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11:05 PM
@rlemon you got banned for that?
psh
 
nope
for this
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Q: Banned from chat for apparently inappropriate content?

rlemonBasically here is the scenario: In the JS chat room user A is talking about dummy text (keep in mind the room was pretty stagnant at the time) so I posted links to 7/8 lipsum services (not the text within, just the links) and user B says stop after the first 5/6, so I finish with my links and mov...

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yeah just read that. Lame
 
yea lame
lame that I got an hour and a half for posting links trying to help you :P
 
I didn't even need help. It was a play on how long Steve Yegge's blog posts are!
 
Do people anywhere (except for sports) ACTUALLY spontaneously start chanting?
 
11:11 PM
@SomeKittens lol it's cool. they shouldn't have been flagged to begin with, I think that is accepted
 
Yeah, they shouldn't. Whoever approved the flags shouldn't have either
 
I start talking to strangers all the time, But I did work in retail sales and outside sales for a while so you never really loose the habbit.
auto-ban
 
I upvoted, +5 rep
 
It should have been lifted. that is what irks me as well.
 
@rlemon Good to see you're allowed back in
 
11:12 PM
always good to be back in with the cool crowd.
 
> Let's tackle our final use case. Our plan was to allow users to upload an image file, and display the uploaded image in the browser. Back in the 90's this would have qualified as a business model for an IPO.
 
@rlemon It couldn't have been. It was an automatic ban. My advice to you: It's over, let it go, don't keep discussing it :-)
Anyway I am off for the night!
 
I was asked, so I answered :/
but yea. I've been banned before for stupid stuff, I think some people have it out for me
 
Can i ask a quick question about jquery ui widgets?
 
@SomeKittens lol
> If you have a question, just ask it. No need for pinging or asking if you can ask. - room description
 
11:15 PM
lets say i have this $("#scheduler").myWidget(540,900); I would like to know how to implement the two input parameters. I have an options object but i dont want to have to pass through all the options on each init of a widget.
 
Uh oh, think I borked something in apt...
 
ahh @Josh - I don't like name changes between sites :P it confuses me until I creep your profile :)
@SomeKittens what do you mean?
@JeremyChild sorry explain again?
 
node.js is so weird. I tried to install npm via the package manager, but it's going crazy
turns out I'm several versions behind, for some reason
 
yea did you add the ppa?
software center (and apt without adding the right ppa, just using the ubuntu server) has a very out dated package
 
npm is so great. Even its name is awesome
 
11:22 PM
I want to know how to send parameters to a custom jquery UI widget
 
sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:chris-lea/node.js
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install nodejs npm
@JeremyChild just pass the object, if you don't want to pass the entire thing make a smaller object to pass instead.
if the widget is coded correctly it will only change the values you pass in the object and not any of the previously defined values
 
ok, so the 2 options get merged into the existing default options.
 
@SomeKittens try running these commands above
 
I'll get to that as soon as I learn how to uninstall the current mess
 
@rlemon Thanks! That makes sense now : $("#scheduler").MyWidget({values: [100, 900]});
 
11:26 PM
woohoo! Turns out you can install/remove through regex!
 
yup
CLI is badass
windows seems like such a bottleneck after you master linux (which I am no where near, but already have seen the gains in productivity)
 
Exactly
I'm nowhere near mastery but loathe it when I have to use windows.
 
@rlemon I tried running those and i got the error message "'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command" how do i fix it?
 
Anyone else excited that HL3 will be Linux-exclusive? (Whenever it finally comes out)
 
what? what os are you on
 
11:27 PM
haha shit you have no sudo?
 
Oh poes law.
=D
i suppose its not fundamentalism but still the same.
 
ohh so you're trolling :P well done sir
@SomeKittens let me know how you progress :) good luck
 
I'll probably do my Source Saturday on node
 
How are you finding node?
enjoying it?
 
11:33 PM
IMO I think it is tedious and fun all at the same time. I plan on making the next installment of lememe with node.js
 
Yeah, I really like the concepts behind it
 
using any frameworks?
 
Not yet
Finishing up my first tutorial
I'm going to try to make a simple blog/CMS this weekend
 
Oh nice. If you get to have a look, try Express, it's awesome
 
github.com/Ralt/tartempion (I got your back @FlorianMargaine)
this guy is a serious node.js guy - contributes a lot of packages. He is a great guy to know if you want to develop using node.js
as is @Abhishek
 
11:39 PM
That looks really good
 
he's french so I don't get all of his subtle english jokes. but he is still cool :P
 
I think I'll do the basics in vanilla to get a better hold on what's going on
 
yeah good call
 
@phenomnomnominal I like those two, especially nodemon
 
11:41 PM
Yeah nodemon is great
are you using javascript or coffee?
 
