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2:00 PM
I'd love to discuss flux and react with people. If anyone here wants to discuss that - ping me.
 
and my mom could buy only bunch of apples with her salary
 
jsx might be a little to much at this moment
I think I will just use coffee script
 
so I would be more than glad to hear more how people are complaining more how they work at McDonalds but have the newest smartphones
anyways
@WillemD'haeseleer do you think it is useful to learn to code in coffee script?
 
@zigi I was really just trolling to get some reactions
I'm somewhat amazed I haven't been kicked out
 
I see, tell me more, cause I am kind of lame in terms of
jsx and coffeescipt
don't worry, people are cool here
 
2:03 PM
can someone please tell me why it takes 2.5weeks to make a flipping data stub?!
 
@zigi Coffeescript is an alternate syntax for javascript. It compiles to javascript. It's purely preferential
 
just that they like pushing each other around for fun
 
I'm no jsx expert, and I won't touch coffeescript anytime soon
Have you seen the yield PR ?
It's distasteful
 
@WillemD'haeseleer we don't have coffeescript anytime soon.
 
@WillemD'haeseleer what are you talking about
 
2:03 PM
@WillemD'haeseleer which yield PR?
 
that's what I asked him benjamin
 
@WillemD'haeseleer that was a really poor trolling attempt
I (we) assumed you're genuinely stupid.
 
agree
 
ah, I know what you are talking about
that's the same in python
 
2:05 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I actually promised someone in php chat room, that I will take a look at Flux
 
well almost
 
The bald eagle isn't very helpful ether
 
@tereško the software that makes your screen better
and your eyes hurt less
 
@BartekBanachewicz I won't deny it
 
@tereško :D
 
2:06 PM
dunno who that was .. then again, that's why there is search
in PHP, 4 hours ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
@tereško http://facebook.github.io/react/docs/flux-overview.html you might be interested in this too.
oh , right .. it was you
 
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@rlemon lol
 
:D
 
Sex LIKE M% ? What kind of values do you have in that column ? — dystroy 2 mins ago
strange schema...
 
@tereško I remember.
 
@rlemon I thought when you said flux you meant that: justgetflux.com
 
2:10 PM
Some things feel very nice about it and some things feel like a superglobal in it. Also the fact they use promises incorrectly in their tutorial is somewhat annoying.
 
@zigi I never said flux?
 
oh sorry, it was tereshko
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Do you have a blog or a twitter ?
 
@dystroy Why is that question even tagged as c#?
 
@WillemD'haeseleer I have GitHub, you can find me here or in IRC, I don't have time for a blog or twitter although I hope I will some day.
 
2:13 PM
No blog? Then where will we be reading up on your shenanigans when you're touring Europe?
 
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Reddit is like... Digg?
 
it is really funny to see how people that are not that good with computers correct you by saying "You mean mIRC." when you tell them about the IRC protocol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I want to maintain a blog too :(
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ok, twitter doesn't take up that much time tough, if you use it responsibly...
 
@Kippie dunno
 
2:14 PM
Don't have the time/energy/motivation for it =P
 
@WillemD'haeseleer you?
 
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@dystroy ['MALE', 'MONSTER-COCK_MALE', FEMALE', 'FAT FEMALE']
 
@Jhawins makes sense then. That's obvious in fact. Thanks
 
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Yeah that's the only way it'd make sense anyway to me
 
2:15 PM
@rlemon thanks, padawan
 
@WillemD'haeseleer Wait, your profile says you're from Belgium, excellent! What is there to do for two days in Belgium in October? (Probably a day in Bruges and a day in Brussels probably)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I tweet on occasion, I tried a blog once but then I didn't had enough time and so removed it
 
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Dashes and underscores mixed too, for unprofessionalism++
 
@Jhawins it's worse : spaces too
 
2:16 PM
I figured I've never been in Belgium and it could be an interesting place to visit so it's on my list. What's waste of time and what are good highlights? I'll be with my wife and we both like beer and art.
 
@WillemD'haeseleer it's also nice to have something to write about
 
there's a low dash, is there a high dash ?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have a lot of stuff to write about... I'm just lazy :D
 
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15 mins ago, by zigi
so I would be more than glad to hear more how people are complaining more how they work at McDonalds but have the newest smartphones
 
@FlorianMargaine god I love MutationObservers
 
2:17 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum s/life/wife ?
 
