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12:00 AM
@rlemon Well, I have an idea what I want... but it's so hard to implement because it requires a lot of artwork to be done
 
yup @Some
@SomeKittens
 
@Crowz then get a different hobby
 
@rlemon that's good you know that must be a + right?
 
@tereško I drew the art haha but needs to be 3d animated
 
I do a lot of
write -> review -> refine -> delete -> re-write -> review -> delete -> refine -> re-write -> add more -> refine -> hitdeadline and ship...
 
12:01 AM
Can you make 3D animated scenes in websites?
 
Crowz you'll get better no worries
 
@Crowz canvas :)
 
!!s/hit/miss/
 
@SomeKittens I do a lot of write -> review -> refine -> delete -> re-write -> review -> delete -> refine -> re-write -> add more -> refine -> missdeadline and ship... (source)
 
CSS3 animations :P
 
12:01 AM
just socialize less and code more
 
Hold on lemme get a drawing
 
@SomeKittens no I don't miss deadlines - I never give myself any for one. and work deadlines are easy if you just ship what you have
 
lol it should be rlemon
 
1) make it work <- can ship at any point past this phase
2) make it work well
3) make it pretty
MS has taught us the power of the "hotfix" or "sp" :P
 
you said if you just shipe what you have that means even 0
 
12:04 AM
Ship it now - update it later.
@AditsanKadmus if I have nothing come a deadline I'd fire myself
that last statement made me want a drink. see what you did? you just drove me to drink.
 
I've never missed a deadline. Never had to hit one (boss kept adding features/updating deadline)
 
so you both work at what age ?
 
I had to stop making personal deadlines with code - I get on a pc with no "work work" to do and all I wanna do is be in here or game or watch netflix/porn
well I started working before I was done HS (software) and continued from then - took a brief spell as a retail manager - then back in software.
 
just curious because over here on your age we probably will be unemployed or still studying
 
dude I was a full time SQA specialist at 16 managing people with degrees. I wouldn't think so fast if I were you - I am an amazing bullshitter.
albeit hard to get the interview - not having a degree only means slightly less pay in N.A. (generally)
 
12:09 AM
good that's exelent
so you planing to have a degree or no ?
 
yes but not in software and not while i'm working
that is a retirement plan
I figure I'll be bored - I've always loved particle physics
why not
 
lol yeah why not
mabe build a nuclear reactor in backyard
why not?
 
why? thats just stupid. Where are you from?
I just want to know how the universe works dude.
 
no secret nuclear programs?
you sure ?
 
@AditsanKadmus 22, though I started my own business after the job fell through
 
12:12 AM
@SomeKittens got my first paying gig at 10/11 doing data entry after school.
 
I'm 22 @SomeKittens and still didn't graduate lol
 
made my first $$ from web dev around 13
 
@AditsanKadmus From college?
 
got my first legit software job at 16
 
brag contest
 
12:13 AM
well I was 15 when I was hired - but only for a few weeks.
 
is open now lol
no just kidding that's impressing seriously
 
@AditsanKadmus not at all. we're just comparing at this point - Amaan is 16 and knows a hell of a lot about more areas in web dev than I do - Abhishek is what? 18? kids got his code on hard.
SomeKittens is very smart - I took the hard route and self taught everything
takes a lot longer to do that than schooling does. but I felt it was a good choice.
 
over here graduates may know more about soccer than their major
FACT
 
where are you from
 
specially in some majors
Mama Africa lol
 
12:16 AM
over here graduates know more about where to buy pot than their school motto
 
the North of it
 
but i'm from Canada so that is to be expected
we also like sports and beer
lots of beer
 
I hear Canada is a calm good nice place
 
very much so
 
I'm from Tunisia and some of us go study there
 
12:17 AM
we're not all pussy shit like the media makes us out to be - but at the same time i'm not going to knife / shoot / punch you
 
I might just rag on you for a few hours then buy you a couple beers and we'll get shitfaced.
 
no nice country
it's better than having gangs all over the place
 
we have them - but they're all kids mostly or crack heads - just ignore them and if one approaches you kick them in the knockers
like we do have crime - but it's low compared to some other places
 
Some of you speak French doesn't they ?
 
12:19 AM
@dievardump does
I took it in school for 9 years... so I can kinda speak it conversationally
 
Yes?
 
so I take it you're not from Québec ?
 
it is our second language - so you have to take it until grade nine
some school start in grade 1 - some grade 4 I hear.
 
yes it's our second language too
 
12:20 AM
I'm from france, in Montreal, Qc, CA right now.
 
lol
you're from France ?
and you study in Canada ? or Work?
 
