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1:02 PM
@ssube You ever transfer a Route 53 zone from one AWS account to another? The actual zone, not the domain
The only doc I found says to copy each record by hand
 
no, not sure that's possible. Zones aren't really concrete
I've transferred domains and created new zones, yeah
 
Yeah, I see a lot of copy & paste in my near future
 
heh, that's where terraform comes in handy (or just the awscli and bash)
 
Yeah, I'm wondering if the task is just big enough to look up the awscli commands :D
...and figure out how to use them without fucking up everything with 2 accounts simultaneously
 
I quite enjoy scripting their cli, it's really good
 
1:05 PM
Yeah, I use it for a lot of common tasks, but this isn't common :D
 
pretty sure the CLI and all the SDKs are generated from the same typedefs somewhere, too
 
omg
I would, but it's already been vetoed
 
lol
 
but if I replace the fish with another poster of Danny...
> OK FRANK
I would have to get much better at soldering before doing either of those, though :(
 
1:27 PM
~60 minutes until Falcon 9 launch of Iridium-5. Launch webcast will go live about 15 minutes before liftoff → http://spacex.com/webcast
 
@KendallFrey nice thanks
 
1:40 PM
@KendallFrey does it contain a Tesla ?
 
no it contains an iridium
 
should I be irritated ?
 
If you're not a fan of global telecom, maybe
Friend of mine suggested a solution to this which I like in principle. Choose several possible democratic systems - first past post, different variants of PR etc - vote and then randomly select the system after the polls close. That would stop these people gaming the system. https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/978195004454768640
intriguing
 
5 Iridiums to be precise
 
@KendallFrey Hi, it's me, [337][386][645], you called?
 
1:48 PM
what
 
stardew valley joke
 
whoosh
 
you could put in item IDs as your name and it would give them to you each tiome out name came up in dialog
 
I hear that game is addictive
 
or something like that
 
1:49 PM
not just your name, any label will work as long as a NPC says it
your own name was just the easiest to abuse. the bartender will say your name every time you talk to him on certain days. so find that day and just sit there clicking on him
99 sprinklers easy
 
@rlemon That's not the easiest way to get items in a game. I've played a game that lets you set up a system where you can get free items afk, no clicking required.
It's called Factorial or something
 
factorio is not the only there I think
 
@KendallFrey booooo
no landing footage
 
oh you footage fetishists
 
that rocket has legs for daaayyys
 
2:03 PM
a rocket without legs is doomed to explode
 
@KendallFrey aren't some systems just inherently harder to game anyway? we should use those instaed of randomly selecting a system that sucks after people have voted
I know that wasn't 100% serious.
but.. changing voting is something we should spend more public debate on
 
If the system sucked after the vote, it sucked before the vote. People will always game people
 
less hookers and payoffs
@OliverSalzburg some voting is more fair than others. randomly selecting it it like saying "ok, everyone vote then.. we MAY use those votes directly, or we MAY use an electoral system or we MAY use something else". I think that'll make people feel they have less control, not more. There will be a new question of if the 'random' vote method selection was really random or just the one needed for the desired outcome.
"People will always game people" makes it sound like we can't do better. we can
never perfect, but better
 
No, we can't
 
not with that attitude :)
 
2:08 PM
:D
 
@KendallFrey this pitch ... sounds a LOT like skynet.
o_o
 
lol
@Luggage Yes, there would be an absurd amount of fury after every close election
 
@rlemon right? but so cheesy
 
Hey guys I want to make a DB interface language using javascript. Any ideas for a great name?
 
these first generation space TV commercials are not impressive
 
2:10 PM
Imagine all those people complaining about HillaryWon, but with the possibility that she actually could have but didn't because of a coin flip.
 
not just close, but the method of counting is a surprise. If you think there is fury about someone winning in the electoral collage but not the popular vote, imagine the fury if the electoral college was a surprise on voting day?
 
Basically using some form of API with javascript collection and sorting functions, akin to C#'s LINQ
... maybe Jquery?
 
though.. for some people it probably IS a surprise :)
 
LONQ? JONQ? JINQ?
 
