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6:01 PM
@Nathan Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
lots of newbies
 
Like... a LOT. So many came through last night
 
So i've now called them, their one listed number gives me a reorder tone - the other just rings and rings
:(
I just spent $800 us on this fucking server! GIVE IT TO ME!
 
@derylius oh man, I remember WAP! I thought for sure that would catch on... though, really, pretty happy it didn't.
 
$800?!
 
6:06 PM
dedicated server, 12months
(saved a bit of money buying the 12 mo. now i'm thinking it was a mistake)
 
Jeezum. I never sign up for hosting like that... (though I probably should?)
 
Server specs?
My server is $5. LOL
 
@RUJordan yeah it starts to matter when you have more people visit though
 
Hopefully by that time traffic revenue can offset those costs?
 
I'm trying to make my way to Amazon. I'm thinking a server that sits awake with a static cache and wakes up other server instances for my clients on demand? ...should save everybody money, and Amazon is mostly reliable.
 
6:07 PM
^ not meant as negatively
@RUJordan yeah for sure
 
Uhm, not sure who starred "Server specs?" because that was a legit question
lol
 
@rujordan I did. I liked that your server is $5. that's all.
 
$66/mo isnt bad at all
 
moneybags
:D
 
6:09 PM
@rlemon thats nice man
 
"120 seconds" <- my ass
I can't get a hold of their support either
 
@KendallFrey er I mean for a dedicated server in particular
 
been waiting an hour for word on how long this is going to take to prepare
 
many start at like $100
 
2 x 2 TB SATA? Dayum
 
6:09 PM
@RUJordan weird they say 120 seconds?
 
I pay ~$60 at Media Temple for that... but it feels like over kill. I'm just serving up like 15 client sites. Do you really need a dedicated server?
 
Most dedi places I know take 24-48 hours
 
The only thing I can pay $50 a month for is my car
 
> YOU SAID 120 SECONDS 4 MONTHS AGO YOU ASSHATS
 
@Loktar but they advertise 120 seconds. :/
which is one of the reasons I took that package.
 
6:10 PM
That awkward moment when my cell phone bill costs more than Kendall's car...
 
you should get some sort of credit then
 
I would love to just get a hold of someone
 
@RUJordan My car costs a lot more than that
 
The reorder tone, also known as the fast busy tone, is the congestion tone or all trunks busy (ATB) tone of a public switched telephone network. It varies from country to country; in North America it is a dual-frequency tone of 480 Hz and 620 Hz at a cadence of 0.25 seconds on, 0.25 off; that is two beeps per second. It is used to indicate that an invalid code has been dialed, or that all circuits (trunks) are busy and/or the call is unroutable. A PBX will often also do this for an invalid extension, while an invalid telephone number on the PSTN usually gets the triple special information t...
 
Credit your foot in their ass
 
6:11 PM
@Metagrapher I needed a dedi because well.. there weren't that many vps packages back when i got one
 
I can't get through to their support
 
!!stat
 
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and I was getting like 20k users a day
now I'm on a VPS
 
@KendallFrey lol oh
 
6:11 PM
I think I switched to a dedicated server in 2010? something like that idk
shared did alright until around the 14-15k users a day mark
then they would constantly shut me down
 
yeah, @Loktar that was my predicament back when (mt) had Grid Servers... like 2K2... switched to dedicated so many years ago now... but it just seems more prudent to spin up instances on demand and load balance, no?
 
heh it sucked too, my shared package was $15/month my dedi was like $220
yeah for sure, I love vps's now man
 
we honestly do not know how many people we will see a day, but we have a lot of things we need a server for, so for the $66/mo it makes sense to just buy a dedicated one
 
I think I have a small VPS right now
 
I do have a colocated server as well, but thats my personal server
well I run some sites on one of the vm's
but yeah vps's kick ass, instant backups and restores
don't have to worry about that particular piece of hardware failing
 
6:13 PM
well I'm going to move away from our VPS because fuck GoDaddy
 
It's just, this convo is particularly pertinent to me, cause I just made this huge investment of time to figure out how to make Amazon work. It's all about performance for cost man!
@rlemon YES. FUCK. GO. DADDY.
 