@Jhawins to be failr, he's probably looking for "male" and "man" (as opposite to "female" and "woman")
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I am from Belgium indeed, two days is not much time tough, what will you be in Belgium for ?
 
@Jhawins you are missing a single quote before FEMALE
 
@WillemD'haeseleer for fun, it's on the way from Paris to Amsterdam and it looked interesting.
 
2:17 PM
@Jhawins I have him ignored, so i didn't see that, but my phone is 3+ years old, is falling apart physically, and barely even has 3G, and yet I'm a programmer, and make tons more than a mcdonalds worker, lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum There's a guide through a brewery in Bruges. I didn't expect much from it, but it was very nice
 
@copy linkies?
 
@NickDugger that's why you don't have the newest phone, that's the irony exactly, cause I am the same
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Are you going to ng-europe ?
 
2:19 PM
@WillemD'haeseleer there are three people I'd like to talk to in Angular conventions, I talk to them occasionally on IRC and email anyway so probably not. Where/when is it?
That lineup looks pretty good though.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Being a regular lurker at /r/belgium, I just remembered this thread, and it might be of interest to you: reddit.com/r/belgium/comments/1shb9f/…
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ngeurope.org I thought you where going because you mentioned October and paris. I'm still not sure if I can go
 
@copy thanks I'll keep that.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh its no secret Apple is shit and I've always felt that way :P
 
@WillemD'haeseleer I live in the Netherlands, my brother lived in Brussel
so I agree with the things you said
 
2:21 PM
not trying to be anti hipster just an opinion I hold
 
@Loktar everyone is entitled to their own dumb opinion :)
 
@zigi That's cool, I've been in Rotterdam several times for work, nice people
 
And I'm saying that having no Apple devices myself at this point.
 
are you speaking dutch or french as a native tongue
 
@WillemD'haeseleer yeah I googled when you mentioned it the first time. Jeff and Misko will be there which is sweet but generally these conventions are not very interesting from my short experience.
 
2:22 PM
How did the hipster burn his tongue on the pizza? He was eating pizza before it was cool.
 
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@NickDugger Yeah I unignored him for 1 last chance and he said that shit.
 
in PHP, 3 mins ago, by Jack
@SirBT Drop PHP, do Java.
 
I dont give fifth chances.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum If my employer agrees I will go, but it's still not sure
 
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Let's not complain about him here. We've both shrunken him. Good enough :)
 
2:23 PM
@FlorianMargaine oh well
 
Dutch, my french is about as good as my erlang
 
who here uses typescript for angular dev?
 
I use neither.
 
the percentage of 256 colors went up recently?
 
2:24 PM
@WillemD'haeseleer goed om te horen :D (sorry no more dutch)
 
EEGADS! GASP!? He linked to w3schools!?
 
@RalphWiggum don't link to w3schools here it's considered bad mannered.
 
@FlorianMargaine let's star it
 
@RalphWiggum use web-safe colours
 
@NickDugger Nick, tell me one thing, if I make myself a new profile and act normal, you would talk to me, if I act abnormal but then change to my proper state, you wouldn't talk to me, isn't that a bit strange?
 
2:26 PM
@RalphWiggum see this w3fools.com
 
@BartekBanachewicz even though 0.5% of people require websafe colors? :u
 
@BartekBanachewicz well I should have figured if anyone wanted to start an argument about opinions it would be you :P
 
@WilfredoP yes, I've read it before. I'm not even sure if that website applies to their statistics page.
 
@WillemD'haeseleer it sounds nice, but honestly these conventions don't sound too interesting.
Angular is kind of boring :)
 
Can you wait like... more than 15 minutes before stirring shit, bud
 
2:26 PM
@WilfredoP that site is shit now fyi
 
yep, I went to the ExtJS one in Amsterdam and it was boring
 
old and outdated
 
It was more interesting when the concepts were new to the web.
 
maybe they should take their own advice and make it a wiki
 
It's still a good framework for some use cases, just kind of boring.
 
