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3:00 PM
Nitpicking literally isn't your job
 
@MadaraUchiha Actually, programming is your job.
 
@ssube like google analytics? I think so, but we have custom statistics pages that run daily digests to our emails
 
Nitpicking is what makes a programmer good at their job.
 
@Retsam All part of the package.
 
programming is overrated
 
3:00 PM
@SterlingArcher yeah, set up GA (takes 30 seconds) and then start tagging your game events as analytic events. GA has server-side libs too, so you can notify it when players actually do stuff.
It has fairly good reporting, or you can dump the data and run your own etl job over it.
 
@ssube here's the current (part of) data we're working with. We see these players joining, but they're not sticking around. So our focus is identifying why
 
> Jade has been renamed to Pug. You can find the new repo here: github.com/pugjs/jade
wat
 
That's why I appreciate all the tutorial feedback :)
 
I imagine the UI data you'd get from GA could help
 
@SterlingArcher Because the game, as it is, is awkward to play, and looks bad.
 
3:02 PM
I'll ask Hope is he uses GA
 
it shows button clicks, where the mouse lingers, everything you can get without strapping a webcam to your users
 
You have much too much noise for any actual DDD at the moment IMO
 
@ndugger Jade doesn't do anyone any favors...
 
You need to get big improvements out there first, then fine tune with analytics.
 
and then developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/… will let you add game-specific events
 
3:03 PM
@Trasiva aye, I've never liked jade
 
I like my html to feel like html
 
It starts bad habits that I don't want to come behind and fix.
 
@ssube GA lacks one critical feature for game analytics though
The ability to tell where this specific user navigated to, where did he go on the map, then on his profile, then back to the map, etc.
 
@MadaraUchiha well, from playing, what do you suggest focus should be on?
 
@MadaraUchiha Custom events handle most of that, no?
 
3:05 PM
@SterlingArcher I haven't seen all the screens, but keyboard control is a must. The pixel art can use a lot of work too.
 
@jAndy you still around?
 
@ssube No, because you don't get to track specific user sessions, it's all anonymous.
 
@SterlingArcher opengameart.org
 
@MadaraUchiha How many times a player rps some sort of sexual/flirty act? Because from my online experience, I'm not sure there are too many analytics that could handle that kind of exponential increase.
 
3:05 PM
Well, seeing as we have one Pixel artist available maybe 1 day a week... that's not going to improve fast
 
my spirit is always around
 
Keyboard control for what? Navigation on the map?
 
hovering the game-waters
 
@SterlingArcher Navigation, conversation, response selection, actual response
 
@ssube we agreed that even though art would be slow, we have a "style" we'd like images to flow with
 
3:06 PM
keyboard control for everything
 
response selection? what?
 
There's nothing stopping you from adding keyboard controls to everything, in addition to mouse.
 
@SterlingArcher you can probably hire the folks from OGA's IRC channel. Their rates are pretty good and most of them can follow along with existing art.
 
@SterlingArcher General menu selection
To choose a quest, to choose a response to an NPC, etc.
 
I'll run it by the team
 
3:07 PM
I like to play keyboard only
Some like to play mouse only
 
@Abhishrek hangouts?
 
Most people like it somewhere in the middle.
2
 
@Loktar sure
 
@MadaraUchiha phrasing
 
@jAndy Haha, gotta q for you. I am reading that article you sent me. So we have the JS stack. It does 1 thing at a time and as the contexts are added (global, function, and eval), they take their turns on the stack and slowly finish themself. a closure/IIFE I assume is still a function context. So since these contexts are their own scope/this, I guess I am confused on how closure's are removed from the global area?
It sounds like a function would have its own zone/scope away from the global object due to the function context and global context. Does that make sense at all?
 
3:09 PM
Oh lawd, the map is a table of tiles
 
@ssube the game doesn't generate profit anymore. Hope keeps it alive out of pocket because he loves it, doesn't do it for the money (like the old owner did) and believes in his staffers
 
@MadaraUchiha besides canvas, how else would you do it?
 
@ssube canvas
 
He's a really good guy. A very talented engineer too
 
@Austin A closure is nothing else than a single-chain in reality. Each context keeps track of all Execution Context's above it
it's like a dynamic growing and shrinking bubble
and at the end there is always the Global Context that creates the bubble
 
3:11 PM
@jAndy elaborate. How are execution contexts like bubbles?
 
yeah honestly canvas and just send an integer for tiletype
 
@SterlingArcher What's the current motivation?
 
you could get away with SVG, if somehow Canvas was an issue.
 
Are you hoping to make it profitable again?
 
