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1:00 PM
!!help !!backup
 
@DenysSéguret Command !!backup does not exist. Did you mean: backup
 
!!help backup
 
Smartass
 
@towc backup: backs up the bot memory
 
!!cleanup or wait in dread
 
1:05 PM
@towc wait in dread
 
I don't think my stream is working
 
when did you become a weird pattern of dots? I like this new style
 
loved the message at top
 
I plugged a usb webcam into an already running octopi server
hoping it's just needing a reboot and not a new cam
 
@rlemon It's a sailboat!
 
1:09 PM
@rlemon I've almost completed the maze
 
phew, reboot fixed it
work printer now has a stream !
 
uuuuh, you need a twitchplaysoctopi
so they can give commands to the 3d printer
and eventually burn the office down
that's when they win the game
 
You could print twich chat
Could you do that with a 3D printer, is it fine enough to print a relief vertically?
 
sure
 
Twitch plays 3d printing
Give them manual control
 
1:13 PM
@towc not you
 
@Cereal it's always about me for you, isn't it? me me me. I should never have married you
that said, please take me back
I'll stop drinking and will take care of the kids, I promise!
 
.. to Italy
 
I'll even sell the cocaine stash
 
what a waste of perfectly good cocaine
 
you're right, works better than salt for the kids
they always ask for seconds, even with the veggies
@littlepootis never
 
1:24 PM
oh man, OVH has really good prices on servers today: ovh.com/us/black-friday
 
oh shit, I shouldn't have renewed for a year
 
Welp, time to compare to linode
 
@DenysSéguret heh, right. I've been moving to AWS annual RIs.
@Cereal they don't go down constantly, their DNS works, and their network isn't full of DDOS boxes.
They have more than two identically-configured routers and they notify you before migrating boxes.
 
I haven't had a bad experience with linode, support's been good
Just seeing what I"m paying for, since OVH is literally 4x cheaper right now
 
1:29 PM
soyoustart.com/us is just ridiculous
$35 mo for a 32GB box
@Cereal odd. We have a half-dozen legacy servers on them at work and I get paged almost on a daily basis about some network issue on their side.
 
Huh. I think mine's gone down 3 times, and one of those was my fault
and the one that was my fault, support still told me how to fix it lol
 
My so old dedicated...
 
I can't figure out how to see what plan I have with linode
oh, nvm
 
> BestOf Premium 08
that is quite old
 
Yeah, it was OK in 2008
 
1:34 PM
I'm surprised they haven't pushed you onto a new plan
even just so they can renew the hardware
 
Are you joking ? They're happy to take me loads of money monthly with no hardware costs
 
^-- common strategy
 
The server hosting Miaou and dozens of server applications has 4GB RAM and a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz
 
@Loktar @rlemon @KendallFrey woop-woop-woopidoo!
 
@KarelG it is, but OVH has done refreshes on a few server lines
discontinuing them and offering folks an upgrade/discount to move
 
1:37 PM
These are a better value than linode even without the discount
 
@Cereal are you comparing their VPS or dedicated?
 
vps
 
for the low-end shared VPS, you may get the occasional iowait/steal warnings, but I've never seen it last more than a second or two
they don't have the same burst-protection that somewhere like AWS does
 
My usage is so low, I doubt I'd even notice
 
grafana has noticed, I haven't
 
1:39 PM
The comparable plan with linode is 10/m, for the cheapest vps plan on ovh
and it's 2.24 right now on ovh
Smaller disk though
 
you can add disk to their VPSes
 
Yeah I saw that, 7/50Gb
 
depends on whether it's a public cloud vm or... not
 
that is fucking cheap
 
Could probably get away with their 10GB one. Only using 7.8GB on the linode
I mean, 20 is only like a dollar more
but I could get 8gb of ram and 2 cores for 7.28
Canada isn't an option for the account creation
 
