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01:40
Another day passes, in the life of dear Max. One wrought with frustration, vexation, impatience. What might be the cause, on this calm, quiet day? A new animation, that just wouldn't come play? Alas, that was it, and it hit Max just right. His anger grew fast, he had such little time. He flew to the chat, put on a big smile, then asked Mattsven (of all!) to help him a while. At the end of the hour, progress hadn't been made, and Maximus concluded that his work couldn't be saved.
With some humiliation, and now far more docile, he muttered meekly in chat, 'I do not think (it's) possible'.
01:53
@Owatch of all? what's that supposed to mean
Also you have a Creative Writing degree waiting for you
It needed a pause there.
So I threw that in.
02:16
Hey - you're not planning on open-sourcing your app, are you?
Mine?
Well, maybe after I release it.
Why?
just curious, thought you said something like that
Hah! I would never give away my Patent(TM) technologies. All of which have been compiled from SO over the last few months.
I'll probably do that.
After I feel It's appropriate to do so.
It's actually got several pretty useful things.
02:26
So then this is mostly an experience project
For one, the use of UIScrollView with SpriteKit to make a scrollable 'map' and an elaborate UIGestureControl setup is one of the best parts to use from my project.
ah-ha
@mattsven It's a $ project, with experience too.
haha
i hear that
I've got quite a few more features to add to the sandbox
Then I think adding a 'Learn' option to read about planets and stuff is pretty easy.
Get some royalty free pictures, a few UITableViews
02:29
I wonder...why don't more people implement pay-what-you-want schemes in iOS apps?
Spent a week or so writing up some good descriptions, and then I can complete it.
Manually write them? :o
Like a base price, and then one or two more options.
Well, I feel if I'm charging for an App, I shouldn't copypaste from Wikipedia. .
Plus, I don't need that much content. I'll probably reformat it to include important information, and some cool facts.
@mattsven What do you mean?
or dynamically load it. you never know when planet specs change
@Owatch you know - offer users several payment teirs to 'unlock' an app
Planet specs change?
I'm not supporting this till 99938544
02:32
You never know. What if we find aliens?
charge for dlc
Then you'll be the only app that says Mars is uninhabited, instead of run by a sentient race of pillow cases.
Which everyone will know by then.
They can know for $.99
@mattsven Give me an example?
What unlocks?
basically, I'm proposing that the app is free. Basic version is sort of a trial - you can get a taste of the full features, but their either limited or unavailable until unlocked.
When the user decides to unlock, they can pay in-app for a specific price.
Starting at, say, $.99, then $1.99, then $2.99.
What I'm really wondering is if anyone has tried this pricing model, and if it has worked out for them.
Ah ha, found something along the lines of what I was thinking: theguardian.com/technology/appsblog/2012/jun/06/…
Oh, so like a moral system
user457812
02:37
Your brain is a moral system
I guess
lol
Go away Nil.
user457812
what
user457812
no
Yes.
user457812
02:38
I have red ale.
@mattsven If anyone pays, you better make sure that notification disappears.
of course
I don't think I'll choose that model. I don't know what features I can withhold.
I don't trust people to pay anyways, unless it's an app they really like. Especially in my case.
I know, won't work for everyone.
But also, that's why you should set a base price for that model.
They'll download my App, play around for an hour or two, then never visit it again.
02:41
See, that's part of the dilemma.
Nowadays, most apps are freemium.
It has to be useful.
Like AlienBlue
For that to work
Your app being paid (or not having a free version) is a barrier to someone checking it out.
Users like the convienience freemium apps provide - you can download an app and check it out right away
Unlike some products, I am selling an App with no ads though. Unlike the free ads on the App Store than come with an App.
not so with paid apps - there's an investment you're making
@Owatch you should include ads
So I can rake in 10 cents?
Don't I get paid by clicks
"The new alwaysOn(TM) front facing camera now generates revenue for App developers by tracking eye movement in your app. By determining whether or not they are looking at an App onscreen..."
02:44
$2.00 a click, $0.02 impression
haha
I feel dirty putting Ads in.
Stick em in
Stick em in deep
But yeah, I agree.
0-0
I dislike ads when browsing the web..
But there's some apps I get it on
What I don't get, is why people don't just embed web views in their apps with ads in them
there's probably a reason
oh wait, apple's probably banned that
security?
IDK
02:47
no, no iAd competition
Hey Nil, what dubious business practices have you engaged in when creating your Apps?
@nil tell usss
user457812
None.
user457812
I refuse to do anything that I wouldn't be proud of.
Sounds too airtight.
02:49
He's a man of honor. :`)
A shining beacon of morality.