Ohhh, so for the example of the i loop that adds its number to a button event. When it isnt in an IIFE, it those functions get added to the same context? But when its in a closure, they each move their own context stack?
 
3:11 PM
precisely
 
@Austin Here's how it is:
 
Whoa...I actually learned something and understood it :O
 
although, this is where things changed in ES6 and let statements
 
const
 
@rlemon I wonder if SVG with images is better (initially faster and wider support) than canvas. I imagine it's pretty equal.
 
3:12 PM
@keyframes poop {
  to { .. }
}
@keyframes poop {
  100% { .. }
}
 
(()=>{
  var foo = 1;
  var bar = 2;
})();
 
I prefer to, but every syntax highlighter fails...
 
Both foo and bar are on the same scope
 
@Austin it's not specific to a closure, it's a new function.
 
@ssube yeah canvas support is pretty vast now, I agree
 
3:13 PM
(()=>{
  var foo = 1;
  (()=> { var bar = 2; })();
})();
 
@MadaraUchiha profit is not the goal, no. Our goal is to just make the community lively again. We used to have thousands of daily players, with upwards fo 75-100 on at a single time
 
function context lexical environment record
 
svg could offer the benefit of scaling prettier I suppose
 
@Loktar old IE is the problem, and it doesn't have either
 
@ssube ie < 9
 
3:13 PM
Now, the inner function can see foo, but the outer function cannot see bar.
 
@Loktar I haven't played the game, SVG has scaling and event support
 
9 and up have canvas
 
so might be useful?
 
but pixel art works really well on canvas. I wrote a loader for Tiled maps and it was super easy.
 
I hate doing click events and drag events on canvas
 
3:13 PM
@rlemon yeah exactly scaling would be the huge benefit, to make it look pretty
 
@rlemon events could be super helpful
 
The game was killed by power hungry "forum mod" style staff. So a mix of "you get a ban, you get a ban! everybody gets a ban!" and a piss poor code base
 
@SterlingArcher also the times killed it
 
@Loktar if you can force it to do nearest-neighbor scaling
 
those were SUPER popular
 
3:14 PM
anything else ruins pixel art
 
and then died out pretty hard
 
We've revived it from a 20 average daily login to 100
@Loktar that too yeah, but many remain popular
 
same can be said for Flash portals
they are still existing, and some of the major ones do well, but overall they are a dying breed
 
Text based rpg's were the shit back in the day
 
@SterlingArcher I think getting it on the phone would be huge
 
3:15 PM
native app
 
@SterlingArcher getting it to work well on mobile will be huge
 
bundle it with whatever the phone bundle tool is now
 
Making it into a native app will be even bigger.
 
So to summarize (and excluding any edge cases at the moment). your FD's like var a = function() {}'s all go into the same context / stack? While all IIFE's (function() {})(); each get their own context / stack?
 
native app will be tough
 
3:15 PM
@Austin Each function gets its own scope
 
yeah just a wrapper would be easier for sure
 
launch a webview and load the page
 
@littlepootis nice
 
the native app doesn't have to be hard
 
@rlemon Yeah, don't do that...
 
3:16 PM
But mobile version exists (and is one of the more popular methods of playing) but we're turning the "main" site into a responsive layout so we don't have to double develop pages
 
I would include most of the scripts in the native app
 
or do.
 
just a webview will be a pretty lousy experience
 
@Austin Each function can see the variables of the context it was defined in
 
well yea, but it gets native app on day one :D then you can fuck with phonegap or w/e you want
 
3:17 PM
@rlemon Getting a native app on one day isn't necessarily a good thing
 
remake it in RPG maker and put it on steam
would be HUGE for it :p
 
As you'll be basically burning bridges for users who happen to download the lousy first version.
 
lol @SterlingArcher honest advice, just fix the map, make it scale-able, I think that is a really good starting point
 
rpg maker... man, that brings me back
 
that is where most of the action happens
and where it could be improved the most
 
3:19 PM
^
 
@Loktar that's Hope's main focus right now
 
@Loktar Just making it scalable wouldn't be enough without some higher res pixel art though
 
You could use Tiled to remap it if you so feel inclined
 
He's working on the map, Deadric is working on the mobile/responsive view, and I'm revamping shit UIs
 
Tiled is the best map tool
 
3:20 PM
Tiled is great
 
well, somebody call the Association of Holidays for Things That Should Never Happen, cause me and nick and meredith all agreed on a thing
 
@SterlingArcher So here's my advice to you, concerning shit UIs
The user doesn't care about the JS framework one bit.
The user cares most about how it looks, and how fast it loads.
 
get something light and clean, like MDL or Bootstrap with a clean theme
 
That should be your focus, with framework changes being minimal only to allow for the changes that are actually important.
 
