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12:01 AM
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. [Edsger W. Dijkstra]
 
okay, that's enough node for me today
finally getting a grasp at least
 
12:14 AM
@GNi33 really clean love it
If i have an image i want to have in a canvas, how can i start the pattern in a specific coord?
function canvasIcones(canvasId){

	var canvas = document.getElementById(canvasId),
        ctx = canvas.getContext('2d');

        var fillImg = new Image();
    	fillImg.src = "img/icones_15.png";
    	fillImg.onload = function()
    	{
    		var fillPattern = ctx.createPattern(fillImg,'no-repeat');
    		ctx.fillStyle = fillPattern;
    		ctx.fillRect(50,50,200,200);
    	}

}
it's very noob by i just began to learn it
 
@phenomnomnominal When you deploy in Node.js, does your code not just look like a cluster bang of functions?
 
alright, i'm off to bed, see you
 
@GNi33 gn
 
12:29 AM
Bed? It's 6:300pm!
6:30*
What does SO CHATBOT mean by, Javascript is not a real language?
 
8h30 here
pm
 
ctx.drawImage(image, dx, dy) or full form drawImage(image, sx, sy, sw, sh, dx, dy, dw, dh)
where image is "either an HTMLImageElement, an HTMLCanvasElement, or an HTMLVideoElement"
 
Thank you ^^
 
Anybody got a really nice syntax highlighting theme for JS / Node / Jquery
for ST2
 
@XCritics, no, not if you design your app nicely. Yes there are lots of functions, but that doesn't mean it has to be messy
 
12:35 AM
ST2 should already have javascript highlighting
 
If you need your IDE's code generation tool, then your language is too verbose
 
@phenomnomnominal As a rule of thumb, of often should I comment on my functions
@phenomnomnominal like whats a good practice to get into when writing JS/Node/Jquery and what not
 
1:24 AM
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Q: Failing to load my script files in wordpress! i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong

heyJimi have customized my .html as a custom wp theme. i have these scripts in my header.php: <script type='text/javascript' src="scripts/jquery-1.8.2.js"></script> <script type='text/javascript' src='scripts/jquery.easing.1.3.js'></script> <script type='text/javascript' src...

 
@XCritics If the code doesn't explain itself, write comments
If it's long, summarise it
Explain parameters and return values
 
@phenomnomnominal Summarise as in refactor or split into different functions or just a comment
 
If refactor makes sense, then do it
Otherwise just write comments as to what is going on
 
1:40 AM
@phenomnomnominal one more thing. What's the longevity of Node and JS look like at its current state, every time I learn a language it's replaced a month later by something else and it's really annoying.
 
People are certainly getting on board
There will always be new things coming out
 
What's STDOUT First line of this book and no explanation
Oh one more thing i meant to ask, do web hosts widely support node now or?
 
If you need your IDE's code generation tool, then your language is too verbose
 
So tonight I think I'll start making a game. It will be shitty-awesome
 
2:10 AM
:( seems I am bound to windows..
 
Shortcut functions that reduce typing, poor practice?
Example 1:
    var id = $(e.currentTarget).attr('name');

Example 2:
    function ev_attr(e,attr) {
        return $(e.currentTarget).attr(attr);
    }

    var id = ev_attr(e,'id');

Which would you prefer to see?
 
2:38 AM
former
 
2:49 AM
Would anyone skilled in jQuery be interested in helping me recreate Super Mario? I have a fair bit of work done but am unspecialized as of now to finish up what I'd like
 
Question, any time I see anonymous functions I assume JQuery, is that wrong? Or does straight JS use anonymous functions too
 
@XCritics yes
 
@XCritics Vanilla JS uses anon funcs
 
And their purpose is what, I'm reading from this book this is the example
var http = require("http");
http.createServer(function(request, response) { response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"}); response.write("Hello World");
response.end();
}).listen(8888);
By now it should be clear what we are actually doing here: we
pass the createServer function an anonymous function. We could achieve the same by refactoring our code to:
var http = require("http");
function onRequest(request, response) { response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"});
Building the application stack 15
Could you explain what exactly an anonymous function does a little better than this book does?
 
