're pushing carts, if the right manager is there. Haha hell me and my store manager crushed the shit out of a cart with the fork lift once.
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@SomeKittens SF is actually my goal.
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That or overseas. But the latter wouldn't be anytime soon I don't think.
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I mean just because I wouldn't get hired. If someone offered me a relo package and a half decent salary, I wouldn't care where it was.
Ah. I know a guy who's hiring PHP consultants, but that's not full-time
string[] strArrays1 = new string[] { ...stuff... };
return string.Concat(strArrays1);
//Use of unassigned local variable strArrays1
20:28
@SomeKittens PHP consultant sounds like an oxymoron
Cool story VS
@OliverSalzburg The team I'm talking about specializes in fixing horrible code left by those who give the phrase "PHP consultant" a bad name.
That sounds like a horrible job for many reasons
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@SomeKittens That sounds like a cool job actually.
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Too bad.
20:32
I actually really enjoy tearing bad code apart and refactoring into awesome
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Same here. Re-writes are often more interesting than fresh starts.
So I just got an email: "Hi Joe - invite to join Codementor as an expert mentor"
"You'll get to help other developers and companies by answering questions and doing code/design reviews. You can make your own schedule, and you'll be paid a competitive hourly rate in 15-min increments (or donate to charity and help raise awareness). We have business clients who've have paid $500/hr to get expert help. Some mentors also find our site to be a good way to find potential new hires as well.

Would you be interested?"
(see full text)
It could be interesting, but I think I'll pass
@JoeFrambach haha "Here's the most we've ever been paid as a baseline"
yuuuuup
I'd wager the going rate is like $12/hr
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Which is what I make.
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20:34
If I go back to Walmart I'll be making $8, if I'm lucky.
oh man
You should move to sf
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First offer that isn't BS(BullShit) I'm there.
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I have nothing to hold me back, if I had a job lined up I could literally move tomorrow.
There's a lot of dev in business services out here
Why the hate?
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Sarcasm?
20:37
More of a front-end dev guy?
:P
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Haha.
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For now I'd like to find a job where I do some front and some back, but I prefer backend.
Oh, you like the nasty stuff
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Yes, I like it nasty.
@rlemon you said obscurity is sometimes as good as security. It never ever ever is.
20:39
Ah, "Mentor's rate starts at $10 for a 15min session."
But that's the cost to the buyer. I don't know how much cut I'd get
@rlemon I dont mind obscurity on top of security, but your final defense should be security.
please read the context of that statement.
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Q: DynaTree Dynamically Expand Nodes

C SharperI started working on this from somebody else's code. So the dataset was filled around. Myjob was to add functionality to expand a node on Load based on a database value. It took me awhile and this Jquery worked when I completely didn't think i would. onPostInit: function(isReloading, isError) ...

Hello there, how many of you are using sublime?
use EagerFeat;
use constant{
    OnAndOn =>1,
    TRUE    =>1,
};

while ($Road == OnAndOn){
    if ($can){
        $follow = TRUE;
    }
    elsif (join(':', $Road,$larger_way)){
        meet($errands, $paths);
        last;
    }
}

$wither_then? cannot():say();
20:46
Several
@Richard >0
< Math.min()
@SomeKittens, what does that mean?
It's fairly basic math.... "greater than zero"
20:53
mines more complex.
"less than Infinity"
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@LucasKauffman No he didn't.
asume you mean yes then, ok. I was wondering how you can prioritize the autocompetion in Sublime. If I type plain javascript, I do not want to get help for Backbone or Jasmine?
some of it is very clever / beautiful - other parts make me feel like a better programmer :P
And then you get to codegen...
20:55
@SomeKittens, forgot to put your name in front!
@Zirak please care to explain this to me?
// Make sure -0 is considered less than +0.  -0 is never a Smi, +0 can be a
// Smi or a heap number.
if (n < r || (r == 0 && n == 0 && !%_IsSmi(n) && 1 / n < 0)) r = n;
like I understand the code, but why in js would we need to distinguish this?
In js you don't, it's an optimization as the comment says.
I don't get it either
lol, I don't see optimization in there but ok
Mostly because I have absolutely no friggin idea what a Smi is
@rlemon What does the % prefix mean on some of those lines?
20:58
I am hoping for some asm use?
@JoeFrambach It's special calls to C/C++ bindings.
Most of the heavy lifting is handled in these.
@Zirak It's a representation of small Integers like in C (ie. not a pointer to a union value, but the direct representation of a number)
damn, can't google for "why does v8 differentiate between positive and negative zero" and find useful results.
Integers don't have -0
@copy oh. So "Smi" stands for "Small integers"?

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