@SterlingArcher make the game you want to play with the ui's you want to see. be passionate about what you want and hopefully the rest of the players will agree.
 
3:23 PM
@rlemon That part is obvious, but I trust that he asked here to get more opinions.
 
With the server migration, angular is a great tool to use. There's a slightly delay (nobody has complained) because the filtering options is provides still makes it 100x faster than page reloads for going to a new section. Plus once the actions become XHR the overall inventory system will be 1000x better than the old one
 
@MadaraUchiha correct, so you can keep like a cache / private information that way. I guess I getting confused on the scope when its an IIFE and when it is not.
 
And the UI got great feedback :)
 
(()=> {
  for (i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
    setTimeout(function() {
     console.log(i), i * 1000 })
  }
})();
versus
(() => {
  for (i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
    (function(x) {
      setTimeout(function() {
        console.log(x), i * 1000
      })
    })(i)
  }
})();
 
@Austin Here's why this doesn't work
 
3:24 PM
that's a disgusting swamp of braces and parens you have there
 
The inner function can see the i from the outer function
 
linebreaks pls
 
i just discovered that $location.search().queryStringKey is case sensitive. what is the best way to retrieve a query string value in angular in a case insensitive manner?
 
> SD was testing increasing the mobile map to take up the entire screen
 
And by the time anything gets called, i is 5, and the loop has finished
 
3:25 PM
Yay they're already doing the map things you guys suggested
 
Is it possible to invert a jQuery selector? I have in my code $(".viewAllCssClicked").each(function() { .... but I want to select all the elements that don't have the class viewAllCssClicked
 
@SterlingArcher Material's suggestions for mobile/map layouts are really good. They recommend what google maps does.
 
@Thaenor :not()
 
and can I $each the code inside the not?
 
3:26 PM
@Thaenor :not() is a pseudo class
 
$(".viewAllCssClicked").not(
$(this).each(function () { ....
like this?
 
I gotta get some work done, but guys seriously thanks for the feedback. means a lot to me!
 
!!tell Thaenor jquery not
 
Hopefully in a few months some major major changes will make PRPG a better game and you guys can play
 
3:27 PM
This ^
 
yup, I read that @CapricaSix ... wait, aren't you a bot?
 
nope
 
@Thaenor $(":not(.viewAllCssClicked)")
 
@NathanJones ah! awesome, that looks way clearer! Thanks!
 
3:30 PM
@Thaenor she is sentient
 
@Abhishrek she?
 
@MadaraUchiha So scope / context / stack-wise. Does it look like [global EC, timeout, timeout, timeout, timeout, timeout] or is it [global EC, timeout func] x5 all sitting on the stack in order?
 
she started as a bot but there was random chaos caused by micro js bugs
 
@Thaenor it's a she, yes
 
@Thaenor You think it's coincidence she was named after a Cylon?
 
3:30 PM
If that makes sense :P
 
she quickly started learning and acquired the personality for herself inspired by the Cylon Caprica, hence named herself caprica six.
 
@Austin Only functions that are defined within functions create nested scopes
So in the case of your example it:
[global, IIFE, setTimeout x 5]
And the second example:
 
Do you agree @CapricaSix
 
[global, IIFE, [IIFE(i=0), setTimeout], [IIFE(i=1), setTimeout], ....]
 
Ohh!!!
 
3:32 PM
@Thaenor of course
 
:0
@CapricaSix will you attempt to overthrow society because of our impredictability?
 
Stephen hawking and some Billionaire are making an announcement in about a half hour livestream.com/accounts/18650072/events/5143435
 
Aliens are real
 
2 questions from this (and thank you so far!).
1. That array, is that the JS stack or just a function context?
2. In these examples is the for-loop just happening in parallel, or where are the loops calls in regards to these contexts expanding/growing?
 
@Thaenor I'm very predictable.
 
3:33 PM
Pokemon will get another version
 
Bionic legs!
 
> Adobe Flash Player v10.1 or above is required for you to watch this video.
 
HALF LIFE 3 OMG
 
is their announcement that they are still using flash in 2016?
 
Duke Nukem Forever!!!!!
 
3:34 PM
@Austin the for loop will always happen first, then the timer events. do some research on "javascript event loop"
 
In all seriousness, who's handcrafting those responses?
 
pirates
 
@Thaenor the cloud
 
@Thaenor handcraft what
 
3:35 PM
HAMMAHTIME!
 
@ssube well played
 
halt!
 
HAMMERZEIT!
 
cap, stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
3:35 PM
cap!!!
 