3:05 AM
ROT13 is sufficient encryption
 
@SomeKittens

database.query("SELECT * FROM hugetable", function(rows) { var result = rows;
});
console.log("Hello World");

So in this, does the results get passed to the variable function(rows) or would you then use the rows to call specific thing like, rows.user_id
 
Are you familiar with the idea of callbacks?
 
@SomeKittens a little yeah, I use a nice bit of AJAX on my page I currently dabble around with
for user registration and other things
Basically I send a request, and the server goes HEY HERES WHAT YOU ASKED FOR once it's ready
@SomeKittens in that database.query line, can I then use that var result = rows; globally, or would I put a function inside of it like userid(rows.id) or something a long those lines?
 
@XCritics You can't use it globally. If you want access to rows, you'll need to put the code in the callback func
 
@SomeKittens can you give me a really little example?
Trying to make sense of stuff this book isn't explaining very well
 
3:10 AM
sure:
 
I locked myself in a freezer on accident....
i was short sleeved too......
 
mongoHelper.find('users', {username: 'SomeKittens'}, function(results) {
  console.log(results);
});
console.log(results);
 
@XCritics anonymous functions are usually used for callbacks in continuation passing style programming
 
@SomeKittens I'm guessing those params would change depending on the db you would use?
 
there are different type of "scoping" for functions. In javascript functions use lexical scope.
 
3:12 AM
And so in that code, does the function(results) automatically just know to populate it with the result of the mongoHelper.find function?
@andho You're blowing my mind here
Never even knew lexical was a word
@SomeKittens and what happens if, for some reason, it gets passed more than one response, does that function execute for every time it finds something?
 
Lets start a debate! I say that we should ban JAVA!
:D
Who agrees?
 
@BrandonGelfand not here, not now
 
fine.......
 
@andho + ', not ever';
 
mongoHelper.find('users', {username: 'SomeKittens'}, function(results) {
  console.log(results);
});
console.log(results);
couldnt it be return results;
instead of console.log(results);
 
3:17 AM
but I don't think that would echo it to the console
 
The first log will log the results (when they come back), the second will be undefined
(sorry, distracted)
 
@SomeKittens that's ok. so how would you make it so it logs every result, a while loop?
 
Wait so I am right?
Or am I wrong?
 
var testObj = {callbacker: function(callback) { callback(); }};
testObj.callbacker(function() { return 'something'; });
 
@BrandonGelfand No, the function's anonymous. It wouldn't return to anything
 
3:18 AM
@XCritics take this testObj and play with it
 
whats the point of console.log(results);
?
 
Log it to the JS console?
 
so is something else returning it?
or it doesn't return anything?
 
@BrandonGelfand there is no return in continuation passing style
 
As @SomeKittens says, it does not return anything
 
3:20 AM
So that is strictly backend?
 
@SomeKittens because the function is, embeded inside another function, hence anonymous
 
The idea is that the function is executed when the database call has finished. That could be any time in the future.
 
nothing to be shown to user?
 
@BrandonGelfand Async/anon functions can be client or server side
 
Anonymous functions are a convenient way for user land code to influence the behaviour of third party libraries without extending the library
 
3:20 AM
So its acting like an API?
 
@BrandonGelfand ajax calls use anonymous functions, so
 
@BrandonGelfand that is just an example I asked them to write out, I'm sure you could write in whatever extra functions you wanted to do with the user
 
So, from what I just read, it basically allows you to do two things at once?
function Pet2(name, species, hello){
    this.name = name;
    this.species = species;
    this.hello = hello;
    this.sayHello = function()
    {
        alert(this.hello);
    }
}
function Petw(name, species, hello){
    this.name = name;
    this.species = species;
    this.hello = hello;
    function sayHello()
    {
        alert(this.hello);
    }
    this.sayHello = sayHello;
}
 
@BrandonGelfand It doesn't cause the whole process to stop, and wait for it to be found, passing it the anonymous function sets the callback and the process can continue functioning, so that sometime in the future, when the query to the DB is done, it can then give the result
 
so single use?
 
3:24 AM
e.g. from this book im reading
var result = database.query("SELECT * FROM hugetable"); console.log("Hello World");

database.query("SELECT * FROM hugetable", function(rows) { var result = rows;
});
console.log("Hello World");
 
Woo! Got my connection to the Amazon API working!
 