@rlemon haha yeah screw godaddy
their shared hosting was even bad back when I had it
 
I was okay with them until my recent discovery about passwords
 
I doubt its changed
 
@rlemon So is this for your company?
 
6:14 PM
@copy yes
 
I actually charge my clients a GoDaddy premium hourly rate if they insist I fuck with that noise.
 
Aww
 
@Metagrapher haha
 
Apr 16 '13 at 20:25, by Kendall Frey
Think where they would be if they had named it StopDaddy instead.
 
GoDaddy stores you passwords (they claim encrypted, but not one way) and support agents have full access to them without your permission
 
6:15 PM
@KendallFrey they can't be having that sort of truth in advertising. They are trying to sell snake oil to the masses dammit!
@rlemon woah. that is fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked up.
 
yea
 
user1596138
This contract-to-hire recruiter is pretty on the ball. But do I want a contract job?
 
Welp. Suspicions just /further/ confirmed then.
@Jhawins depends on the contract...
 
I had an issue and I got on the fucking webchat support - the agent asked my first name and my issue, I told him "I can't access my VPS", two minutes later he said "I cannot access it with either of the passwords we have on file"
 
user1596138
Tax differences? Other unexpected things?
 
6:16 PM
@rlemon thats really common
everywhere I've hosted had my password on file
they need it for that exact purpose
 
I don't care. I don't want them having my personal passwords on file that are accessible by anyone
 
you can always change it, usually its a manual field you have to keep updated
 
IFF it's a good recruiter then you should get insurance and whatnot through the recruiter. If they are contracting you directly, which I doubt, then you should ask for enough money to cover that overhead. @Jhawins
 
I did that at my dedi, so they had to request it from me each time.
 
they claim to have "strong policy in place" to prevent agents from getting their hands on it. but I saw none of that in my recent experience
 
6:17 PM
yeah, they could be, I don't know, reset?
 
I'm a firm believer that no password should be known by more than one person
 
user1596138
@Metagrapher Don't need insurance ;)
 
If you want shared access to something, use a shared key
 
@Loktar GoDaddy does not allow you to not have your user account / root passwords not stored.
 
user1596138
Because I already have a good setup. Free.
 
6:18 PM
weird, so if you change your root what happens then?
do they ping you and ask you to tell them what it is?
 
they somehow still have it
 
weird
 
@Jhawins oh man, must be nice. Well, still, if you're getting contracted directly from the recruiter's client then ask for ~2x your normal salary rate. If you're contracting through the recruiter, then you are probably an employee of them until you go full time. If not, though, again ask for a lot of money. ;)
 
it is on a VPS - I'm sure they have a back door into this
 
probably capture it on entry
MitM via SSH or whatever
 
user1596138
6:19 PM
@Metagrapher Wait why ask for double?
 
because I did change it after* setting up the account via the web interface, and they had the new ones
 
GoDaddy actually means "we take it in the BackDoor" in ancient Gaelic.
 
yeah goddady is lame, but if you're really concerned about password make sure to check with the new company first
 
@Jhawins taxes
 
because like I said its pretty common for them to request your password
 
6:19 PM
@rlemon and the old one, right?
 
@KendallFrey I presume they had that as well. didn't ask
 
like this dedi you're getting, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they ask what the PW is in a field
 
they don't
 
once I fucking get it
 
@rlemon I recall you saying they "tried both passwords"
 
6:20 PM
@FlorianMargaine they are not reachable by phone for me and their "120 second" deployment is going into hour and 20 minutes now
 
@rlemon is this a personal VPS or a company purchase?
 
@KendallFrey user account and root account
 
damn, sorry to hear that
 
company has a VPS with GoDaddy, I have a personal VPS with GoDaddy, and we just (company) bought this OVH dedi
 
6:21 PM
It really is upsetting when people don't live up to their slogans
 
but they haven't delivered yet.
 
yeah hosting companies are so fucking random
I research them first, and usually try to contact them first
because you can get royally screwed
esp when you have to pay upfront
 
I was in contact with them first.
 