1:51 PM
@FlorianMargaine @Loktar @KendallFrey I should print a friday
 
you're all late
 
@rlemon rebecca lithophane
 
user379888
Hi. I have built a chat app. Whenever there is a new message the scrollbar doesnt go to the new message. I tried using jquery's scrollTop but when there is more text than the height of the page, the scroller doesnt move to the bottom
 
user379888
if($('.msg_container_base').append(message_html))
            {
                $(".msg_container_base").animate({ scrollTop: $(document).height() }, 1000);
            }
 
@KendallFrey OMG, rebecca black friday pic lithophane printed in black pla on black friday
fuck my life couldn't get any better than it is right now
 
1:54 PM
I don't think a lithophane would work with black, but... good idea
BTW, today's not just "a" friday
 
fixed
 
OVH has a different canadian site
 
SYS
I have two servers with them
 
they split things up weird
 
@KendallFrey @Loktar @Luggage @ssube Freaky Friday it is
 
1:56 PM
gah
 
OVH EU, OVH NA, SYS, and Kimsufi (unless I'm missing some)
@rlemon those teeth are freaky
 
@rlemon If I have veto power, I'd like to use it.
 
lol
 
Even if I only have one.
 
Still a better price than linode
Went with the cheapest one. 40/y vs 120/y
 
1:58 PM
time to take out the trash and play more rimworld
and I'm all out of trash
 
running out of trash in rimworld is harder
 
user379888
Can someone tell me how to get the overall height of an element whose overflow is not hidden and has a scrollbar?
 
you need the sum height of the children, no?
 
Read that as elephant
 
2:03 PM
@rlemon Is that going on your desk next to a pic of Holly?
 
I don't have a pic of Holly on my desk
 
veto
 
I do have wednesday frog and a Trump Screw
 
Anymore, now its this one
 
@Luggage do you have a pic of a handbag on your desk then?
 
2:04 PM
@rlemon why?
 
user379888
I have a div of height 300. Its gets appended with chat messages. I want to be move to the newest message in the chat when someone sends it
 
@FlorianMargaine she works here
if I wanna see her I can walk to the other room
 
meh
excuses
 
I expected better from you, traitor
 
2:05 PM
Everytime materialui causes me trouble overriding its styles with a stylesheet, i want to ditch it more and more.
 
@FlorianMargaine lol
 
!!undo
I need to add a !!hide command to shorten the timeout for oneboxes
 
Can't believe it's Friday already..
Time flies
 
user719662
does anyone know if there's a SO question concerning whether in JavaScript, CSS "height", "width" etc. styles are defined to be strings with "px" added or integers?
 
Though I stay at home and do nothing all day everyday.
 
user719662
Or maybe anyone knows the spec part where it's defined?
 
2:31 PM
that's up to the CSS spec and where/how it requires units
 
user719662
that's what I could've found.
 
user719662
it defines them as DOMString
 
user719662
but that still doesn't say if it's mandatory by the spec to have 0 with dimension, or dimensionless.
 
user719662
so no, it's not "up to the CSS spec" IMVHO, because spec explicitly allows both dimensionless zero and zero with dimension.
 
user719662
After the '0' length, the unit identifier is optional.
 
user719662
That's all. It only says I can input both "0" and "0px".
 
user719662
It still doesn't say whether e.g. w3.org/TR/1998/REC-CSS2-19980512/visudet.html#propdef-width should/can emit "0" vs "0px".
 
user719662
i.e. should I check for both, or is checking for "0px" (since that's what most browsers return) enough.
 