Well Matt, what if he's proud of his in-App ransomware?
user457812
drinks more beer and belches loudly
user457812
Ransom.
What if 'pride' comes about from extracting money from people in increasingly sophisticated ways?
Nil is a monster.
user457812
I think you just described most business.
02:52
True.
We're making crystals tomorrow in my Lab.
wait kind?
I'm currently pretending to drive a manual using my hand and kneecap.
famous last words
@Owatch is here
Oh no
She did it, she did it again.
@Gudiya
02:56
yes
Just doing it back.
Matt, have you got knees?
03:20
the bees knees
@Gudiya do you have any independently developed apps in the store?
howdy
anyone here work with slide out menus at all?
everyone has
I mean everyone
hehe
I know carpenters who have worked with slide out menus
:D sweet then you can have your carpenter friends help me out :)
im trying to figure out how i can load a vc in the panel that slides to the right :l i know that's super descriptive n all, but that's basically what im trying to do.
03:29
anyone else have problems using GCDAsyncSocket with multiple connections in swift?
when ever i connect to a new socket, my old socket stays connected but does not send anything to the delegate :(
@Chris [UIViewController addChildViewController:]
[self.view addSubview:childViewController'sView]
size child view
basically.
@mattsven i tried that.
But that's if you're building it yourself.
There's plenty of controls and whatnot that'll do it for you
the vc is being added but doesn't slide :l
@EnricoSusatyo can probably help you
03:41
thanks
@EnricoSusatyo i was told your good with slide out menus.
WHOSE IDEA IS THIS TO PING ME
┻━┻ ︵ ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
i think it was @mattsven's idea ;)
@EnricoSusatyo how would one go about loading a vc from a tableview in a slide-out menu?
I have no idea, slide out menu is evil and not part of UIKit and you shouldn't use it.
sounds like an expert
user457812
05:29
Ok, why are we talking about poo on bread
user457812
@EnricoSusatyo You
user457812
@EnricoSusatyo need
user457812
@EnricoSusatyo to
user457812
@EnricoSusatyo explain
@nil You don't agree with my analogy?
user457812
05:31
I do not see how the things are related
user457812
> that will be fine for me do have git ? . i searched online for this building rest for todo but some have used diff frame works . so if you have curd app build will u share ?
who are you quoting?
user457812
See: Golang room.
LOL
To be fair, it's more like every room.
Have you seen this movie?
user457812
No, but I'm guessing it's about the guy who cuts his arm off.
user457812
05:36
Don't really care about that particular story.
I'm really curious now after hearing about it in one of my podcasts, but I wouldn't be able to handle the gore.
Especially the way he broke his bone...
06:02
So are people seriously putting screen protectors on their Apple Watch?
JESUS CHRIST, WHYYY
My $10,000 gold and sapphire watch is not strong enough so I'm putting some screen protectors on it. http://t.co/NlpJdztKBU
user457812
07:04
Ok, I now have at least one answer on codereview.se
user457812
I kind of don't know if the question I answered actually falls under code review
07:45
oi
today's gem: alias ‘argh’=‘git reset --hard @{u}’
if you like it star it
user457812
08:33
I have a git alias for lol.
@MichaelDautermann it seems like I won't be going to SF in June after all
where are you based @nil?
09:17
I think Idaho.
09:58
nowhere near where I'm going this time
10:15

programmers

Hi this room for swift programming discussion and problem sol...
10:25
good luck weeding out the help vampires
10:36
Hi guys, just struggling to understand memory management in the case where we add UIViewControllerA's view as subview to other ViewControllerB. Now if we want to add ViewControllerC's view to ViewControllerB as subview then ViewControllerA does not get released
Any idea
why would it get released?
UIViewControllerB's view will have two subviews
so what?
I dont need need previous one
I just need new view as subview
if you want to release UIViewControllerA then call [UIViewControllerA.view removeFromSuperView]
I tried removing ViewControllerA's view from ViewControllerB but that does not lower down memory
yeah i do that.
ok, so what has created UIViewControllerA?
10:38
But it does not lower down memory
what has a strong reference to it?
yeah
UIViewControllerA owns it's view not the other way around
just because you removed UIViewControllerA.view from its superview UIViewControllerA doesn't get released
yeah so i have differnt UVControllerD. Now i allocate ViewControllerA in there and assing to ViewControolerB
yeah that makes sense
So will UIViewControllerA get released. I cant make it as weak
if you make it weak it will get release long before you want it to
what are you trying to achieve?