2:27 PM
hahaha I love how the site is just a single page now
 
@Loktar I love bashing uneducated opinions of others, yes.
 
with like no information
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Do you attend meetups and user groups every now and then ?
 
no hard feelings.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol thats fine if you want to call it uneducated you're wrong though :)
 
@Loktar isn't that the direction the web is going to?
 
and I love telling people when they are wrong
 
fastest internet i have had in my city
 
@Loktar tell me why am I wrong.
 
and belongs to a hospital :|
 
2:28 PM
@zigi You are irritating, our deal still stands
 
No need to, you just are :)
no point in arguing your wrongness
 
@Loktar I thought you love it.
 
I didnt say I love arguing it
 
I always like to listen to people bashing Apple
 
2:28 PM
just said I love telling people when they are
 
@WillemD'haeseleer every now and then, but I find online interactions more interesting professionally. When I sit with room regulars and other developers I know it's usually for a beer.
We rant about code though :)
 
1 times of 10 someone actually has a valid argument
 
Im not arguing over your opinion of Apple
 
@WillemD'haeseleer seems interesting, thanks
 
but most of the time it's just FUD.
 
2:28 PM
Im arguing over you saying my opinion is uneducated
in fact my last job was an Apple shop (as in they just used Apples)
so I used macs daily
 
Interesting.
 
@zigi It's a cool meet-up, the organizer is a friend of mine, make sure to say hi if you go ;)
 
Tell me about it.
 
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2:30 PM
@Jhawins hi
 
scroll down a little bit, be amazed
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum that doesn't have to be a bad thing ;)
 
Most of web developers I know use Macs, by the way
 
@FlorianMargaine woah thats a crazy effect
 
I can compare Apple to a Pagani, robust, nice looking, and really expensive, but nothing more from PC with linux than nice and easy design
 
2:30 PM
I've no idea why
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah I know tons do I'm just not a fan :?
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar What's up
 
@WillemD'haeseleer it's not, every time I go to a convention the talks are trivial - it's not that there aren't good conventions, maybe I was unlucky.
 
the very first thing I hate about them is price
 
I enjoy developing on a mac, but I'm not picky.
 
2:30 PM
@FlorianMargaine the scrolling is painful and jumping, though
 
the 2nd is how zealoty users seem to be
 
@Loktar "not being a fan" and "they are complete shit" are two different things
 
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@BartekBanachewicz I use a giant iMac... Because it's giant. And also because it's what my boss paid for.
 
@BartekBanachewicz fwiw I have linux installed on my mbp
 
@Jhawins need help for the ideas.itu.int thing
 
2:31 PM
I usually sit in the back and try to keep to myself when the speaker makes an error to not come out as an asshole.
 
i can't type that much :T_T:
 
@dystroy don't care, the effect rocks :P
 
@Loktar does that change your opinion about the devices themselves?
 
I'm actually getting my first mac in 6 years next week.
 
mostly the software, the actual hardware itself seems fine
but not for the price
 
2:32 PM
@Loktar I think they are reasonably priced for what they offer.
 
Going to develop software on it that I can't develop on another computer, it's simply a lot better at the thing I'm doing.
 
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But I just disable all the stupid flair shit.. Then build from sources as I need to for all my bin/bash needs. It doesn't take too much before you wouldn't notice anything missing from your usual nix box.
 
@Loktar they are certainly not the most cost-effective computers you can buy, that's for sure.
neither are Ferrari cars.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ah I see what you mean, I do share that experience in a way.
 
also remember I am a gamer for the most part
 
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2:32 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar Huh
 
thats the #2 thing I do on computers
 
and they are pretty shitty when it comes to that
 
@Jhawins nvm
 
I have a pretty good steam library, but no computer to play any of them on... it's sad.
 
2:33 PM
@Loktar I think more and more games come out on OSX
 
@NickDugger wait what?
 
guys how do I debug a page on windows phone (IE 11) like we do with nexus (remote usb debugging)... is it even possible? google does not help...
 
and MBPs typically ship with pretty high-end GPUs
 
@WillemD'haeseleer for example, the last convention I was in had a workshop on how to make directives, a talk about the digest cycle and watchers and a talk about ng-resource. All of these are things that are better learned from the documentation. There was nothing truly conceptual or interesting.
 
@Loktar The computers that I do have at home are utter shit.
 
