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00:03
NIL this games is hard
wolves keep slaughtering me
omg... stupid wolves
 
1 hour later…
01:16
Okay, that's convincing
I think I'm going to start programing Swift in Niknik once I wrap up the thing I should do now (so in a week or so)
i do like swift
user457812
01:47
I don't get to use Swift at work because blah blah backwards compatibility
user457812
Hell, our code doesn't even use ARC because nobody took the time to realize it's a good idea
geez.
user457812
02:12
You can probably imagine my frustration at proposing we employ modern Obj-C coding practices and being told that it wasn't a priority.
user457812
Or, really, just about any damn suggestion I make that involves us doing something intelligent rather than trying to kill ourselves
03:01
@nil Depends on the topic, or language (In SO's case).
wish i had a programming buddy
@nil It's what I've "heard". You should be paid more than that though.
I'll be your buddy
(Mutch)
user457812
I don't get paid anywhere near normal amounts for programming
user457812
I'm basically on a $12-per-hour salary.
Get out of there.
What are you doing nil?
user457812
03:03
I basically have a $25k salary.
I agree with Owatch. With all the troubles you seem to be having it's not worth it
Are you self employed?
user457812
Saving money and trying to get something on my resume.
How can you save if they won't pay you sh*t
user457812
By living with my parents so I don't have any notable living expenses
03:04
What will they do if you leave?
he's got a point
user457812
My parents or my employer?
Your employer, are you "replaceable"?
user457812
My parents will probably move. My employer will probably fail to find anyone similar.
nil is not replaceable...
03:05
Exactly
Just resign
maybe you should scare him nil
he might bump your pay up ;)
user457812
I don't feel like it.
Offer to "consult" for like $300/h
hahaha
Why don't you look for other jobs whilst you do this one?
user457812
Nothing I'm doing at work is something I'm qualified to act as a consultant for, and I get insurance this way
03:06
Can you ask for higher pay?
user457812
Because I have no work experience and everyone I applied to previously went "you have no work experience" and turned me down
Hey boss, the database has been looking pretty shakey later, and so has my pay as a matter of fact. .
user457812
I can ask for a raise, which is on my quarterly to-do list.
user457812
I already got one raise, since I was previously basically $11 per hour
You could make more employing yourself. .
03:08
mhmm.
user457812
I was self employed previously. You don't make more.
Make Apps for the soccer moms?
user457812
Would rather not.
Depends what you're doing doesn't it?
user457812
Contracting/consulting is hell on earth.
03:09
You don't even sound happy
With your current job.
nil should just come up with an ingenious idea and start his own business
user457812
Think of it this way: when you're a consultant, you're the guy they figured they'd pay less for rather than actually hire someone
user457812
I'm grumpy about not being able to do specific things I want to do, that's about it
Not really, you're deciding on the hourly rate are you not?
user457812
Not really. They usually have a budget, and either you do it or the jackass who bids lower does.
user457812
03:11
Keeping in mind that you're already competing with outsourcing companies and consultancies as a self-employed consultant
user457812
The people who are willing to hire a consultant are probably not that concerned about quality since they didn't care to do it in-house anyway
Not good news for me. I was under the illusion programmers got paid better than that. Guess I'll expect less now, if I ever try to graduate with a major in that area.
user457812
Most programmers get paid more than me
Look for something else
user457812
If you're devops, you're also basically guaranteed a job at some point, especially in the Bay Area
03:12
They're ripping you off.
user457812
That's fine for the time being.
I hope this doesn't become a trend for future programmers
That they pay like this
i hope so too...
user457812
I didn't go into this without thinking about it. Right now, my goal is to save money, and this accomplishes that. In exchange, they get what they pay for.
user457812
i.e., I will never work overtime. Ever.
03:13
i mean this is all i'm good at. and I'm not even good at it
Make sure they do
user457812
Overtime is stupid, crunch is stupid, you basically can't get me to do it.
In Germany, overtime is considered to be an indication of incompetence or stupidity.
Too bad the US doesn't follow that mentality.
user457812
The US is generally very bad with its concept of labor and work
It's a shame.
Should leave comments in your code
// Run while you can!
user457812
03:19
We make a lot of mistakes because we've convinced ourselves that more hours is loyalty, that you must show loyalty, and that more hours isn't harmful. It's a work culture made for machines, which is probably a side effect of the whole puritan work ethic garbage we so love.
user457812
There are definitely some interesting comments in my code.
i'd like to hear some of them
user457812
Can't, they'd be covered by an NDA
// The keycode to the executive break lounge may or may not be written on a sticky-note under Hamiltons desk.
Are your employers knowledgable or competent with what you do?
user457812
The CEO is. He wrote our Android SDK.
03:34
Hopefully you're not the only one there doing everything for them.
user457812
No, I'm just one of the developers. I'm just kind of one of the only ones with mobile dev experience.
user457812
Also one of the only ones who knows anything other than web dev crap.
Oh.
How are you so well versed with ObjC yet developing for Android?
user457812
I think I may be the 7th developer.
I see
user457812
03:36
Because I do Mac OS stuff and did some iOS stuff for fun but never released it (e.g., game engine).
user457812
Closer to 6 developers since one of them is the lead and he's been trying to get into a position where he can actually do more lead stuff and less programming, since he knows where stuff needs to go but he's bogged down by getting things done
I came on board with ObjC hoping I could make something back for my work. (Which you couldn't really do with Python). That seems more and more unlikely now, sadly.
user457812
Might've worked back in '08 or so. These days, it's dependent a lot on luck and whether you've got a big hit app on your hands, which basically means you've got a game or the next big to-do list app or twitter client
People don't make back what they pay in development, or don't get paid much for what they do, ect, ect.
user457812
'Cause social networking apps don't make money
user457812
03:38
Well, as far as pay goes, I'm an exception, not the rule
Yeah, guess that gold rush is over.
user457812
Also, I still make more than a senior developer in India.
Sadly.
user457812
That said, Asian coders in general are about the only people I probably make more than.
Though I guess there is some relative cost adjustment (Stuff is cheaper there, ect). Not significant enough though.
user457812
03:41
And that's likely because the western world sort of ensures they make jack all so they can continue to be exploited.
I don't think we are responsible for their low salaries.
user457812
Not even necessarily consciously, but just by refusing to do business with anyone in India that isn't $5 an hour we sort of reinforce it
It's probably got a lot of complex issues tied into that.
user457812
Tons of factors.
Their supply is so large, and there are so many willing to take the place of ones who refuse to take low pay.
I guess you could blame the West. But any business anywhere would operate similarly.
user457812
03:43
Whereas in my employer's case, I was in town and have a possibly better understanding of certain areas of software development than everyone else on the team
user457812
i.e., areas that are not web dev
Not in the same league as coding for stuff in ObjC, ect.
user457812
It's an at-will employment state, anyway, so if they didn't want me around, they wouldn't have to jump through any hoops to remove me (or vice versa).
Hopefully they'll regret that.
user457812
Same league or even continent, really.
user457812
03:45
Eh, I wouldn't want anyone to regret anything.
You wouldn't want them to wish they paid you more, if you left for a higher paying job?
user457812
Not really.
I mean, if you feel their pay is fair and all, then okay.
user457812
If I go somewhere else, I don't care what someone thinks.
mhm
user457812
03:46
If anything, I'd prefer it just be amicable at that point.
user457812
'Cause, honestly, by the time I decide I'm going somewhere else, more pay isn't going to talk me out of anything.
user457812
Either way, I have no plans to leave right now because this works for me.
Oh Nil, always a pillar of morality. A magnanimous attitude there.
Whatever floats your battleship I guess.
user457812
Not exactly morality.
No.
There's probably a more accurate word
Modesty
Maybe.
user457812
03:50
Pragmatism, I think.
user457812
I'm happier if nobody is unhappy, but I'll never go out of my way to ensure that.
Online user Owatch says "he never saw it coming", after an employee at ___ snapped this Friday afternoon and went on a killing spree inside his office. "He was always such a nice guy", his online acquaintances said.
user457812
Well, in my case, I'm the person who just says he quits and walks out the same day.
I'd like to say the same about myself, but I know there are times where I feel compelled to go out of my way to inconvenience others
user457812
Which I've done before, so I have some experience with that.
user457812
03:56
I think one of my hidden superpowers might be apathy.
Not if you want any written recommendations I imagine. .
user457812
I'm not sure how useful those are anymore.
"Nil can make a GUI in visual basic and track down IP addresses"
> HR
user457812
I.. probably could.
user457812
Do I have to recreate the TV show UI?
03:58
It needs numbers flying everywhere
user457812
Can do.
user457812
Why do you have a screenshot of my work machine's secondary monitor?
user457812
Actually, that doesn't look like it's tmux, so it's not
user457812
tmux is pretty great, by the way.
04:01
You're the '4chan' aren't you!
tmux?
that'd be great
user457812
user457812
I should put Linux on my work iMac.
Think I'll go to bed soon.
How else will I remain beautiful.
user457812
04:06
Think I'll download Walking Dead S2 and play through all the episodes tomorrow
user457812
So that way when I go into work again on Monday, I'll be as depressed as humanly possible
That's a healthy work attitude!
Watch a comedy.
Johnny English is good
user457812
But I can't play comedies
You'd watch it, not play it.
In any case, I'm off now. Night all
user457812
Bah, Walking Dead S2 must be played because Clementine must survive
08:22
@nil inverse square law
do i want to go there?
 