So any french related thing or I can go back to whatever I was doing?
Work
 
He's here for me... admit it
 
And rlemon, sure.
 
is it easy to get a visa
 
12:21 AM
darn tooting
 
I'm considering both Australia and Canada for later on in my life (very later on)
 
I'd say go Canada (but i'm Canadian so)
if you do move here - don't goto Toronto - it sucks
Vancouver, British Columbia is where it is at
 
@AditsanKadmus French?
 
lol I was considering Torronto
Non Tunisien
 
seriously - I live like an hour away from it - not only is there more jobs in my city - rent is half the price if not more - and like 10 times less crime / stupid shit
Vancouver is just a beautiful place to live
 
12:24 AM
and is it cheap to live there ?
 
living in Toronto or the GTA is stupid if you can help it (IMO) but some people like that crazy lifestyle
@AditsanKadmus when you first move here expect to spend half of your earning on rent / accommodations
food etc.
 
I think for my first years I would like the cheap kind of life style lol
I mean over here just considering going to Canada is expensive
 
once you are here you get paid accordingly.
 
oh ok so I'll probably be ok right ,
?
We mostly go to France and some of the French people are not a big fan of us , right @dievardump :) lol
 
Ontario minimum wage is like $10.25/hr
cheap rent is $600/mo
40*4*10.25 === $1640 /.33(tax) === 1080
600 rent + 200 food == 200 for w/e
thats just on MINIMUM wages
if you are a developer you will be paid much more than minimum
 
12:27 AM
@AditsanKadmus French are assholes. We love you. A big part of us love you. Don't listen to haters.
 
our system is setup such that if you have a job you will not be homeless
works most of the time
 
Glad to hear that :) @dievardump
rlemon so I'll bring my familly and come ?
lol
just kidding don't be scared
 
Things will change. in 10 years, France will be really different
And people will fight to come here, and not be afraid of haters
 
@dievardump actually my father have an exelent French, and one member of my familly is married to a French so I think you guys are ok :)
 
France has 20% of people afraid of strangers.
They will change their mind in the next 10 years. And all strangers will be welcome.
 
12:31 AM
yes those are the people giving it its bad image
 
It has too...
 
Canada is 97% strangers - and we're all friends.
 
so you welcome me ? lol
 
yes... that's why :)
@AditsanKadmus come here to visit, and you'll see how people are friendly.
It's like... CareBear ( Bisounours ) land
 
lol can't afford that if I'm talking about considering Canada it's in like the next 3 or 4 years
 
12:35 AM
How old are you
?
 
I'm 22 lol
but things move slowly overhere
 
no it's ok.
 
actually I'm one of the lucky ones so I can't complane
Hopefully the last revolution will give its fruits soon
 
Try to get French nationality. Then you can get a PVT (permis vacance traveil) which is a 1year Visa. You can apply for:
- Canada, Australia, Argentina, Japan, Spain, New Zealand, Singapor
But French nationality is maybe to hard o get. We are assholes about that
 
I can apply for Australia and New Zealand with my Tunisian Nationality and degree but for work visa
 
12:38 AM
PVT = Working Holiday Visa
 
I can't imagine it's hard to get into Canada - like I said we're 97% not-from-here
 
for now I must get some degrees and things will probably work out
 
@rlemon it's hard to get a Residency.
Really hard.
 
I'm native american myself - part of the <3% that make up Canada.
 
It's expansive too lol
 
12:39 AM
@dievardump I can believe that - but a school or work visa should be easy no?
@AditsanKadmus like I told you though - once you're here we pay you enough to live here.
 
School Visa for european is not needed if less than 1 year
 
I think if you pay a college you'll get a visa
if that college accepts you
 
College / University here is a little expensive
from what I hear.. (personally never went)
 
yup I know
plus that wage difference is crazy
 
if you can get a company to sponsor you ... probably the best bet
get a portfolio going and get a canadian company interested in getting you over here
 
12:41 AM
a doctor (medecin) get a 2000 Dinars paycheck per month if he's lucky (if he works with the state)
 
> In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada, doctors make between approximately $40,000 and $380,000 per year. The median salary—meaning half of these doctors make above this number and half make less—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
 
I'm thinking why not go nerdy in the next stage of my scholar life and maybe get a scholarship for PHD
 
100 Dinar === $1.21 ??
 
no lol 1 $ is like 1.5 dinar
 
what kinda Dinar
 
12:43 AM
so 1 dinar is like 0.75 or so dollars I don't know exactly
Tunisian Dinar
I think you looked up Algerian Dinar
 
1.00 CAD = 1.53 TND
dude there are so many of them
most are lower
I just picked a few :P
but yea 1.53 currently.
so if you brought any money you just made 50% look at it that way
 
we were better few months ago
yeah
plus the wedge difference 1 dinar will probably be like 0.001 $
speaking of currency
 
hrm. interesting - we are exactly on par with the USA right now
1:1
 
I have a friend working in Libya
 
hello javascript. anyone with intermediate to advanced php or python experience and want to explore collaboration possibilities with a malcontent on an open source project?
 