2:33 PM
yeah more are, however the library is still quite small compared to PC, also AAA titles tend not to release on Mac much
lots of indie games though lately
 
@AwalGarg do you have visual studio with the sdk and a developer account?
 
You guys know how when someone buys cool looking clothes, everyone likes him much better because he looks better, although he might be shitty inside or not much better than the rest?

Well it's the same with Apple.
 
@Loktar that's certainly true. You can dualboot for gaming, though; a lot of people do that.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum neither.
 
@BartekBanachewicz rebooting is a PITA
 
2:34 PM
yeah but at that point why not just pay the lower price point for a PC :P
 
@zigi that's the user profile; we're talking about devices.
 
@zigi Apple's touchpads alone are worth the price ;
 
I've said one good thing about macs actually
 
@Loktar Because of everything you get as added value when buying a mac
 
2:35 PM
their battery life is amazing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you know what, I fully agree, learning usually happens best at home. But I think conventions are also allot about meeting people
 
I don't say everything is bad, I say it's for the people that want nice looking things
 
there's a lot of things that are amazing about them IMHO
 
when I had one it was crazy how long it could last.
 
and prefer design over functionallity
and not for all devices, just for some
 
2:35 PM
@zigi I disagree.
 
I would say it's for people who want stable things. I bought a mac for school because it's not going anywhere for the duration
 
Apple devices are shipped with top-quality hardware parts.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thankyou, will take a look now :)
 
I wouldn't call them "looks" necessarily.
 
I hate being locked into an eco system
 
2:36 PM
the one thing I couldn't stand on OSX was the lack of personalization
 
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@AbhishekHingnikar Wut is it bro
 
people give MS and others so much shit
 
@Loktar see that's a valid argument.
 
for the UX, I mean
 
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@FlorianMargaine Pfft.
 
2:36 PM
but Apple is the king of locking you in
 
@WillemD'haeseleer yeah, I got into Bluebird after meeting with Petka in Finland for a beer :) There is a lot to gain from talking to people about code. No argument there.
 
Every company is now trying to lock you in really
 
Hm, interesting, I have installed a Linux on my mom's PC Laptop 5 years ago and she haven't had a complaint since
 
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@Loktar Nah. Not at all.
 
yeah to an extent which is frustrating
 
2:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz linux...
 
@zigi and how is that related to the discussion
 
@Jhawins need to fill a 10 page form
 
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Everyone gives me that whole apple locks you down number. But no one says where they lock shit down lol
 
Well same functionality and almost as nice design as apple
 
@FlorianMargaine Linux really doesn't compare to Windows or OSX for some tasks.
 
2:37 PM
anyway. I love being able to switch from gnome to xfce to kde to stumpwm to awesome wm and completely change the UX of every one of these wm at a whim.
 
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You still have your damn bash shell, and you have sudo ;). Take control
 
@FlorianMargaine totally agree
 
@Jhawins the fact I have to install an app to see hidden files?
 
@BartekBanachewicz they suit me fine for the tasks I do
 
@BartekBanachewicz OS X sucks, it's a PoS operating system coded for retards who can't configure their own system. It's so bad and clunky it's not even funny and it's not open like linux or runs lots of stuff like Windows...
It's so bad it's not even funny.
 
2:37 PM
stuff like that is ridiculous
OSX imo is not for power users
 
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@Loktar No, you don't. You have to change a value through terminal
 
@zigi if you think that you can generalize linux and OSX functionality together than you're simply wrong
 
@Jhawins "the UX"
 
It has only gotten worse compared to other operating systems in the last 5 years.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum uh, that's a bold statement
 
2:38 PM
@Loktar it definitely has a better terminal, though
 
@BartekBanachewicz hm, ok I agree it is totally personal
but tell me what you are using that I can't use?
 
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@Loktar A power user wouldn't have looked for an app to see hidden files instead of changing the incredibly easy to find plist value ;)
 
I sometimes feel very insecure about the fact that I'm still using windows
 
@zigi wait you were a windows user, right ?
 
@NickDugger than Windows? For sure.
 
2:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz of course it is, I'm messing with you :D
 
nope
 
@Jhawins a power user wouldn't be on a Mac fyi
 
Linux, just that I have to use Windows at work
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah looked like that
 
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You just have to not mind being in the terminal for everything
 
2:38 PM
actually I am not a fan of Microsoft at all
 
@BartekBanachewicz OS X is a pretty decent operating system, and honestly I don't care that much about the OS as long as it runs my stack and works nicely.
 