10:41
HomeViewController *homeViewController = [[HomeViewController alloc] initWithSection:0];
    [[CanvasSingleton getInstance].contentController setUIView: homeViewController.view];
Then
it looks like you're trying to reinvent the UIViewController Containment API
OtherViewController *otherViewController = [[OtherViewController alloc] initWithSection:0];
[[CanvasSingleton getInstance].contentController setUIView: homeViewController.view];
yes
Now HomeViewController is not releaseing
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/featuredarticles/ViewControllerPGforiPhoneOS/CreatingCustomContainerViewControllers/CreatingCustomContainerViewControllers.html
http://www.objc.io/issue-1/containment-view-controller.html
10:42
contentController is another viewController. in contentViewController when i remove its subviews before adding other subview . Previous subview's viewController not released
read those
what you're doing is flawed in many ways
Yeah. I am trying to fix existing code developed by some other developer. Just got this to sort out.
yeah i know this is not best approach
what if CanvasSingleton.contentController.view gets resized or rotated?
but just wondering why it is not get released
Yeah i nkow i should have added as childViewController
to support that
exactly
follow the examples
follow the API
follow the yellow brick road
follow the white rabbit
10:44
Ok. But generally just trying to understand normal memory management. When we remove subview why its VC not get released
it may already be released
looking at the above code you retain the view but not the viewController
unless it's retained elswhere
Yeah true. I was checking debug navigator of Xcode and see memory is not actually going down when i remove subview
No it does not retain anywhere else. As shown above code, this is what app does on many places. just add subviews of VCs
one by one after removing previous one
seems to me that it requires major refactoring
yeah, somebody else code mate. Trying to fix it :) but just wondering why its not releasing VCs
don't fix it
ditch it
trust me it's probably faster rewriting it from scratch
10:51
yeah. i feel so.
In his app everything is referenced through singleton object
as shown in the code above
So it will always retain in memory
if you are curious as to when that VC gets released why not implement the -[NSObject dealloc] method and put a breakpoint in there?
Oh actually this is good idea.
I know
it's mine :)
:)
Morning
10:58
barely
but still
Morning
I'm selling the oculus Jim
should you or anyone be interested
Im waiting for the next gen tbh
yeah, I'm selling the dk1
for peanuts really
I really want to win one of these Architecture jobs so i can jsutify buying one tbh
ill keep it in mind
I'm also selling a cinema display and a very decent iMac
You moving over to be an Android developer or something ........ < Anticipates a slap >
11:00
/me slaps Dev2Rights
no, it's just stuff gathering dust
and one shouldn't keep stuff worth thousands of pounds collecting dust
tell that to classic car collectors
I did once
he didn't appreciate my lack of appreciation of his cars
he assumed I'd love to own one, but I said I'd buy a prius instead
I didn't fully win his affection
I put my stuff on gumtree, but man that site is shit
;)
I keep finding bugs, so many of them
in the apps as well
doing my best to fix everything
Aren't you supposed to be fixing that ?
11:07
not the site, but the apps yeah
take a look at this
Im sat fiddling with Color interpolation for some surface shaders
result.inlineBannersAdded = [(self.inlineBannersAdded_workaround ?: @[]) arrayByAddingObjectsFromArray:result.inlineBannersAdded];
lol
awesome
an absolute gem
the codebase is a treasure trove of such beautiful diamonds
Id find the person responsible and give them a slap, with a big nobbly stick
11:08
can't
he's in Germany
I know a guy in germany maybe he can do it for you
well I know Ukrainians who will travel to do that for me
anyway, the codebase isn't the worst I've seen
generally it's Ok-ish
Crowd sourced retribution
there should be an app for that
Interslap
11:11
yeah, something like that
you submit your target person and a description of why he deserves a slap
and if enough people upvote/donate...
Johnny Ive would get hundreds
I can't find the article I've read recently about the 100 most famous Britons alive
I know Johnny Ive was just a few places below the Queen
Yeah Gabe Newell would have had quie a few this week
and of course there were quite a few actors and musicians who were well above the Queen
#JonyIveForKing
he'd redesign Buckingham Palace into something remarkable
Well wontbe long before the UK sells the whole country to internation investors anyway
or at least the Tories
11:41
who are you voting for? the silverbacks?
12:12
Is there someone who can help me cell identifiers?
Swift
@Dev2rights @rage
I have 5 textfields in 5 cells.. (like: screenshot.cz/0KTUY) and I want to put only one textfield to cell.. And make it 5 programatically with cell identifiers? How can i do that? I was finding for hour without success :/ Someone who can help me? Really need it..