12:46 AM
hello
 
well i'm outta here
this room has been tainted
 
trained?
what does that mean ?
 
@dyelawn You want to pick up a PHP/Python programmer in a JS chat room?
!!/tell AditsanKadmus define tainted
 
i want to pick up a JS expert with some experience in php or python
 
@AditsanKadmus tainted: to contaminate morally. (source)
 
12:48 AM
@dyelawn How much are you paying?
 
in Libya you fill your car with gas for like 6$ or so
thank you chatbot :)
 
zero dollars per hour, with performance bonuses of 200% of hourly rate for early module delivery
 
@dyelawn So you want free code?
 
some will agree if you make it a 10000000000000000000000000% bonus maybe
 
collaboration
i will also be providing free code
 
12:49 AM
you must pay for code
wich kind of code ?
 
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Q: Blink Text with JavaScript

user1822824My code blinks text for an interval of time then clears the text. I plan to use this code in a quiz web app. When the user gets an answer right, "CORRECT!" will blink on the screen for 10 seconds. When the user gets an answer wrong, "INCORRECT!" will blink on the screen for 10 seconds. I'm look...

 
@dyelawn Ha, no.
 
i don't pay for code. i write code. i am looking for people with divergent strengths to collaborate, to whom i can provide a brief description of the project and who might want to collaborate
 
I'll pay a 10.05 $ if someone makes me an OS that can be comparable to Mac Os Ubuntu 12 and Windows 8 and then sell it to me for 1$
 
i don't understand what you just said
in short, the project is a multilang IDE based upon the principles of OOP.
 
12:53 AM
Deadline : in 1 hour
get to work !
 
there is no deadline for this project. it's an individual pursuit
i have no need to or interest in acquiring unpaid work on commercial projects
oh well. back to your regularly scheduled chat.
 
@dyelawn You read TDWTF much?
 
i don't know what that is
have a star
 
I thought since you used that phrase, you might.
 
1:02 AM
what phrase?
 
"back to your regularly scheduled chat"
 
oh
 
reading an article on that site right now, The Sysadmins PC.
 
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Q: Basic isometric projection in Javascript

Kevin Hikaru EvansI've been working on porting an old closed source game to Javascript with Canvas and I've come to a slight problem. I have 44px x 44px diamond-shaped tiles that look like the left side of the image, while I need them to "stretch" to fill the entire tile (like on the right). The tiles have a Z ax...

 
cool story. i don't see what poor imitations of short prose by nerds has to do with this, though
additionally, i don't have to touch any machines. amazon's are cheaper
 
1:31 AM
@dyelawn Then you are blind.
 
2:09 AM
Oooh Silly Android but is actually Silly Webkit bug!
 
@SomeKittens what if i actually were blind
 
What if @SomeKittens was actually a group of kittens?
 
the i would awwwww
 
Why? You're blind, you've never seen a kitten?
 
Guys, I have a simple question regarding to Jquery
Let's say you have element like
 
2:20 AM
let's not
 
<tr><td></td><td class="2"></td></tr>
 
When I set onclick listener to class 2
 
I want to access first td element through it
then I can go $(this).parent().find('td:first-child')
 
2:21 AM
Yep
 
I find this tedious way of getting simple data
 
.parent :first-child
 
is there a straightforward way than doing like above code?
 
There's siblings
Might be useful?
Or prev
 
2:24 AM
i'll try to clarify. i'm writing something in the vein of dart, but with a multilang approach. so all "authoring" is an abstract endeavor. "things" (objects/models/entities, whatever you like) are no more than names and data types. schema and repository are based on Doctrine/schema.org. client side are based on REST, and backbone
 
See how cool it is to use the docs?
 
@phenomnomnominal that's why you need to lead that guy on a wild goose chase for 5-7 minutes.
 