+1 for Jquery
 
2:11 PM
github.com/audiorouterdev/audio-router great idea, but it breaks everything
 
@Luggage An idea like "If we changed the voting system, we might end up with more fair results" implies that whoever currently won, won unfairly. That's already an insult to everyone who is happy with the result. And beyond that, it's still in the category of "Man, if everybody just switched to Linux...". People don't care. Who are you going to motivate to change the voting system? Seems like a waste of energy right from the start
 
I like it because it's easily differentiated from jQuery because of the capitalization, but still carries the prestige of name that jQuery has
 
It's maybe a fun idea to think about. Like world peace or solving hunger, but, who cares?
 
it's one of the things we SHOULD care about. trying to have a fair election system is more important than what a current politician might be doing.
 
@OliverSalzburg with your reasoning, there is no reason to change the voting system in USA ...
 
2:12 PM
Yeah, it's one of the many things one should think about. There are so many that people are tired and prefer to Netflix in their underpants
 
however it requires some changes IMHO
 
but I agree that there is NO momentum for a change in the election system in the US.
 
@KarelG Do whatever you have to do with the voting system, but I'm not holding my breath :D
 
I disagree
 
GO FOR LAUNCH!
 
2:13 PM
The problem with voting is that there is no 100% fair system, provably.
 
HOLD UR BREATH!
 
what kendall says is true tho
 
A great non-political video
 
@KendallFrey I disagree
Can we put this to a vote?
It's the only fair system I can think of
 
2:14 PM
there is no 100% fair system, but there are more fair systems
 
so they launched within the one second launch window?
 
@Vap0r disagreeing with math makes you look like a fool
 
but we can try to find a very fair system. But that means you have to exclude people with low IQ which makes it ... unfair :D
 
I like our global voting system we're using. Just kill everyone who isn't on your side and get the 100% camp going
 
@ssube Why not?
 
2:15 PM
those people influences the fairness of the voting system
 
Once you win, it's extremely fair
 
@KendallFrey it's not the math I disagree with, it's your definition of fair
 
At least subjectively
 
a 1 second launch window?
 
... fool
 
2:15 PM
@OliverSalzburg There's your German bias ;)
 
@Luggage that's what the announcer said
 
Oh fuck :D
 
@Luggage wow dude I've got feelings
 
crazy
 
to line the satellites up correctly, they had a 1 second window today and tomorrow
 
2:16 PM
@Luggage I think they just call those "instantaneous"
 
they know how long it takes to prep, so it's totally plausible, but damn
 
Those happen any time you have any specific inclination you need
 
but 1 second? that seems really precise
 
rocket science
 
not really
 
2:17 PM
^^
 
@KendallFrey let's see you do better
 
it's not like the rocket just goes as soon as it's ready
 
right, i get that.
 
@Vap0r lol don't tempt him
 
they time it pretty carefully
right up to the explosive bolts triggering liftoff, I'd guess
 
2:18 PM
I assume they always need a small course correction after they get 'into space' anyway and a few seconds off schedule would just be accounted for there.
 
 
@Luggage I figure they have the capability to correct several seconds worth of error, but they choose not to use it because they just don't need to.
@Vap0r that's so wrong I don't even know what happened
did he not have a launch rod?
always have a launch rod
 
@KendallFrey I think he did it's just extremely thin and flimsy, should have delayed launch due to high winds
EDIT: I've watched a couple more times it appears he didn't
 
Well something seemed to slow the rocket's fall, so it doesn't look like it was freestanding
 
@KendallFrey but what if I can't find a dude named rod to hold it? Will a launch Mike work as well?
 
2:23 PM
well it would probably clip
 
Looks like there is some type of stabilization pad on the bottom with wider support arms, but I couldn't make out any type of vertical launch rod
@rlemon my name is Mike!
And no, I won't hold your rocket while you attempt to blast off
 
@Vap0r yeah because of all the pixels
I wonder if it wasn't secure in the base
looks like it could have been loose, fallen over, and then caught
 
It's not their fault they're trying as hard as they can
I think he should have added a couple support struts
Wait the stream is over?
I wanted to watch the stage landing
 
NOAA told them to shut it down
 
No landing footage
They're dumping it in the ocean
 
2:26 PM
@KendallFrey this seems like you're making a joke?
@rlemon what?
why?
 
They don't land them all
 
@Vap0r no, they said that twice on the stream
They are doing a practice landing though
 
huh I wonder why.
 
me too
 
Is there something about the launch profile that makes this harder to land?
 
2:27 PM
Drone ship got lost
 
Attempting recovery of fairing falling down from space (right now) with our boat, Mr Steven. It’s a giant steel & webbing catcher’s mitt superstructure on a high-speed ocean ship. Godspeed, Mr. S …
 
On the other side of all things Musk, Tesla seems to be under water a fair bit.
 