@rlemon I would shoot myself in the face if my company did that.
 
basically they only accept paypal. so I called them to see if they could take my CC over the phone, they said they couldn't.
 
6:22 PM
Great. Dayton won and my bracket is shot to shit within the first game.
 
so I signed up for paypal and finally submitted a payment to them. now their phones are giving me reorder tone, and the server is "pending payment"
but I have the payment confirmation email :/
 
Get rid of GoDaddy brah
 
user1596138
I just got my new 4 letter "temporary password" emailed to me from a financial... Place. I don't think that's really bad though.
 
@RUJordan this isn't GoDaddy brah
 
user1596138
There's obviously nothing in the bank yet anyway lol
 
6:23 PM
this is OVH
 
I don't know why you'd ever go with just some random host. I mean, it's your data...your clients' data! I need to know about physical security. I need a Tier 4 DC. Not fing around with some fly by night, got this server in my basement and a coolwebsite, web host.
 
Your VPS
 
I'm working on it
need time / energy to do it
 
I'll give you 120 seconds
 
need to get my work projects done and working
that is my priority right now
 
6:24 PM
@0xFADE Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
We should all call this company and bitch them out for lemonsake.
 
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Q: Setting default selected option in dropdown menu with AngularJS

user1894374I am trying to create a dropdown menu with AngularJS. I created a factory (‘disResource’) and use $resource to retrieve data from a database. Factory: angular.module('app').factory('disResource', ['$resource', function($resource) { return $resource('/api/disciplines/:dis_id', {}, { query...

 
@rlemon story of my life
 
can I get some access to edit it plox?
otherwise I volunteer for nothing
 
6:26 PM
@rlemon done
 
!!tell metagrapher kittens 500 500
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 stackoverflow.com/a/958429/851498 for the "done" plugins plox
 
kk, I'll take unonebox, undo, and welcome
 
6:28 PM
@FlorianMargaine done
 
is there a persistent storage?
 
@FlorianMargaine Not yet
 
!!tell Metagrapher pizza 800 600
 
@rlemon if you want, you can get the rift and if you don't like it I'll take it at cost or slightly less depending on how long you use it
 
6:29 PM
I was planning on firing up an issue where we could discuss that, one sec
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 does it have to be set up? many commands require it
 
my issue isn't that i'll not like it, 3D tech today doesn't work on me
:/
 
var i = 0; while(true) { document.appendChild("<img src='placekitten.com/500/'"+i+"' />")
ALL THE KITTENS
 
@rlemon that's what I meant
I'm gonna get it anyway :P
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 k. put some color for these plugins so we don't concentrate on them
 
6:29 PM
@rlemon OMG. This + PlaceKittens + Slipsum.com oh yes. web dev just got 1000% more awesome
 
@FlorianMargaine Color is done (green)
 
I mean, if you're sure you can't use it then nvm
but if it's possible..
 
Can we exit Gallery mode?
 
(function k() { var i = new Image(); i.src = 'http://lorempizza.com/500/500'; document.body.appendChild(i); setTimeout(k, 4); }());
@RUJordan if you are going to do it, do it right.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I mean for the plugins we can't do yet because it requires persistent storage
 
6:30 PM
$('img').attr('src', 'placekitten.com/500/500');
 
Sorry boss :(
 
@FlorianMargaine oooh, yeah. One sec.
 
@Mosho well if you are going to get it anyways, get it and i'll see if it works by trying yours :P
 
Did Kittens just jQuery Kittens?
That seems so... dirty :|
 
@FlorianMargaine text contains 'storage' -> BG: red
 
6:32 PM
@Metagrapher place-doge.com
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I can't edit :/
florian at margaine dot com
 
user1596138
@Metagrapher So I'll have half the take home?
 
@rlemon Where has this been all my life?
 
@FlorianMargaine Refresh the page
 
@rlemon don't see why not
 
6:33 PM
@Metagrapher sitting on my hard drive
 
Anyone with link should have edit privs
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 ty
 
@Jhawins I dunno where you live, but in the US contractor taxing is awful. You should set aside about 1/3 for taxes. Typically a company actually pays around double your salary in order to employ you, because of taxes and other benefits overhead. So when you're going it hired gun you should charge like a company...cause you're getting taxed and treated that way.
 
user1596138
Damn
 
@rlemon Welp. You're my new favorite. I think that pretty much settles it. So much win. Such developer!
 