I might be misunderstanding, but if you look at the recent spec
> For zero lengths the unit identifier is optional (i.e. can be syntactically represented as the <number> 0). However, if a 0 could be parsed as either a <number> or a <length> in a property (such as line-height), it must parse as a <number>.
so it doesn't matter if 'width' defines it because 'width' defines <length> and zero length is well defined.
@vaxquis are you parsing the css? or inspecting the elements?
 
user719662
2:43 PM
@rlemon that's not the case I'm dealing with.
 
user719662
JS, inspecting.
 
user719662
currently, I'm on the safe side with
 
user719662
if ( st.width == 0 || st.width === "0px" ) {}
 
well then, it's even more fun. because afaik that's upto the browser to determine if they're returning a raw value, or a computed one.
 
user719662
I'm just wondering if it's defined in the spec anywhere what the browser should return in this case.
 
user719662
2:45 PM
e.g.
 
user719662
st.width = 0; console.log( st.width );
 
user719662
"0px"
 
user719662
that's Chrome, that's FF.
 
user719662
dunno about other browsers.
 
user719662
note that it can as well return "" if the style is not set at all - but that's not my use case, thankfully.
 
2:47 PM
how about just parsing it back to a number always?
if( parseInt(el.style.width, 10) === 0 ) {
  // blah
}
 
user719662
I don't have any problem with parsing it.
 
user719662
I have a problem with spec.
 
what's wrong with the spec?
 
maybe, it just does not fit well for him
 
user719662
that it doesn't define what's the return value in this case precisely, or I'm too blind to find the part by myself?
 
user719662
2:50 PM
@KarelG if that was a shot at irony, then it missed.
 
@vaxquis .width always expects an unit identifier. It allows to use '0' simply because that value is same for all unit identifiers. A sorta shortcut.
 
@KarelG hey
can i set some parameters here?
if (!map.has(o.name) //parameters)
 
please don't ping random people
 
like o.type == 'some string'
 
2:57 PM
is he a vamp yet?
 
how do you know i was pinging random people? @ssube
 
you just proved it ...
 
that, and general questions can be asked without pinging the last speaker
 
you need to clarify your question tho, Traitor
 
i did o.type == 'some string' and it ignored it
 
2:58 PM
doing that is just a nuisance
@Traitor ignored it how? Post a minimal, complete, reproducible example.
 
how do you know it's a nuisance?
 
!!welcome Traitor
 
@Traitor Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
map.has(foo) means if the Map map has a key which is equals to the key foo
 
@KarelG ok
 
2:59 PM
you've been warned numerous times, stop being a pest
 
it is ok ssube
 
i was already working with Karel, why dont you stop falsely assuming things and scroll up to catch up
@embarassing
 
@KarelG not talking about this specifically
 
@Traitor you could have said just that from the beginning
 
Traitor, please drop that. Just continue with your development job you have atm
 
3:00 PM
i was talking to Karel, not u 2
 
then get a room
 
I know ssube. Don't worry, I will show him the lines if he crosses it again
 
@KarelG fyi this is a known troll, many kicks and name changes. Ace/Halie
 
@towc a hotel room ? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
ah TIL then
 
sure, if you're into men pretending to be women
 
3:01 PM
meh I do not care much.
 
how progressive :P
 
hey can u stop talking to me/about me?
 
If the person does not change/improve, I just give up and tell him/her to go on
 
@Traitor make a MCVE, and everyone else move on. Warnings have been made, things have been done.
 
@Traitor When we want to, we will
 
3:02 PM
move the fuck on.
quicker is better
 
@rlemon ? i just asked Karel a follow up question
that's all i did
 
You are always so defensive ...
 
yeah move on rlemon, ffs :P
 
and now my foot is down. if you have a question, make it a good question. but we need to move on from the debates, because they never end well for the person defending that they shouldn't have been kicked.
I'm trying to help you
 
@towc quit exacerbating
 
3:04 PM
* opens dictionary *
 
This is intense
 
ugh what did i do
i just asked Karel a question
i dont know what to say..
 