@Jhawins but isn't that anti OSX?
 
@zigi it's not that simple
 
has anyone here had the experience with wamp, a router, and running your wamp project on a mobile device via wifi?
 
Microsofts windows manager is decent. (whatever they call it)
 
2:39 PM
> Hey guys this OS is so easy just open up the terminal and goooo
 
Windows 8.1 is decent in general
 
might as well just use Linux
 
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@Loktar Now I see your point. The whole it was designed for something else...
 
OSX seems to have an identity crisis
 
@BartekBanachewicz except for metro
 
2:39 PM
@AwalGarg What's the problem?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar no, especially the metro
 
@BartekBanachewicz I agree I like 8
 
@Loktar why?
 
It's functional, easy to use and fast.
 
unless you are trolling
 
2:39 PM
oh you got the "right" click update ?
i am downloading it atm :-)
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I have a convertible ultrabook. What's a right-touch?
 
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@Loktar it essentially is linux from a power user point of view... Once you set up the environment again.
 
@SecondRikudo it is fucking slow, though my router operates at 100.0 MBPS
 
It lets you use real bash and terminal, and it defaults to a nice UI. How is that a bad thing? It's also the best designed in terms of UI and UX no doubt there.
 
2:40 PM
@BartekBanachewicz tap and hold.
 
Windows has a lot of advantages over OSX and so does Linux, UI is not one of them.
 
@Loktar It's a UNIX.
 
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From within a terminal you wouldn't know the difference. Once you add everything anyway.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum enlighten us.
 
@Jhawins no. A power user doesn't mean "spend all his time in the terminal". It means "spend some time in the terminal to make sure his UX is as he wants"
 
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2:40 PM
@loktar And that's how a power user is IMHO ^
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum So do you use linux or windows ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar about what part?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Office.
 
though i agree on how OS X fucks up copy paste.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's not always simple but we can start from the bigger picture and go into details
 
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2:41 PM
@FlorianMargaine Course not all your time. But you shouldn't be bothered by the amount of times you do
 
@AwalGarg Try to share a file over the network
How fast does it go?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Adv( OSX ) < Adv( Windows ), not the apps , games but core
 
brb heading for the bus
 
@Jhawins what I was saying is that the UX part, you can't touch it on OSX.
 
@SecondRikudo blazingly fast... hell fast like about 20MBPS at the minimum
 
2:41 PM
@WillemD'haeseleer My home and work PCs are Windows (since I work on .NET) and I'm pretty fond of windows. Little configuration and runs well. My laptop is currently Debian, I use Arch on my server for my personal stuff and I'm getting a Mac next week since my next project is to learn iOS development and build an app.
 
@AwalGarg And locally, does it run fast?
 
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@FlorianMargaine You win at that point. I just don't care whatsoever about it...
 
@SecondRikudo yep. it loads almost everything immediately.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum have you used a Mac much?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar anything that Windows does better than OSX? You mean like system architecture or like ease of use, or what?
 
2:42 PM
curious what you think after next week if you are in love like so many or dislike it
 
@Jhawins I was on OSX for a year. Got sick its UX, I had no option.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum system arch
 
@AwalGarg first off, you may want to ask this in the PHP room, rather than here
 
ease of use wise i am agnostic on both, they both have ups and downs
 
Second, I suspect the blame is on Wamp
 
2:42 PM
Guys
 
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I feel like your UX should be the least of your concerns lol who cares. You have a text window to type text in. You have your IDE if you need it, web browser etc. You don't need it to look a certain way
 
gotta leave
 
But I haven't used it much (because it's garbage), so I can't really say.
 
@SecondRikudo ok. meet you there.
 
going on a boattrip
 
2:42 PM
Wamp < Xampp
 
@Loktar I used a Mac from 2008 to 2010 for two years, I also had one when I was a child, I use it when developing stuff for Safari for testing (like safari extensions), I also have an old mac acting as a server for my stereo.
 