The first line with var result
 
@XCritics Is blocking, i.e. the whole app has to wait for the db call to finish
With the second chunk, your app can go on executing with the security of knowing that the callback function will be executed after the db call has finished.
 
exactly what @SomeKittens says @BrandonGelfand
I had a connection error apparently and had to re-load my page
 
!!/choose H C
 
3:26 AM
@BadgerGirl C
 
So thats a log in basically?
 
I knew it!
 
@BrandonGelfand what?
@BrandonGelfand it's just an example is all it is
 
Oh hey @copy, I think @BrandonGelfand needs your help.
 
@BrandonGelfand No, it's an example. Log ins are much more complicated
 
3:27 AM
@BrandonGelfand to try and show you the difference between async and sync
 
It tells the page to not proceed to next page without it being told that its correct
correct?
 
Yeah which is bad
 
@BrandonGelfand it's Node. I wouldn't worry about node until you can work your way around basic JS first.
 
What if you had a table with 99999999999999999999999999999 things in it, and you do a SELECT * on it, how long would that take? I have no idea, but too long to sit there and the webpage be non-functional
 
3:28 AM
Its nice just to sit in here and listen to the stuff, helps me learn a lot
 
So instead you put it in a function with a callback so the webpage can continue, and when it's done sorting through the table, it will return the callback whenever it's ready
@SomeKittens did I nail it?
 
and I thought u were a troll @XCritics
I was very mistaken...
 
@XCritics that is correct i guess
 
Maybe the table is latitude and longitude to add markers to google maps, but you have the positions of every person in Asia, would you want to sit there and wait for them to load to the map, or would you maybe want to start adding new markers to the map and then when it's ready load all the markers of all the people you're tracking
@andho What do you mean, you guess ;) explain my misunderstanding or else I'm gonna be thinking the wrong things :)
 
@XCritics Almost. It will execute the callback, not return it.
 
3:31 AM
that's the advantage of async, but that's not the only thing anonymous functions are good for
@SomeKittens didn't catch that hehe
 
Hey @rlemon I was thinking on my Blog blog.anoopkumarsharma.com most of questions are like quick problems, queries and their resolution. does this sounds good for a blog to having Q&A patterns? Actually wondering, People expects long article, is it?
 
I can be a semantic nazi, comes from my days in debate.
 
@SomeKittens I even edited that line, I originally had return the result, and then I changed it to return the callback, now its EXECUTE THE CALL BACK (x.X(@===(-.-@)
Anyways I'm going back to reading this book, I'll be sure to post more questions
 
you should learn lexical scoping when using anonymous functions. or it will bite you in the ass
 
No problem
 
3:33 AM
@andho Learn what it is, or is it a language all in its self?
 
it is a concept in programming
 
In computer programming, a scope is the context within a computer program in which a variable name or other identifier is valid and can be used, or within which a declaration has effect. Outside of the scope of a variable name, the variable's value may still be stored, and may even be accessible in some way, but the name does not refer to it; that is, the name is not bound to the variable's storage. Various programming languages have various different scoping rules for different kinds of declarations and identifiers. Such scoping rules have a large effect on language semantics and, consequ...
 
Yeah, scope is important
 
!!>var a = 1;
(function() {
console.log(a);
})();
 
@andho "undefined"
 
3:35 AM
I think we should program the SOChatBot to scan all the questions that ppl ask on here, and reference it back to SO and list relevant questions
 
@SOChatBot Y U NO console.log?
 
Now that would be smart ^ ^ ^
 
@andho It doesn't support multiple lines
!!>var a = 1; (function() { console.log(a); })();
 
@SomeKittens "undefined" Logged: 1
 
3:36 AM
ohhh
 
THE KITTEN WINS
Come here kitty, kitty, kitty, eat some num nums :P
 
!!>var a = 1; (function() { var a = 2; console.log(a); })(); console.log(a);
 
@andho "undefined" Logged: 2,1
 
@andho From the quick paragraph on the wiki, it is basically saying that the variable is only accessible inside its function and gets overwrote if you declare a new one inside the function?
 