@Traitor you were not kicked for asking a question, although you could have been more clear that Karel was helping you. You were kicked for promptly following up "don't be a pest" with "i was talking to Karel, not u 2"
you're rude to the folks who try to help and anyone in the vicinity
post an MCVE
 
what's an MCVE if you dont mind me asking
 
!!tell Traitor mcve
 
3:06 PM
seriously.. what part of move the fuck on are we not getting? you were kicked, you are back. ask the question and we'll move on too. let me repeat, continuing it will not end well. it never has and never will. nip it in the bud asap and we can all be a happy family again.
2
 
@Traitor If you would like assistance, please create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable Example
 
7 mins ago, by ssube
@Traitor ignored it how? Post a minimal, complete, reproducible example.
we've been over this with you how many times now?
 
sure im looking at that right now
 
We're all family???????
 
yes
 
3:07 PM
huh, this is kind of clever:
🚨📣 Here is my special Black Friday Deal for you 🏷 I offer you to buy 1 pixel of my future iPhone X's lockscreen for just 0.0007 USD 💵 https://blackfridaypixel.sale cc @levelsio @andreasklinger @rrhoover @Nivo0o0 @maxstoiber @i_am_fabs @ProductHunt
 
give me a second please
 
aw, I wanted to star that
 
rlemon that makes me happy man.
 
@towc you are too young to remember million dollar homepage
 
Am I a part of it too..?
 
3:08 PM
$1/px, 1 million pixels for sale
 
nvm
 
dude made a fucking million bucks.
pretty sure close to it
 
I know it went well
 
heh, those were the days
 
Guys? Do you all know/remember me. I come here often .. am I a part of the family too
 
3:09 PM
that is because it got lots of attention
 
@KendallFrey bgr.com/2017/11/23/enceladus-mission-saturn-moon-yuri-milner I'm hoping Yuri, Elon, and Richard will start the new space race
 
@Abhi only if you eat your veggies
 
IIRC most purchases were for advertisements
 
ofc u are @Abhi
 
from reddit:
> *Whisper in Musk's ear "Will you really let a Russian beat you on this ground shattering discovery?"
*Turns to Richard Branson "Elon and Yuri are laughing at you saying a nerd like you can never outdiscover them."
*Turns to Yuri "Musk and Branson are partnering up when they heard about your plan. That's quite insulting to be honest."
2
 
user719662
3:10 PM
@rlemon good reading, thanks.
 
three eccentric billionaires all racing for ET.
 
Thanks.. :)
 
anything they come up with will also be sustainable and probably profitable, unlike the last space race
 
I can't wait for elon musk to take over the world
 
s/over/under/
 
3:12 PM
How do you take under the world
 
he's already building his underground empire
they recently did an Initial Hat Offering
 
okay here is a fiddle
im trying to figure out how to add a parameter after the initial 'if' condition
the answer should be Discover,5, however, i get Discover,7
 
== is equality, not assignment, so (x == y) will always end up as true or false
thus, map.has(o.type == 'withdrawal') will only ever test for map.has(true) or map.has(false)
 
ok
 
Sounds boring
 
3:19 PM
ugh, why am i getting 7 though
in line 6, type: 'deposit' makes the condition false
yet the code 'adds' onto
 
Traitor ... Did i not have asked you to comprehend my snippet. Why I have used a map? There is not much difference from my fiddle that I gave to you, the /1/ ?
I did not know that you were either Ace / Halie but I really don't care much about the users. What matters is that you are not improving over time
 
sounds like you need some Knowledge
@Loktar man, now I'm super tempted to print a Tai lithophane
 
i dont know how to use map in a way that i can control the 'if' condition
 
what are you trying to do?
 
just tell map to ignore anything that's not 'widthdrawal'
if (!map.has(o.name) && !map.has(o.type == 'withdrawal'))
it ignores my code and adds a type of 'deposit'
 
3:25 PM
did you even read what ssube said?
 
yea, shouldnt the condition go false and not do the 'add' operation?
if(condition1 && condition2) --> code
 
your conditions are wrong
read what ssube said
 
i dont know what it means
 
what part?
 