@phenomnomnominal JS, duh.
I mean, either way I'd be using JS, but I'm doing it the real way
 
haha the real way! that's bold
 
Not in this room. I'm surprised @rlemon hasn't chimed in yet.
 
i did get that vibe haha
 
why anyone needs anything but what the browsers offer is beyond me.
more often than not it results in lack of understanding and crutches on the libs / syntax sugars.
 
11:45 PM
yeah, and why anyone needed anything faster than a horse was beyond a lot of people too?
 
^ not faster, slower in this case.
 
no, but the speed differences are generally so minute...
 
Basically:
Control/understanding === good
JS === full control/understanding of what your code's doing
CoffeeScript === mediocre control/very small understanding of code.
 
if you know what you are doing, cool. sad reality is many do not know.
 
this is true
i would never ever suggest someone START with coffee
 
11:46 PM
1 min ago, by rlemon
more often than not it results in lack of understanding and crutches on the libs / syntax sugars.
cough
 
the number of questions about -> vs => and just how 'this' works in coffee is ridiculous
 
the number of questions about how basic language agnostics work because they only know what jQuery teaches them + a few plugins is ridiculous
 
but for me, it's faster to write, cleaner to read, and makes writing big apps in js much more bareable
 
@phenomnomnominal can I ask you, when you see the "compiled" js, do you understand it? fully?
 
the fact that some people don't understand that jquery isnt a different language blows my mind
yes absolutely
 
11:48 PM
ok then I condone your use :P
 
it's pretty hard to debug if you don't
 
hang out in this room for a week and see what types of questions we get
 
i just finished up my year long honours project in my engineering degree using only coffee haha
yeah the couple of examples i've seen make me nervous
 
I would have slapped you, but that is not my call :P
give me braces and brackets. Whitespace is for decoration.
 
brackets is a tough one. I go through spaces where i'm just like doSomething withThis, just doesn't look like a function call
but {} are just yucky
 
11:50 PM
Whitespace as a syntax element is questionable
 
I also think having to understand two syntax forms for the same language is silly. Especially when you are just compiling minor syntax sugars to the real high level language
 
most style guides suggest some sort of indentation standard, it's just taking it a step further
they're not really that minor
 
jslint/hint and you are golden for compilers - because really... why do we need js compilers
 
i wouldnt call what 'class Triangle extends Shape' generates that minor
 
a good number of languages do implore whitespace block notation, however (and this is not being biased, look it up) the higher paying, more sought after programming languages all use braces and brackets.
 
11:53 PM
absolutely, but who cares about money if all your doing is boring shit
 
@phenomnomnominal but it really is, js has no classes. you are masking with syntax sugars what a class like object would look like if it were a class
bastardizing the language is what it is
 
yeah it is, but maybe javascript needs some bastardising to be more useful?
 
and for the most part the compiler spews out stuff that is in fact larger than what an experienced javascript developer would produce with the same goal. so you are reducing your codebase, but increasing the load on the end user.
 
Are you talking about things like coffee script?
 
@phenomnomnominal you are not adding anything to the language thought, you are converting what you like to write into some auto generated spew.
@Greg yes
 
11:55 PM
this is true in most cases, in my particular case it is better to send the compiler + the coffee to the client
 
it's not too far off from letting DreamWeaver produce your HTML from "design mode"
 
Oh, well JS is interpreted as a spew of C++ calls that an experienced C++ coder would produce much more elegantly.
or C, or whatever your interpreter is written in.
 
but it is what we have. you write a webpage in c++ and see how many browsers read it
argument invalid
 
Im just saying, if you want to abstract your JS to a higher level language, thats ok if the high level language is nice.
 
> here is Javascript
> no thankyou, I'll write a compiler so I can write it and make it look more like Ruby but have it translated back into js so you can understand it too!
> o_O.... ok.. why not just learn js?
> but I do know js...
> ...... i'm done here.
 
11:58 PM
Yea i don't really like coffee script
 
classes in Harmony look pretty interesting
 
i don't really like ruby either.
 
@Greg same
biased, probably
wrong, maybe not.
 
ruby is ok, but it doesn't have anything that i think shines, and its developers like short stubby non-descriptive variable names
 

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