Does Badger Girl do anything?
@BadgerGirl
 
3:38 AM
like

var i = 0
function(do whatever) {
var i = 314134;
}
vari i on the outside remains 0
but var i on the inside is that number
Is that lexical scoping?
 
a function has access to the scope that it was defined in
it doesn't get a copy of that scope. no. it used the scope as it is.
 
Like I could use i(0) inside that function, but I could also declare a brand new var i
 
yeah, that is. if you didn't put that var for the i in that function. the i in the outer scope will be changed
 
!!> function() {var a = 'will not be logged'}; console.log(a);
 
like how you can for( var i ) wouldn't overwrite a global var i = 0;
 
3:39 AM
@SomeKittens "SyntaxError: Unexpected token ("
 
YEah exactly
So do I understand?
var i = 0
function(do whatever) {
var i = 314134;
}
 
@XCritics yeah
but here is the tricky part
 
the i inside the function, is its own declaration of a new variable of i
var i = 0
function(do whatever) {
i = 314134;
}
the global variable i is now that
 
Yeah. Unless you use var i = 314134; in the function
 
var i = 0
//
function(do whatever) {
var i = 314134;
}
 
3:41 AM
(note the var)
 
Like the first example
 
wouldnt u have to end the var?
like that ^ ^
 
@SomeKittens yeah exactly what I've been saying
 
!!> var fns = []; for (var i; i<10; i++) { fns[i] = function() { console.log(i); }; } for (var i = 0; i<10; i++) { fns[i](); }
 
Just backing you up
 
3:42 AM
@andho "ReferenceError: fn is not defined"
@andho "TypeError: Property '0' of object is not a function"
 
!!> var fns = []; for (var i; i<10; i++) { fns[i] = function() { console.log(i); }; } for (var i = 0; i<10; i++) { fns[i](); }
 
@SomeKittens np, I just get confused when people tell me the same thing I just told them cause then I'm wondering what they did different haha
 
Dude... It wont answer me
@phenomnomnominal take me out of mind jail plz
u put me in there a few days ago.....
 
!!/unban 1762305
 
@SomeKittens User 1762305 freed from mindjail!
 
3:43 AM
Thar you go
 
Thanks @SomeKittens
 
lol fail
 
@SomeKittens is require node specific or all round JS?
var http = require("http");
ekg
 
require is node-specific
 
!!/ban 1762305
Please no
 
3:44 AM
Ok cool, back to reading
 
@copy User 1762305 added to mindjail.
 
is 1762305 my id number?
 
@BrandonGelfand Yes
 
oh dude come on.....
 
@copy He's shaped up.
 
3:44 AM
How do I know if Im in mindjail lol
 
!!/tell xcritics help
 
I don't think so
 
Will it just not talk to me if I'm in mindjail?
!!/listcommands
 
@XCritics 420, 5318008, help, listen, eval, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, listcommands, purgecommands, define, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, learn, bewbs, i_am_a_robot, aliens, ym, format, happynewyear, tell2, 3point14, camel, ihatelanadelrey, fa, vk1, vk2, rlhd, popcap, guesswhat, knock, say, heybuddy, codesnotwork, lick, insult, ultimateinsult, dumbsearch, microlove, easytools (page 0/1)
 
3:45 AM
Well I guess it likes me still
 
the hell is mind jail?
 
!!/listcommands
 
I feel old.
 
Is this chat hosted in IRC? Or does stack just let you design things like that bot
 
@BrandonGelfand You iz in mindjail
 
3:46 AM
yep, im in mindjail again....
 
@XCritics Stack designed the chat, @Zirak and @rlemon made the bot
@SimonSarris You were around last night. Would you say Brandon's learned his lesson and should be allowed to use the bot?
(mindjail === can't use the bot)
 
How many lines of code in that bot
Pure JS?
 
nice proper english too @SOChatBot Do yourself a favor and get an education, it will help you go far in life, and while your at it !!/unban 1762305
 
I didn't want to fight a 3rd world war over this. Unban him if you will
 
@BrandonGelfand Only room owners can ban/unban.
 
3:48 AM
I know, I just felt like yelling at it...
 