1 hour later…
09:36
I really hate taking iPhones apart
2
 
5 hours later…
14:17
why are you taking them apart?
14:54
Hi folks.
got a question up on SO, has 4 views, and nobody seems to know what's going on.
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Q: Why can't I drag a UIView into my UIViewController in Interface Builder?

AlmoI have a UIViewController subclass. It currently has a UITableView in it. I want the UITableView to be a subview of a UIView, so I can find the bottom of the screen and put an ad banner there. When I drag a UIView onto the UIViewController, it won't go there. I can drop it in as a subview of th...

It's really weird; I would have thought there wouldn't be any problem dropping a UIView into a UIViewController.
 
5 hours later…
20:24
so quiet here today
20:35
hi
I am scheduling an NSTimer when my viewcontroller loads
when do I remove the timer? viewDidUnload?
it looks like this isn't used anymore iOS 6 and later
-(void)viewDidDisappear:(BOOL)animated
still wondering about the UIView question up there.
 
2 hours later…
22:26
@Dev2rights because i dropped it in water and had to dry it out. every bloody screw is a different size
23:15
Hello mladyies
morning
downloading goat simulator. sick of working on this shader
You've got to commit, never give up.
i'm just having a brake haha
figure out a formula which works
but even though it's dependant on the variables that change the outcome doesn't...
No breaks
I think i want to do ludum dare 31
23:20
I've got a seven page paper to write
about what!?
Guess whether I've appropriated enough time for the task or not.
probably not
Good guess.
23:44
sup guys someone here?
I need little help
in swift
Nobody's here
23:59
Owatch, can u help me with passing url from tableview to detailview?

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