But I thought the stage landing and fairing recovery were two separate operations
 
@Vap0r It may be that they just don't plan to reuse it again
 
@hilli_micha I think you're right. Which is perfect because I plan on getting a model S in 6 months it might bring down the price
 
2:28 PM
@Vap0r they are
 
@KendallFrey that's fair. A lot of weird things going on with this launch then. Do you know anything about how many times this particular stage has been reused?
They should have steered the 1st stage over to the chinese space station and used the leftover fuel to bring it down somewhere safe
 
@Vap0r just once I think
> Mr. Steven’s current destination as logged with marine traffic monitoring services is literally “YOUR MOMSHOUSE” which is I guess supposed to be a hilarious joke.
I love spacex
 
I think Kerbal Space program is making the average intelligence regarding satellites a lot higher than it would be in a typical chatroom
 
@Vap0r the first stage didn't even make it close to orbit. it's the first stage.
 
@Neil I have never played Kerbal Space program, all my experience and knowledge regarding rockets and satellites involves an intense desire to not miss any sexual innuendos
 
2:31 PM
what exactly are they trying to do with that again?
 
@KendallFrey oh, duh, yeah
I mean I was completely joking but it would have been funnier if it had a basis in reality
 
@Vap0r touchè. *giggles*
 
@GNi33 catch a fairing
 
I figured, but that's pretty crazy
 
@GNi33 (c) Person Name
lol
 
2:33 PM
they said it was crazy to land a rocket on a boat
 
They were right
 
I want to land a boat on a rocket
 
But musk was righterer
 
it is crazy
but the good kind
 
@Luggage if you flip the video upside down that's basically what's happening
 
2:36 PM
savage
 
I didn't get to see your response :(
#SpaceX cut off video from the second stage just two seconds before SECO. Possible theory could be that video during ascent is for operational purposes while anything afterward would be "remote sensing" which, if carried out by a U.S. entity, falls under NOAA authority...
A little info on possible reason for the NOAA cutoff, not sure if it was already posted
 
Man Who Cried Himself To Sleep Last Night Has Some Great Ideas For Growing Company's Brand https://trib.al/g0td6uO
 
Productive crying
nice
 
better than reproductive crying
 
that's when you cry on a gremlin
 
2:42 PM
@KendallFrey ouch the article is a bit uncomfortable, could you please avoid posting things that make me confront the harsh realities of life and disappointment?
More memes plz
 
do SpaceX always deploy the fairing while the second stage is going? why is that the best time?
 
drop the weight as soon as the air is thin enough
my guess
also, the g-forces might be less there than at the end of the first stage
 
yeah, you need to be high enough that it won't stick to the rocket or hit it again
that's ruined so many of my kerbal's days :(
 
I wasn't even thinking that, just that the drag vs weight trade might have shifted in favor of no fairing at that point
 
oh, yeah
 
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2:52 PM
@KendallFrey best out of context star ever
 
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#ForgotHowToGoogle is the fairing particularly expensive?
 
probably one of the cheaper parts (but still not too cheap, needing to be light and strong and made to a high standard)
#Didn'tGoogle
 
user1596138
I got logged out randomly
 
user1596138
And I would think customizing and running the boat would be very, very expensive lol
 
user1596138
I'll have to look it up later
 
3:00 PM
 
user1596138
Just wonder if it's for practical reasons or for publicity/fanbase/"we're innovating" reasons
 
Hi guys
I wish we could have a same law here :)
 
hi
 
hai o/
 
:|
 
3:15 PM
How much hours does developers has to spend in a company in foreign countries?
in day
 
was going to leave, then someone came up with a serious problem ticket
that is sooooo annoying
@Learning-Overthinker-Confused if you are curious, my regular work hours is 40h per week, but I do 43~45 on average
 
that means 8 hours a day
Nice
 
I work for another company too (electronics), so in total 60~70 hours per week
 
Do you guys are paid for working overtimes?
 
no. But we can recover it
well, my company allows it. I am team lead. I am kinda flexible on that
 
3:17 PM
I have heard you are being paid in Uk and USA
 
i am from Belgium
 
and what if there is deadline so do you sit up to late night also?
 
my first few years here it was somewhat normal to be up here till 2am on launch days (launching a new site or product,) but now things are planned out much better so there's no need to be up here that late.
 
@Learning-Overthinker-Confused I cheat a bit :P
 
developers should never be up at 2am unless they want to be. you don't develop in real-time.
 
