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12:21 AM
@ballBreaker Have you submitted any PRs yet?
 
 
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qki
7:00 AM
hello there
 
 
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10:17 AM
hello
 
10:28 AM
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Nov 16 '20 at 16:12, by Raghav Sood
Sorry, you're too poor to deal with me
 
hi
 
11:11 AM
hi
what's going on?
 
qki
11:28 AM
nothing much here, got back to work after a whole week off. Sad
 
:(
then its to hard to step up for that :|
 
11:51 AM
Hi
 
Tim
12:03 PM
hi guys
 
12:43 PM
hi fella
 
 
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2:29 PM
yoyoooo o/
@twiz yeah I've done 3 now :D
also fml LMAO my luck is so fucked
 
2:42 PM
Hey. Do We really need learn Kotlin? or we can just continue with java...
 
just for one project stick with java otherwise learn it
kotlin is simplified java so won't take you long
sup bb
 
Hello all. I'm working on a intruder selfie app in which I have to always run a service. But problem is the service stops when phone is restarted. And BOOT_COMEPLETED BroadcastReceiver is not working in my case. Is there any other solution?
 
Tim
you can not "always run a service"
 
So does that means if a user turns off his phone, then he needs to open the app to start the service? Isn't there any other way for this?
 
Tim
also need <action android:name="android.intent.action.REBOOT" /> for restart
and maybe others, depends on the phone manufacturer
 
2:49 PM
"BOOT_COMEPLETED BroadcastReceiver is not working" you are missing something thats why, probably what tim said
on android 8.0+, you need a sticky notification for a service to run in background
 
I used these

<category android:name="android.intent.category.DEFAULT"/>


<action android:name="android.intent.action.BOOT" />
<action android:name="android.intent.action.LOCKED_BOOT_COMPLETED" />
<action android:name="android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED"/>
<action android:name="android.intent.action.QUICKBOOT_POWERON"/>
<!--For HTC devices-->
<action android:name="com.htc.intent.action.QUICKBOOT_POWERON"/>
<!--For MIUI devices-->
<action android:name="android.intent.action.REBOOT"/>
 
@SomnathPal did you register a boot completed broadcast receiver?
 
@asim nm man, I was feeling very unlucky because I saw the girl that hurt my heart on saturday
AND THEN I SAW HER AGAIN LAST NIGHT LMAO
this time I ran into her at the grocery store and we said awkward hellos and what not and then she avoided me in the grocery store hiding in a corner for like 15 minutes
 
@asim Yes. I did it in Manifest along with the Intent Filter as given above
 
it was so improbably, borderline impossible statistically that I'm not even sad this time, I just find it funny
so I'm waiting to see if the shoe drops on that and I get sad but otherwise I'm good lol
hbu
 
Tim
2:54 PM
it doesn't matter which broadcasts you register. If your product depends on a service running always 100%, it is going to fail
 
I am doin okay, doing some hobby projects
@ballBreaker hope you get haunted by this ghost
 
lol T_T
 
@Tim The service captures pic of a person trying to open phone and enters wrong pin.
 
already being haunted by that ghost apparently
don't see her living in my area for 2 years ... see her twice in a row leaving my house
wtf is that lmao
 
@ballBreaker prettiest ghost ALIVE
 
2:57 PM
lol
she is honestly so hot its upsetting
but shut up
more like ugliest and meanest ghost
 
Tim
@SomnathPal how will it do that in case it is not running?
 
Yes that's the issue. In case of phone restart, service stops and so is the function.
 
@SomnathPal if you are taking pictures periodically android is going to kill your service much earlier
 
Probably because of Android restrictions
 
@asim No not periodically. Only if person enters wrong pin
 
3:01 PM
@SomnathPal then you don't need always running service
 
@asim wtf is this lol
no offense but indian songs are whack af
 
@Taseer but ain't she hot
 
Yes. Earlier function was not working if service was not running beforehand. Let me see if service opens on wrong password enter
 
@asim Nope
 
oh asim was talking about something else lmao
 
3:07 PM
@ballBreaker what happened this time? lol
 
read down just a bit lolol
 
oh, well, I guess I take back what i said about the odds. haha
 
haha
seriously though, don't see her in my area for almost 2 years, then twice in a row, what the fuck universe haha
 
Those awkward moments are the best
 
this time I was REALLY not expecting it either, I was thinking I used up seeing her so it'd be like another 2 years xD
 
3:11 PM
Maybe she moved to that area or something?
 