@NickDugger Configuring your own server > Xampp > Wamp
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum have you gotten into trouble with the PATH 1024 character limit often ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar system arch? Well, stuff like IO completion ports is a much better architecture than epoll (not even mentioning stuff like select). The Windows kernel has numerous things it does better too.
 
True, I'm just saying, if you have to use a third party tool, Xampp is better than Wamp
 
2:43 PM
@Jhawins how do you switch between these, for example?
 
@NickDugger +1
 
@NickDugger I use xampp as well so easy
 
Mamp is even better, but it's OSX only
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum hmm.
 
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I feel like complaining about your UX on your dev machine is like complaining about your heated grips not being hot enough to compare to your heated vest and chaps on your motorcycle. It's yuppie.
 
2:44 PM
@NickDugger There's CRAP too. It doesn't feature MySQL
 
53 secs ago, by Florian Margaine
@Jhawins how do you switch between these, for example?
 
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lol you have windows. Move the windows around
 
with a mouse?
 
@WillemD'haeseleer only with NPM, and rarely :D
 
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@FlorianMargaine What's to switch between? The application windows? You click on em
 
2:45 PM
@NickDugger why would you use either?
 
ugh NPM gives me issues with the char limit on Windows, pretty annoying
 
I usually have a browser, emacs, and a couple of other windows like skype or some word documents
 
@Loktar I've used it before and I use it from time to time, I don't mind it. It's just the OS
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't now, but I did extensively in the past, when working with PHP. It's been about a year or so since I've touched it.
 
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@FlorianMargaine Spaces is actually really useful now if you're into multiple desktops
 
2:45 PM
I am using windows atm, with conemu
 
All it has to do is keyboard shortcuts for common stuff and get out of my way.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm actually talking about the environment variable PATH
 
and "very basic" stuff its decent for now
 
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On 1 monitor anyway
 
Well anyway Windows 8.1 is the best ultrabook OS and that's what counts for me
 
2:45 PM
@Jhawins so you prefer small windows? I prefer wide-windows, taking full screen.
 
Not the actual path length limit
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah when I used it I just couldn't stand it idk.
 
@Jhawins it was removed in Lion
 
@SecondRikudo done :)
 
and yes, Spaces is an option
what if I want a 3d cube?
or tags?
 
or a tiling wm?
 
Apple doesn't even have anything qualifying as an ultrabook
 
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@BartekBanachewicz MBA ?
 
@WillemD'haeseleer ah lol. Nope, never had problems with that, I always install stuff at pretty short paths though like C:\python C:\ruby etc. Never c:\Program%20Files...
 
2:46 PM
@Abhishek ew horizontal bar what a waste
 
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@FlorianMargaine Then you're being yuppie like I said and just asking for something you don't need at all.
 
@Jhawins so your only option is to use 3-fingers up swipe to see the list of windows, and go to it from there
 
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That's not a necessity. You can't say something is worse for not having that
 
@Abhishek no touchscreen? Please...
 
right here, I have s-1 mapped to going to chrome, s-2 going to emacs
 
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2:47 PM
@FlorianMargaine What? You have no idea what you're talking about?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ah that.
 
Touchscreens are so slow
 
no matter where I am
 
Why would anyone choose to use them over a keyboard for a real computer it's just so much slower...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Mine is decent enough
 
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2:47 PM
Go change the damn shortcuts if you want them changed.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I agree, its not ideal, your hands get in the way as well
 
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You have to change them on linux too
 
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lol
 
@Jhawins you don't have shortcuts for the example I just gave.
 
@Loktar yup
 
2:47 PM
Because you use them for different things @Benjamin
 
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@FlorianMargaine Yeah I can do that
 
That's the whole point of a convertible
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm talking about productivity not gaming, for consuming stuff like reading and for gaming they're fine.
Tried coding on one, did not like.
 
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It's just not screaming "click this box to do it" like you want it to be
 
for quick interactions touch screens aren't bad, but yeah productivity... I can't even imagine
 
2:48 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum they are also good for testing "touch" support :D
 
@Jhawins how then?
the only thing I could find could open the application, but not go to it if it was already open
 
@Benjamin use best tools for the job. Not having a touchscreen means I can't use it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ps what the heck is hyperv ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar virtualization software solution of microsoft
 
@AbhishekHingnikar the hypervisor. The virtual machine manager.
 