6:35 PM
I don't know all the plugins by heart so feel free to add some missing plugins
 
@Metagrapher Yeah, running into that here
 
@JonF Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
I made a booboo.
 
Just put a lot of $$$ into an index fund to sit around until tax time
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 @Jhawins yeah, it's an eye opening experience that first time April 15 rolls around. And if you really screw up your taxes, they'll double tax you. (try to avoid that.)
 
6:37 PM
My win8 partition is too large. I'm afraid to resize it.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 smart.
[I'm not as smart.]
 
So now I can't install the linux partition.
Win...
 
user1596138
Ugh. I miss the old "I worked 7-4 today" -> "Here's your money" on the farm haha
 
When did you partition @Zirak ?
 
Plan: Back shit up. Good plan. Crap, then I'll have to re-get the win8 setup disk...
@Metagrapher Not too long ago, not much has been written, but you know, data sentimentality.
 
6:38 PM
if it was only a few moments ago, just repartition. You should be fine... if you've started loading data... well....
 
never had an issue shrinking a partition though
 
Im using the filereader API to read an upload image, then sending the data for storage on a server.
 
guys after a solid day of just trying to fucking buy / setup a server - I will be getting drunk and ranting on TeamSpeak tonight.
 
Maybe drop it in cloud storage and just call it? @Zirak
 
place-doge.com/i/200/287 this is amazing
so much doge
 
6:39 PM
such fuck yes.
 
Snoop Doge got me weak
 
enjoy
 
ah, cloud storage...a nice way of saying "So, I have your data, and can now on a whim charge you money for access to said data."
 
@rlemon you can't do welcome yet anyway, we need storage for that
 
6:40 PM
code is .. well.. hacked from another project - so there is a lot of overhead not needed
 
I'll just back it up to a different comp
 
@FlorianMargaine we'll get storage soon.
I am confident
 
user1596138
But wait, can't I do contract work on a W2 for some companies?
 
user1596138
Wouldn't it only be fubar on a 1099? //that is the extent of my knowledge on the subject.
 
!!doge service,php,rlemon,doge man
 
6:41 PM
    wow
so service
           such php
                            very rlemon
much doge man
 
@rlemon did you make place-dodge?
 
Yeah, W2 is an employee-employer relationship only @Jhawins
 
aaaand I already lost $0.02
 
yes, I didn't buy the domain
 
GO MARKETS
 
6:41 PM
Im using the filereader API to read an upload image, then sending the data for storage on a server. I also retrieve this data and dynamically set img src= to create thumbnails. This retrieval seems to be browser dependent in terms of compatibility. Also, I am unable to use the store images later on in a sql server reporting services report. So.. I am wondering if anyone in this room could give some insight into alternatives to filereader OR sending image data to a server
 
> place-dodge
 
haha
 
Dodge these places, or it's going to hurt.
 
I meant cars! :P
 
user1596138
@Metagrapher Ah. Unlikely.
 
6:42 PM
car-dodge? <.<
 
> This site needs more charger!
> Needs more truck omg
 
MOAR CHALLENGE
The weirdest messages are being starred today
 
!!doge CHALLENGE,car-doge,RUJordan,doge man
 
  wow
many CHALLENGE
            much car-doge
                          so RUJordan
very doge man
 
is it doge day already
 
6:43 PM
It's cause I'm here. I dont' know what I'm doing and I'm like starring everything.
 
user1596138
I'll just keep waiting for @AbhishekHingnikar to get big and then convince him to hire me.
 
What does it do for you? I'm not even sure why I'm doing it. /OCDcompulsions
 
OH NO LOL NOOOOO
> Battledodge 4
 
@Metagrapher you have a limited amount of stars
 
I'm done. That's the cap
hahahaha
 
6:44 PM
Oh. How about that.
Umm. So, should I horde them in case Super Mario sends Luigi to collect (or break my knees, whichever comes first)?
 