oh she lives in my area
 
You should find a place somewhere near her place
 
I just think it's crazy that despite leaving my house multiple times a week I've never seen her and then see her twice in a row
lol I could theoretically hang outside her apartment and see her every day if I wanted
if thats what ur getting at
 
But you can't because of the restraining order...
 
lol
 
3:15 PM
Why does it even matter when you are not with her anymore?
Am I missing some context
 
it hurts my heart seeing her
thats all
you'll like a girl one day and feel this, its okay
 
You need to get on #sigmamalegrindset
 
sounds retarded
 
I want to make a dark joke here but I can't lol
@ballBreaker Haven't you seen the meme?
 
sorta
 
3:22 PM
Well, personally I did liked a girl but that was like 5 or 6 years ago
 
@Taseer same
 
I don't plan to find "love" anymore. If I don't find a girl interesting anymore I just drop it all
On to the next
 
you gonna like it
 
probably the best way to go do it idk
I actively seek it out and get disappointed a lot xD
I do well with girls casually though I'll have to admit that
 
@asim haha, that's a sigma male rhymes
 
3:30 PM
I'm just happy that I'm not too sad about it at this point, might have even been a good thing yesterday because it was so ridiculous that it turned the whole thing humorous
 
you will eventually get over it, fallin in love is like a vaccine, once you survive you become immune to it
 
What's interesting is that we rarely label a person as the 'one or the unique person in the world. The truth is, they are just as ordinary as you are and as non-unique as you are. There are 100s of similar people but it's just that we don't interact alot
 
well this got dark quickly... lol
 
Everyone is replaceable
 
good to see we're pushing that boundary further though. lmao
 
3:33 PM
Hahaha
Before using Tinder, I did not know there I was actually very likable. It was awakening experience lol
But yeah it's been a disappointment in a sense that I am unable to find girls with interesting personality
 
I don't even try coz I know I will get bored within a day
hate it when someone is asking me what I am doing every hour
 
You talkin to crazies bro
 
where do you find non-crazy ones
 
3:51 PM
lol
you guys are fucked
;)
I'm jk
you guys sound depressed though
or maybe depressing
or maybe women in pakistan and india suck
 
I am just dead inside
3
 
hahahah
I am definitely a little too women/love oriented
 
if I don't feel for someone its a huge no for me
love songs those I used to listen on repeat sound boring now
 
hahah yeah
I feel too much for too many
 
Tim
4:19 PM
did you guys install the new halo already?
 
@asim maybe you should try outside of mental asylum :)
lol
@asim same
@ballBreaker We all suck
Gotta blame our parents
All they ever make a kid is to focus on one thing only
Brooo BF2042 is such a disappointment
 
4:39 PM
hahaha
 
@Taseer what did they make you focus on
@Smarticles101 yo
 
yo yo
 
4:55 PM
whats up dude
 
not much just been vibing
writing code
hackerman vibes
 
nice man
 
Word
 
I figured out how to persist data in my mobile app using sqlite
feeling like a genius
 
@Graeme yo graeme!
niiiceeee
 
5:00 PM
@Smarticles101 room or direct queries
 
queries
 
@Smarticles101 make your life easier
 
i'm using react-native :)
trying to be cross-platform
 
@Tim i'm no gamer, but I can proudly say that I played Halo 1 on PC, 18y ago or so :D
 
Wooooooooooooord mister BB
 
Tim
5:05 PM
I have all the games and recently started from start again, doing some halo 1 missions in my free time
 
I've got a weird questions for you guys - if you were excellent at your job - what would convince you to move to somewhere new?
(apart from money - since that really doesn't work)
 
Tim
switch job or switch home?
 
@Graeme ayyy dude how you doin
@Mehdi hehe yeah same here, great game.. played Halo 2 on xbox 360 as well
 
Switch jobs
 
but gave up on halo after that
 
5:07 PM
We're trying to hire lead's for iOS and Android (And I'm pretty sure web)
and there just aren't many good people applying
 
oh goodluck in this labour shortage lol
yeah lol
 
if bill gates sent me a personalized memo i would
 
Tim
I wouldn't switch jobs unless I did not feel appreciated anymore or all my friends have left and I'm the only OG left, or I don't get along with colleagues anymore, that kind of stuff
 
yeah or like SUBSTANTIAL raise
 
5:11 PM
a substantial raise for me would be like $20 and a can of monster
 
just... $20
not even an hour or anything
 
i mean
$20 is $20
 
bonuses in america: "here is a $20 bill and a can of monster, good job or whatever...fucking loser"
 
could buy a lot of ramen
 
hahah gross
 
5:14 PM
haha
i should probably be making 3x as much for my job, but since i'm working for my university they'll only pay students up to a certain amount
 
makes sense
what is the hourly rate for that out of curiosity?
I made $20/hr at my university job through the school
and it was walking girls home who were scared to walk home alone lmao
 
i wish
i'm making like 9.60/hr
 
I loved that job
 
a guy scammed my cousin of 400$
 
@ballBreaker is that in CAD?
 