@phenomnomnominal I swear, you must just add another nom everytime I log in here
 
teach him to use google before he drops in laziness
 
@dyelawn, it's probably better to SHOW him the answer than TELL him the answer though right?
@CBredlow, I wish, three is enough
 
2:26 AM
@phenomnomnominal no. you just gave him a link to the answer
he didn't have to find where to find the answer
you are now the resource
 
@dyelawn, yeah in the documentation.
Surely next time, he just goes to the docs, I'm sure he isn't that much of an idiot
 
maybe. you'll have to wait and see. some people are too lazy to read the docs, and would rather just ask the question and be pointed to the right function
 
man, applying for jobs is scary
 
Why do you say that?
 
face-to-face stuff, or telecommute?
 
2:29 AM
well, I'm honestly nervous about finding a job, cause it's all far away, but more of an excited nervous
 
But, money.
 
yeah, and that's what I like
 
if you're a designer, a polished portfolio is your best friend
 
I'm now trying to apply to everywhere, and I'm not a designer
 
what do you do that is javascript related?
 
2:32 AM
oh I'm an intern, the platform we work on is javascript.
 
so server-side javascript?
or UX?
 
UX mostly
tinkering with bootstrap and kendo
and ArcGIS javascript
 
Hello
 
boo kendo
 
It's irritating at times, but it's not too bad
 
2:38 AM
just not a big fan of developing foundational ideas as commercial products
makes for a big disconnect among developers who do and do not have access to the tools. not to mention, "proprietary" often translates to "do it my way"
 
yeah
the place I work at is leaning towards getting rid of it, cause it's expensive
 
have found it to be a commercially repackaged backbone with (ill-advised) ui elements
although i do like that it emphasizes schema more than backbone
do you have any work that you can link to?
source or deployed
 
Not right now, no
 
3:09 AM
$('*').filter(function () { return $(this).children().length < 1; }).each(function () { $(this).text($(this).text() + "NOM") });
 
 
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Q: PNG image as a level map for 2d game

mshahbazmI've recently started 2d game development and have learned basics i.e collision, game loop etc I have used tiled map editor for making levels, But i was wondering if there is any way to use png images as level map as map created in tiled editor do not provide high graphical look. Or tell me if ...

 
Hello Everyone
i need some help with client side XMLHttprequest
im trying to make a call to external domain using javascript
the request was successful and server replied back with response
but the object in javascript have the status code as 0 instead of 200
any help?
 
In computing, the same origin policy is an important security concept for a number of browser-side programming languages, such as JavaScript. The policy permits scripts running on pages originating from the same site – a combination of scheme, hostname, and port number Same origin policy also applies to XMLHttpRequest and to robots.txt. This mechanism bears a particular significance for modern web applications that extensively depend on HTTP cookies to maintain authenticated user sessions, as servers act based on the HTTP cookie information to reveal sensitive information or take st...
 
5:09 AM
i see the server reply in fiddler
but not sure how to get that values to my object
 
Do you have to use canary to have chrome dev tools objects to have object data be from when it was printed?
 
What you by canary?
 
@pibcat think
 
i tried hardd
but no luck
 
5:23 AM
any help would be really appreciated
 
@pibcat chrome canary
 
@phenomnomnominal sigh...
 
its like beta version of chrome
 
Silly Wikipedia
 
5:24 AM
i used f12 developer tools
 
 
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6:36 AM
Hi guys) finaly i got here
 
Who are you.
 
@TroyCosentino You lol a lot.
 
@phenomnomnominal you caught me at an awkward time
also, i really need to change my avatar
 
6:52 AM
beta.lemonmeme.com is damn rocking
 
@NullPointer looks nice
 
The new one will be even better apparently!
 
7:18 AM
Guys can someone help me plz with lo-dash.js?
 
Y U no use underscore?
 
trololololo
 
trololololo-trololololo
 
ho ho ho ho ho
 
7:34 AM
oh oh oh oh oh
 
7:47 AM
lo-dash is faster no ? )
 
@user1379835 that's what ive heard, but never looked into it really
 
maybe ;)
i looked through some speed tests it was way ahead
 
well, io-dash point of existence is to be underscorejs with performance in mind
 
so can someone help with my stupid question? is it possible to use lodash/underscore bind function as a jquery bind(onclick)?
 
7:53 AM
both functions have the same name but a completely different behavior
they have nothing to do with each other
the equivalent of underscore's bind is jquery's $.proxy
 
thanks Florian ur cool... ))
 
@FlorianMargaine Stoked bro, he called you cool!
 
some colleagues have been using underscorejs lately
for the clone function or the isString function ._.
var arr = _.clone(arr2); // y u no use var arr = arr2.slice(0); ?!
if (_.isString(str)) // y u no use if (typeof str === 'string') ?!
way to include a big lib for no reason
 
7:58 AM
my boss told me to make our own jQuery style framework....
solo
 

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