12:58
you ping people for help you get kicked
don't ping
read the rules
spifftastic.net/nschat.rules
it is not an obligation that we help you, we are also at work and might not have time
you post your question and you may get an answer from someone who can spare the time and feels like it
so don't ping
I'm sorry
user457812
@rage North Idaho. Nowhere near where anyone goes.
by definition :)
14:20
I'm creating outlet for TEXTFIELD and im getting error "The textField outlet from the PridatViewController to the UITextField is invalid. Outlets cannot be connected to repeating content."
hm?
14:59
Feature phones, never forget, imgur.com/I8Dhc3t
Dev2Rights can u help me with my problem?
Okey :X
Or is it possible to put "@IBAction to cellForRowAtIndexPath" ?
Because I'm doing programmatically textfields... and i need to put textfields to func saveTapped
15:35
I hate flash
patffo, I'm not sure what you're doing but sounds like a lot of mess
Afternoon'
rage, I'm doing with core data... You write something to textfield and it'll save to tableview... And I've textfields in tableview (I have 1 in storyboard and I programmatically add 5 textfields) and now I don't know how to put them (textfields) into function for saving button
@Owatch afternoon to yuh
15:52
There's few times more satisfying than when you write a massive amount of code, compile, and it all works
@patffo look into something like @selector:myMethod
if you programmatically created your text fields then your gonna have to programmatically create a method to call when creating the UI element.
Hey guys i have UIViewController. i want to show its view as full screen then Its View's smaller size view as thumbnail. I tried copy, copyWithZone, screenshot etc. nothing works
any idea
16:09
copy and copyWithZone have nothing to do with visuals.
They refer to memory allocation and object instantation
ok
so how can i take screenshot of visual
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A: How Do I Take a Screen Shot of a UIView?

KlaasiOS 7 has a new method that allows you to draw a view hierarchy into the current graphics context. This can be used to get an UIImage very fast. I implemented a category method on UIView to get the view as an UIImage: - (UIImage *)pb_takeSnapshot { UIGraphicsBeginImageContextWithOptions(se...

@mattsven where are all the slide out menu carpenters at?
they gave up
that's why they're carpenters
carpenters don't give up
16:21
How are you structuring your slide out menu?
i have a container vc which roothome, then i have a roothomecenter vc, and then i have a left panel vc
and left panel vc is the slide out menu?
yes
left panel contains a table view
So what have you tried so far? Why is it not working?
16:31
looks like it's working.
the calibrate vc isn't loading properly
the calibrate vc (the blue screen) should slide to the right, like the yellow screen.
@Chris I've got error with selector :/ pastebin.com/eU9g3YeD here's code and error can u check it?
@Chris what's the differences between their code?
If the code is the same for them to slide out...why aren't they?
@mattsven differences between which code?
@patffo i'm not good with swift at all, but what happens when you change the ("saveTapped") to (saveTapped)
@Chris "Use of unresolved identifier 'saveTapped'"
16:41
hmmm
what if you change action:Selector("saveTapped")) to action:("saveTapped"))
same
like with selector
i would google, "programmatic uibutton selector swift" ...something like that.
hmm i'm quite bored im doing it for 5 hours :D
@Chris i go through every page and nothin workssssss f that
mattsven can u help me?
17:00
@mattsven I decided to use words instead of symbols like you suggested .
Someone who can help me? I've got error with selector :/ pastebin.com/eU9g3YeD here's code and error can u check it?
Do you know what is bad customer service? When you pay for a $100 app and then they don't email you. you could say maybe it takes longer.. I used the beta and they replied within 5 minutes.. its been like 14 hours now and no reply when i really need help.. Not cool
If its not possible, a simple "Sorry" would have been nice
That's not objective C Patffo, so I can't help you.
I don't know why selectors are written in "" marks
It must be or u will get error
17:16
@patffo did you look at this, stackoverflow.com/a/24102198/708807
@Chris i have barbuttonitem
@patffo same difference
you basically want to call your "fuction" / method when the button is touched, ...probably on the touched upside event like that example explains
but i cant use addtarget for barbutton
did you try addTarget
it's a capital "T"
i mean addTarget
18:13
New feature..
18:32
How should I track orbiting objects?
You are allowed to set object to orbit others in-scene. However, they can float astray or be diverted off course by user actions. This may change the path, though it will continue to orbit. How should I make sure that objects are indeed orbiting? It seems pretty daunting.
I can add objects that were selected to orbit in an array property of its parent. And use that. However, there is no guarantee that that object will continue to orbit later. And it makes it problematic when deallocating/removing objects.
I may allow users to manually set Orbit positions. That may be better than handling it automatically..?
 
2 hours later…
20:10
I really ought to version control my project. . .
20:54
yeah Git is your friend ;)
use bitbucket if you want to keep your project private
user457812
Or just pay $5 a month and set up gitolite on a DO server.
that works too ;)
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