!!s/your/you're/
 
@SomeKittens Invalid command /s/your/you're/
 
It travels to all the rooms though, so if ur banned in one, ur banned in all
 
...fail.
!!/undo
 
3:50 AM
function onRequest(request, response) { console.log("Request received."); response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"}); response.write("Hello World");
  response.end();
}
http.createServer(onRequest).listen(8888);
console.log("Server has started.");
 
This thing needs an app, the chat room
 
@SomeKittens that's not async is it?
It has a web version that works great
 
@XCritics the chat room?
 
yes
 
I just want it for desktop notifications
So i can be offline and it will still pop up
 
3:51 AM
Not technically. onRequest will be called (wait for it) on request! tada!
 
i had no part in making the bot @SomeKittens
;)
 
I'm not sure about the technicalities beyond this, so here be there dragons.
 
@rlemon ur bacl!
 
@SomeKittens but, but, but, I thought the only way for async is through anon function
 
Ok, fine, @rlemon hosted it
 
3:52 AM
back*
 
God I'm confused
 
going to bed
night
 
NOOOOOO
I put gliter
in his locker
 
@XCritics Nope! I can pass a named function:
 
@rlemon nn
 
3:52 AM
rlemon
@rlemon
dang it i cant type tonight...
 
var f = function(a) { console.log(a) }:

mongoHelper.find('users', {username: 'SomeKittens"}, f);
^will work the same way
 
But I thought, that declaring that first line causes a hault
 
is rlemon like 23 or something?
 
@XCritics f isn't called, just declared
@BrandonGelfand His profile says 26
 
I hope not, cause I'm 22 and that means I got a year to either be as good as him or else I got a ways to go yet
 
3:56 AM
I'm 23, and I learn a FUCK load in the last year
 
Age means nothing. Comparing yourself to others only results in depression.
 
Much of which has been sitting in here for the last few months
 
Like @phenomnomnominal, compare yourself to your last year
 
@SomeKittens so

var http = require("http");

function onRequest(request, response) {
	console.log("Request received.");
	response.writeHead(200, { "Content-Type" : "text/plain"});
	response.write("Hello World");
	response.end();
}

http.createServer(onRequest).listen(8888);

console.log("Server has started.");
There is no declaration in that
other than var
 
@XCritics onRequest is being declared, just in a different way
 
3:57 AM
God DAMNIT Why am I having a hard time wrapping my head around this
 
Everyone goes through this
Not everyone finishes.
 
I felt good
for about 10 seconds
then you posted that other line hahahha
 
Keep going, you'll make it.
 
@XCritics you have made it a hell of a lot farther then most
 
Oh I will, it took me almost a month to understand Arrays when I was learning C#
 
3:58 AM
most stop at HTML
hell ur learning JS
dont bash uterus over not understanding
urself*
 
PHP Is easily my strongest language hands down, then HTML, then CSS, then Objective-C, then near rock bottom lyes javascript
lol uterus
 
i kinda wanna star that....
lol
 
@SomeKittens ok so I think I understand better now, I don't know why I didn't realize this before, it's not haulting on it, because onRequest is declared as a function, which never gets called until the createServer talks to it
 
@XCritics exactly!
 
But, how come http.createServer works async, every time it's called doesn't it still have to wait for onRequest to pass
Or does onRequest store something in ,response and send it back out through the function to createserver?
 
4:03 AM
because you're not calling the function?
You're passing the actual function
 
But isn't the function being called by http.createServer('''onrequest'''')
What's an example of calling the function, if I had onRequest(a, b) inside of another function?
function blah(a, b) {
onRequest(a, b);
}

function onRequest(a, b) {
console.log(a + ' ' + b);
}
 
http = {}
http.createServer = function (requestCallback) {
    http.createListener('userMakesARequest', requestCallback);
}
 
Would my example be calling the function
 
then when a request comes in, it calls that function
 
Hm, I'm sure I'll understand better as I read more
 
4:07 AM
You're passing a reference to the function, not calling the function and passing the result
Functions are first class objects in JavaScript
 
Yeah so, would my example up 5 blocks be an example of calling the function
 
yes
vs something like this:
function blah(functionToCall, a, b) {
  functionToCall(a, b);
}

function onRequest(a, b) {
  console.log(a + ' ' + b);
}

blah(onRequest, 'hello', 'world');
 
So in that last line, I'm immediately passing arguments through the function blah?
and JS just knows magically to do it async?
 
in the last line you're passing the function AND the arguments
in that case it will be synchronous
but with something like an ajax call:
 
Ok so if it was a REALLY big function, it would hold up the process?
 