2:49 PM
@Abhishek level 1 virtualization for windows
 
Why does it wants me to change a setting on my bios ?
 
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@FlorianMargaine Of course it goes to it. And regardless of the space it's in
 
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@FlorianMargaine RTFM support.apple.com/kb/PH13916
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's just never the best tool for the job at my dev box.
 
2:50 PM
The last time i did that my linux lost grub (for virtualbox), so am scared.
 
hah HyperV sucks :P
if you aren't in a domain environment
something MS that I dislike greatly
 
I'm using angularJS, and I'm trying to retrieving data from model to a controller
is it possible ?
 
@Benjamin my newest machine is both my work and private device now
 
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You don't know what you're talking about. Your complaints aren't real :P. I like you @Florian but this is silly, get some reasons for dislike that aren't so petty or that are real :P
 
I have VS 2013 Ultimate \o/, but i can't use phone sdk :-(
 
2:50 PM
@Epitouille I'm gonna say yes
 
@Jhawins yeah...
> You can’t define keyboard shortcuts for general purpose tasks such as opening an app or switching between apps.
 
roles: {
type: [{
type: String,
enum: ['user', 'admin', 'group1', 'group2', 'group3', 'group4']
}],
default: ['user']
},
I've a model like that
 
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lol you can...
 
and I would like to get the enum
 
I just got that quote from your link :)
 
2:51 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't do that.
 
@Loktar domains are pretty cool though
 
@Loktar hyperv is pretty decent to be fair :P
 
@Benjamin why?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum maybe in a domain environment
standalone its a nightmare
also did they fix shared memory yet?
 
why would you flag that?
 
2:52 PM
It was designed for servers
 
I switched so ESXI have been much happier
 
@BartekBanachewicz what else would I run it on? :P
 
A client :P
 
The one plus was it supported software raid, and ESXI does not
 
2:53 PM
@Jhawins the point is, you're stuck in OSX way. If you don't like it, too bad for you.
 
but in a non domain environment there were so many hoops to go through to get remote management working correctly. Also, this is the real kicker
you cant manage the last vs of hyperv with windows 8
 
I'm not saying you can't configure anything; just way less than on linux
 
you have to upgrade the server to the next vs of windows server/hyperv in order to manage it.. but then you lose management capabilities in windows 7
 
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@FlorianMargaine Well, ^+shift+f opens filezilla for jhawins on his mac running 10.9.3 ;)
 
@Jhawins WIN + S -> File + Enter does the same
 
2:54 PM
thats what finally made me switch to esxi over hyperv, I used hyperv for around 3 years before finally giving up
 
@BartekBanachewicz I use it all the time and it works great and is fast. I use it with VMs for testing and with the WP emulator.
 
@Jhawins if you do ^+shift+f again, what does it do?
 
!!> [].forEach(console.log("lol"));
 
SO, How I can access to this enum from a controller ?
 
2:55 PM
@SecondRikudo "TypeError: console.log(...) is not a function" Logged: "lol"
 
esxi is just so far ahead..
 
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@FlorianMargaine See, configuring things for needless tweaking isn't important.
 
they even have a full remote web console for vm management
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum is microsoft bringing Cortana in windows 8.2 / 9 ?
 
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@FlorianMargaine ^ === control
 
2:55 PM
@AbhishekHingnikar honestly I don't know and don't really care very much :P
 
... that's not what I was saying.
 
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I made an applescript service in <1 minute to do it. Oh... I sent you the wrong page my fault
 
@SecondRikudo try this: var nodes = document.querySelector('div'); nodes.forEach(function() {}); you'll error.
because nodes are not an array
 
anyway, looks like a pointless argument, I'll just give up
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum i'd be awesome... if they do though cortana integrates with apps well afaik
 
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2:56 PM
@FlorianMargaine I sent the wrong manual page...
 
so "Cortana open Chrome" would be awesome :D
 
@SecondRikudo "ReferenceError: document is not defined"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How do you feel about generators in node.js ? Do you use them ?
 
good monring
 
Mourning
 
2:59 PM
moore-ning
 
@rlemon I forgot to comment on your photo
was that me being the biggest fan?
 
"I am not a fan"
"don't be so sure..."
 
ah lol
 
moon ring
 

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