wait
i think i know what he means now
!map.has(o.type -- 'withdrawal') does not make sense
because o.type is an object/array
not a string
im making a dumb comparison
 
3:30 PM
why are you using map anyways?
 
to map name, value as unique
so it'l be an array of name, value, elminating duplicates
 
so you want to accumulate similar types into a single object?
 
under the condition that the 'type' array has 'withdrawal'
i can do a 'for' loop but im not learning new things
 
rlemon, he is working from a previous problem
 
i'd like to learn map/foreach
 
3:33 PM
@KarelG yes and I'm trying to understand what it is
 
you can learn from reading the documentation
check the previous fiddle: jsfiddle.net/wt3fgyL0/1
the comment there should be sufficient
 
the array changed
 
did not know he wanted to expand on other filtering mechanism. But that is a simple extra if tbf
 
yes, so he wants to accumulate the values on the 'single' object (array in the results)
 
i thought i could filter it on my own lol
from fiddle/03/
 
3:35 PM
wouldn't a filter reduce work better than a map? because you have to still check every item. you don't get the out of the box dupe filtering.
 
get: name, value where type = 'withdrawal'
absorb duplicates
i didnt let Karel know i wanted an additional filter mechanism
and i should be researching anyways, il look it up
 
just an advise, so that you would not waste time
try to accomplish your goal with a simple for-loop
if you got your goal, try to convert to array functions ( .filter + .reduce )
or experiment with each array functions individually
 
good night
 
someone talking?
 
rlemon
 
3:49 PM
I guess it's just nobody
ohh well
 
Abhi and I are the same person
 
haven't seen somebody in weeks
 
Yeah.
 
why do you have two accounts?
 
(pro tip: it's generally against the rules)
 
3:52 PM
no it isn't
 
it's just odd
 
depends on why you have them, and what you do with them
 
when i was new to SO, i couldn't ask questions if any of my question got downvoted too much. so i had to create a new one
 
so you did it to circumvent a question ban?
 
new account
 
3:53 PM
because that's super against the rules.
 
you didn't have to, you could have asked better questions
 
Ruh roh
 
that's circumventing?
oh shii
 
they said "here is the rule" you said "ha, fuck you I'll just make a new account"
 
just ask to have the accounts merged
 
3:53 PM
i dont do it anymore..
 
that's usually the "punishment"
 
the point of a question ban isn't to give you a fresh start, but to prevent you from asking more question *until you can figure out how to ask good questions
 
so abandon one of the accounts, or merge them
@towc *until you can figure out how to ask good questions
 
i haven't used this account in more than six months.. i will abandon this one
 
it's not like you'll get in trouble retroactively
 
3:54 PM
like ssube said, it's odd
especially since you're now in the chat with both
and it appears to be sketchy
I feel sketchy every time I use caps account to speak.
 
it is
 
im not doing anything .. i thought it's kind of fun
 
I'm my own person
 
you were breaking the rules tho. maybe you're not banned now, but you said at one point you were
 
@Nobody like I said, you won't get banned or anything anymore, it's just a bit odd
 
3:56 PM
so it started malicious, and now just doesn't matter (I guess)
but like, don't do it again :D
 
um.. so i shouldn't ask a question ..?
 
you should
that's the whole point of this site :P
 
@KarelG thanks for the advice :3 cheers
 
i thought it was to distribute thingiverse links
 
I thought this was a 3D printing enthusiast forum
 
3:58 PM
rlemon so my nozzle got all gunked up and I want to clean it. I think the failed doggo and wiping the remnants off on the next dog did it. Which is better, putting it in the oven or soaking it in acetone?
 
and tree enthusiasts
 
im going to eat dinner..!!afk dinner
 
@ssube how bad is it?
pic
 
@Nobody you shouldnt tell people that u have smurfs
unless ur towc
 
buy a new hardened steel nozzle
 
3:59 PM
because if it's just on the nozzle head itself, preheat the nozzle and hit it with some 0000 steel wool.
 

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