4:12 AM
yep it would
 
var http = require("http");

function onRequest(request, response) {
console.log("Request received.");
response.writeHead(200, { "Content-Type" : "text/plain"});
response.write("Hello World");
response.end();
}

http.createServer(onRequest).listen(8888);

console.log("Server has started.");

What is different here that makes this async if it appears to be the same thing?
 
Because the requests don't come in synchronously
It has to handle them as they come
 
hm
Could you refactor that to show it if it would handle it synchronously, maybe it'll help me understand better
 
There's no way to handle that synchronously
Do you understand the difference between synchronous and asynchronous
 
Yeah synch the code haults while it processes, async it has a callback so the code can continue and when it gets its callback can make use of it
I'm just having a hard time understand how this
var http = require("http");
http.createServer(function(request, response) { response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"}); response.write("Hello World");
response.end();
}).listen(8888);


Can be refactored to


var http = require("http");
function onRequest(request, response) { response.writeHead(200, {"Content-Type": "text/plain"});
Building the application stack 15
response.write("Hello World");
response.end();
}

http.createServer(onRequest).listen(8888);
and still have the same asynchronous result, I thought that the only way to be async was to pass anon functions :/
 
4:18 AM
nope, the function passed can be named
 
How does request know what information it is getting, and response know what information it is getting if you set createServer(onRequest) with no args?
 
all http.createServer(onRequest).listen(8888); is saying is, start the server, listen on port 8888 and whenever you get a message, use the named function onRequest to handle it
so somewhere in the node source will be something like this:
function handleRequestFromAClient (requestStuff, data, blah) {
    httpSever.theFunctionThatWasPassedInWhenIWasCreated(requestStuff, data, blah);
}
in your case, theFunctionThatWasPassedInWhenIWasCreated just happens to be onRequest
 
But how does it know to use the response argument, and not the request argument? Is that coded in the http module?
 
yes, at some point it will create a response and pass that in
That above is not the exact code obviously
 
Alright well, thanks for the help again, maybe I'm just having a hard time cause I'm tired, went to bed at 3:00am, woke up at 5:00am and worked a 12 hour shift, got home an hour ago I Think it's bed time, gotta be up again for another 12 hours in 7 hours
I'll be back again tomorrow nn
My sickest git push ever, 8 insertions (1 file first commit)
 
4:33 AM
The object-oriented model makes it easy to build up programs by accretion. What this often means, in practice, is that it provides a structured way to write spaghetti code. [Paul Graham]
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum hi i have a problem with m y script manager can anybody help me please
 
5:04 AM
@Zirak hi
 
hi i have an issue with my script manager "Microsoft JScript runtime error: Sys.ParameterCountException: Parameter count mismatch"
its happeneing when i do this getElementByID('<%=AddButtonID%>').click();
but if i remove the script manager it works fine.
 
For those who use Google reader, it is going to land after july :( Google's new decisions sucks ...
 
5:37 AM
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Q: go to home page when i select default in select-box

KarShoI'm new for WordPress. I'm using following code, <div id="cat_list"> <?php wp_dropdown_categories(array('show_option_all' => 'Categories') ); ?> </div> And my JavaScript is, <script type="text/javascript"> var dropdown = document.getElementById("cat"); ...

 
6:05 AM
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
6:37 AM
@BadgerGirl o/ @phenomnomnominal o/ @copy o/
 
@Darkyen Yes?
 
its just a way to say hi -_-
 
Oh hai.
 
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Q: Faster JavaScript fuzzy string matching function?

DokkatI'm using the following function to fuzzy match strings: function fuzzy_match(str,pattern){ return (new RegExp(pattern.split("").reduce(function(a,b){return a+".*"+b;}))).test(str); }; Example: fuzzy_match("fogo","foo") //true fuzzy_match("jquery.js","jqjs") //true fuzzy_match("jquery.js"...

 
 
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8:27 AM
woop woop
 
8:53 AM
do you guys want an interesting problem to solve with javascript
 

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