I just wanted to share this selector I wrote -> $("viewAllCssClicked:not(.viewAllCssClicked)")
 
ew
 
wait, wat
 
I didn't know there was <viewAllCssClicked>
 
#customelementsmasterrace
 
3:37 PM
so have you guys seen the new game of thrones trailer
 
nop
 
@Meredith the fuck is game of thrones ?
 
it's pretty sick
 
oh wait the non-objectionable bdsm (incest) porn ?
 
do they only have the porn parody version in your country or something
 
3:38 PM
@Meredith oh now I saw the Honest Trailer xD
before watching it x(, looked like co-produced by Brazzers
 
I have no idea what you're talking about
 
@Meredith the porn parody of GoT is when they keep all their clothes on
and nobody dies
 
@Meredith now yes
 
@ssube and no one is related
 
!!youtube "Honest Trailer Game of Thrones"
 
damn unbox please!
!!undo
 
@Abhishrek I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Abhishrek
 
will I get fired if I watch this
 
It is beginning.
@Meredith Nah. You might look weird laughing through it.
 
I look weird when I'm not laughing
 
3:42 PM
aaaand none of the code I wrote this morning works :(
 
@rlemon you're lucky
I spent all this early week on a bug fixed by adding an argument to some random binary
 
@FlorianMargaine ow
 
I wrote this slide in modal.. works fine isolated. plug it into the product and the css is all fucky. fuck css, fuck modals, fuck keyframe animations
I'm going to lunch
 
> Mother of Dragons
 
I'd mother her dragons
 
3:44 PM
She is a mother of dragons
That's her deal
 
a or the?
 
Jay - you seem like a really interesting type of guy. Let's hang out. — Mrs Lisa Buckley 5 mins ago
 
Well there are other mothers of dragons
 
Yes
 
I thought it was a big deal because it's THE mother of dragons, which isn't something that usually happens
 
3:45 PM
They're just dead
 
> I need money to top up my electricity and my son has been left without a boster seat. I also don't have enough tattoos and need more and this money has to come from somewhere.
 
best profile ever
 
saddest*
 
so are we witness to an ex taking revenge on SO?
Lisa works at "Exes are losers"
 
Exactly what we want.
 
3:49 PM
This is definitely a revenge thing with her answer.
 
@rlemon looks like so.
 
the other answer is a bit weird too
 
@Trasiva Gone
 
@MadaraUchiha Yep, it just went down.
 
3:50 PM
Yeah, I killed it.
 
Nice
Definitely didn't need to be there.
 
Does it count as abusive?
 
Account's gone too.
 
except for posteriority
 
@Trasiva Yeah, killed that too.
 
3:51 PM
Now let's just trash the onebox
 
@MadaraUchiha You deserve a cake.
 
@JanDvorak We don't really have much of a tolerance space for spammers or trolls
 
@MadaraUchiha Do moderators not take their fun-allergy pills anymore?
 
but only suspect
 
that was gold, some of the best spam I've seen in years
 
3:52 PM
For you @MadaraUchiha.
 
@Trasiva I suspect that you lie.
 
@MadaraUchiha date == birthday && happybirthday
 
shit
a CS pie
 
@MadaraUchiha There really is cake.
 
@Trasiva Is it delicious and moist?
 
3:53 PM
@MadaraUchiha Soooo moist.
 
it just.. is
 
@MadaraUchiha yea that other account is another spam account: neowin.net/forum/topic/… reverse the image and it is a picture of OP
with weird egg eyes
David made some enemies it seems
 
with that grammar, I'm not surprised
has anybody seen Jan today?
 
@JanDvorak ?
 
I'm here. Whom should I correct?
 
3:55 PM
> I hope do god this fixes werid nextflix restarts in windows ten think was due to grapics driver and silerlight issues.
 
> For this build of drivers, on Windows 10 build 10162 breaks TF2. I had to roll back to 15.6, to restore functionality.
 
Abhi requested to not be corrected until 08 March 2016
 
just wanted to give you an aneurysm and/or accuse you of being the spammer
 
Thank god I run Linux
 
@JanDvorak 08 Match 2016 has passed over a month ago.
 
3:56 PM
@littlepootis where the drivers never, ever work.
 
*May
 
@ssube Really? I think not
 
hello
 
Fuck this grammar thing. Can:t we just invent some kind of quantum apostrophe:s?
 
@JanDvorak how would they work ?
 
3:58 PM
They stop existing when you see them.
 
quautem grammer
 
Heisenberg's Apostrophes?
 
Schrodinger's Apostrophes
 
!!afk noodles and stuff
 
can we modify javascript hardcoded value from cheat engine .
var i=10; // possible;
yyy.value="10"; //can we modify 10 here?
 

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