3:21 PM
plus now days we tend to be taking sites down, rather than putting up new ones
 
deadline is day X but when assigning issues and tasks, the deadline is day X - 2 :P
 
yeah... they always planned launching shit way earlier than we could do it within 8 hour work days.
 
if the job is done at that deadline, my team gets two days for free automatically
or less, depends
I just enter it as work hours
 
Actually i have been told to give project plan of whole module so i always give less time for that even though there are lots of things to do in that module and because of that i everyday ends up sitting up to 10 pm
In order to achieve deadline
 
god, windows speech recognition is rubbish
 
3:24 PM
So this is kinda frustrating me
 
fix the problem
 
I dont have experience of creating project plan hence i give less time thinking that my CEO will not like it and will think that i have given way too much time
 
having a good project plan comes with experience
:)
 
When creating project plan i dont realize problems and for that i dont have a plan and when i start working on it,lots of problems and some other small task comes in and because i that delay comes
 
yup
we don't really do deadlines here anymore
 
3:27 PM
Actually i am a developer and i am having 3.5 years of experience in developing only
So do you guys think i should have knowledge of creating a good project plan and sprint planning?
 
deadlines don't really make sense when you only have 1 dev that's also expected to do a lot of unplanned non-dev stuff regularly
 
I have been judge in my company in lacking to do this things
 
under promise over deliver
 
So i am thinking that i am very behind.I should have learn all this things
 
user1596138
 
3:36 PM
damn, pattern matching is pretty amazing
 
@BartekBanachewicz I thought you did Haskell, you're supposed to know that
 
@KendallFrey wait, hmm, actually I think this doesn't compile :(
case (maybeEqA, maybeEqB) of
    -- meta-equality is only used if both eq functions are the same
    (Just eq, Just eq) -> callRef eq [a,b]
    _ -> return [Boolean False]
sucks.
I can match both Justs at once, but I can't check if they're equal
 
Why use case?
 
@KendallFrey to match both Justs?
 
@rlemon @FlorianMargaine @KendallFrey @FartyMcFartface Happy. Friday!
 
3:39 PM
I don't know what you're trying to do but it smells like normal pattern matching could do it
 
@KendallFrey what do you mean by "normal" pattern matching?
like in function params?
 
function pattern matching I guess
that's the one I use all the time
 
luaEQHelper a b = do
    maybeEqA <- getMetaFunction "__eq" a
    maybeEqB <- getMetaFunction "__eq" b

    case (maybeEqA, maybeEqB) of
        -- meta-equality is only used if both eq functions are the same
        (Just eqA, Just eqB) -> if eqA == eqB then callRef eqA [a,b]
                                              else return [Boolean False]
        _ -> return [Boolean False]
I need a monadic operation beforehand :)
 
I don't know what some of those functions are
 
all my code
 
3:41 PM
Yeah I can't follow that
but
 
a and b are Values, which potentially have metafunctions attached to them
so I extract the __eq for both, and i call that iff they both have it and it's the same function
potentially only one could have it, that's why I use case to dump all the possibilities into _
 
myEq a b (Just eqA, Just eqB) | eqA == eqB = callRef eqA [a, b]
myEq _ _ _ = return [Boolean False]
I think of something like that
with the clause enforcing equals
 
eqA and eqB are extracted from a and b, not passed from the outside
 
That wasn't supposed to replace the whole function
 
I'd need another layer on top doing just the extraction
yeah
your version is effectively equivalent, but it needs two more _ :)
 
3:45 PM
it does?
 
I mean, as opposed to me matching just on the tuple of functions
 
oh
psh
 
I often use helpers like you propose, but I don't think this warrants a name in this case
 
Oooh! Reddit has a worst state competition and everyone defended Florida!
 
Oh case does support guards as well
I never use it so didn't realize
 
3:47 PM
oopsie, I also made a bug
I should've checked if both values are the same beforehand
 
case (maybeEqA, maybeEqB) of
    (Just eqA, Just eqB) | eqA == eqB -> callRef eqA [a,b]
    _ -> return [Boolean False]
perhaps
 
this is nice
@KendallFrey yeah, that's what I wanted. cool.
 
hail haskell
 
my eyes *-*
 
hfafiflf fhfafsfkfeflfl
 
3:50 PM
@Ikari come on, it's super readable
 
@KendallFrey hfeflflfo
 
sftfffuf fKfafmfifl
 

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