Also, if anyone wants write access to the plugins/node repo, let me know
 
But serious. I should probably read something I haven't read about the stars. Cause I'm just like "oooooh shiny stars!"
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Once I set up the partitions I'll move stuff to the SOChatRoom group
 
> Harvard researcher caught mining dogecoins. Much regret. Many discipline
 
6:46 PM
So, in another few weeks
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Too late. I git blamed you
But how?
The last commits are all from you!
 
something was wonky with my symlink
 
Huh. That would be pretty swank... a node lib that would just resize the requested image based on the url path "parameters" in front of it...and cache it so that it doesn't have to resize that request again. ...hrmmmmmm
 
i.e., it wasn't a symlink
 
I never added the symlink to git, though
 
user1596138
6:49 PM
Or someone here will eventually feel sorry for me enough to give me a PHP job out of pitty :P
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 I get that all the time when I ln -s backwards. /dyslexia
@Jhawins how's your wordpress?
 
user1596138
Ewwww
 
sorry. clients love it. eh.
 
user1596138
Yeah, not my thing haha.
 
Have you played with Ghost yet? As far as I can tell it's a MEAN WP, basically.
 
6:50 PM
@Metagrapher ugggghhhh
 
It's such easy money, tbh man. Talk to client, get theme, customize theme, write a mod or so, PROFIT!
 
Didn't like Ghost - too 'minimalist design' not enough 'features I use'
 
ah, yeah. full disclosure: I have only heard of it. Not tried it.
 
user1596138
But I hate it haha
 
What do you hate about it?
...I suddenly feel like I just got trollolololed
 
user1596138
6:52 PM
Well, for one, the code is fugly af.
 
user1596138
Almost always
 
^ Your name is Toby.io
 
really great baseline. I'm kind of loving it, actually. Make WP actually respond quickly and stuff.
 
user1596138
Eh. Whatever works man.
 
user1596138
6:54 PM
I don't enjoy designing websites.
 
Fair.
 
user1596138
I'm a "do stuff" programmer :P
 
hahaha ok. I just like to get paid. I "do stuff" in my free time.
;)
 
user1596138
True though nothing wrong with that.
 
user1596138
How profitable is it for the time you put in?
 
6:55 PM
getting paid? What's that?
 
TBH, I hate WP and spent the better part of my career telling people to STAY AWAY. But now, it's just what the clients want, and man, you can spin up a full WP site to client satisfaction in a couple of days, tested.
 
user1596138
Well, I want to do functional things.
 
Aaaaaand, rule of thumb, no matter what website, never, ever charge less than $1K for it. SO $1K+ for what would be ~1 day of work is not bad money. (just gotta keep finding more clients!)
 
@Jhawins quit that half stack dev shit >=(
 
user1596138
Sure it's nice to make money, but if I didn't enjoy what I do I would be a dumbass for sitting on my ass in front of a screen for ~9 hours a day.
 
user1596138
6:58 PM
@RUJordan No I'm just saying I wouldn't want to do just front-end stuff, or just HTML and CSS.
 
I like the idea of contracting half time, free time the rest
 
omfg. So, Angular's $http service returns a promise with some extra "convenience" methods - success and error. The thing is, the argument passed to the functions provided in then is different than the argument passed to those functions.
 
Welp. I work for myself versus a company. It's a tradeoff, for sure. And it's not like I'm rolling in dough haha
 
I want to make SOACH
 
@Metagrapher Is most of your work remote?
 
6:58 PM
all of it.
 
SOA in C over HTTP
 
user1596138
I want to work remotely out of an RV for a year or two and travel. lol
 
user1596138
But I need money first, cause I'd want a bigass RV.
 
that would be the bomb. I want an old VW van and go tour the country. GF wouldn't go for it though...
 
@Metagrapher How do you find new clients? Inbound or outbound?
 
6:59 PM
word of mouth mostly.
 
@FlorianMargaine ??
 
user1596138
@Metagrapher Ha! Better get her on board! Mines down for 2 weeks total of motorcycle camping with no finite destination this summer ;)
 
@Jhawins duuuuuuuuude!
 

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