5:17 PM
@Tim same
 
@Smarticles101 would be kinda weird if they paid me in USD haha so yea
 
for the nature of projects as well, if projects become boring or something and it's clear from the roadmap that nothing interesting is coming
 
lol true
 
@ballBreaker really?
and getting paid on top of that
 
Money isn't cutting it - we're paying pretty well
Way over market
 
5:20 PM
how much for the role?
out of curiosity
because the market has changed substantially since the labour shortage from what I've noticed
I think average senior salary I was seeing was 150k/year now
 
For the level of senior I'm looking for, negotiable from 120
 
yeah thats low
 
That is definitely not the case XD
 
when I was looking, 4/5 senior roles that were trying to lure me in were offering that
 
You won't find a single posting offering that :P never mind "average"
 
5:22 PM
haha okay
 
I call foolsies
 
I guess those people were liars
 
@ballBreaker how much is that net? (Including social contributions and healthcare etc..)
 
@Mehdi benefits aren't usually baked into the salary negotiations in that regard
so it would be 150k/year + benefits + bonus etc
 
Benefits = healthcare + retirement?
 
5:23 PM
sounds like big dollars. i chose the right career field
 
@Graeme lets just say I started as an intermediate VERY close to that number
if not a little bit higher
just this month
 
This one pays more - linkedin.com/jobs/search/…
But that's for a lead - I need an individual contributer
 
I know my company is starting at 150 for senior
the labour shortage has really driven salaries up
 
Otherwise this is the only one I see posting a salary (which means it's the highest) linkedin.com/jobs/search/…
 
I'm recommending my friends to quit their jobs rn lmao
 
5:25 PM
maybe i should drop out of school and just go get a job somewhere
id be rich
actually i just gotta see my app through. throw some banner ads in and then profit
imma be rich either way
 
lmao
don't forget us when you get rich
 
ramen on me when i'm rich
 
@ballBreaker "Just focus on studies"
Schools suuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
 
yeah that's outdated for sure graeme
although keep in mind this is decently subjective as it's just what I was hearing from recruiters and companies over the past 3 months when I was looking.. but intermediate salary now is between 100-120k
and lets just say that I make more as an intermediate right now than what you are offering for a senior
if you want to see it yourself, turn your linkedin to "open to positions" and let some recruiters funnel in and then ask them for salary ranges and you'll believe me
@Taseer lolol
I wish I was able to just focus on studies
 
5:40 PM
I wish I could sleep
o/
 
5:52 PM
Do you have any sources BB? If you do I can use that to raise the wage
 
o/
 
nothing concrete other than my paystub and conversations I had unfortunately
 
did you try the SO calculator?
it's from 2019 so a little low but might get different results
 
I get the feeling that many new benchmarks tend to lower the "average / median" salary on purpose
It's as if they're were trying to lower the market and expectations of people
 
well considering you can almost always get a raise by job hopping my guess is the market is priced higher than the workforce average
like I know I'm worth more than what I make but I stay because of the equity stake and the work environment
so I'd bring that average down
 
6:02 PM
yeah the hike in salary has mostly been in the past 6 months
so that tool will be outdated
 
@DaveS good point
 
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Tim
@ballBreaker what is the cost of living like over there? Salaries here are 2-3x lower
 
a studio condo costs like 1 million dollars a 40 min commute from downtown
or something ridiculous like that
 
Tim
aah ok
a decent house here only costs 0.5-1 million
 
6:07 PM
BB was just complaining how even with a good job he can't afford a house
not as bad as I said but it's bad I guess
 
yeah real estate market here is fucked
the chinese ruined it with the assistance of the canadian government
 
the canadian government is responsible for covid?
I knew it
 
nah they let chinese nationals buy real estate here without ever moving into the homes or leaving china
so foreign investment has driven the prices up to ridiculous levels
because the real estate market in china is absolutely FUCKED
so instead of buying a $2million CAD condo in beijing, they buy a $2million CAD detached home here
 
sounds fucked
 
Tim
we have foreign investors buying up places left and right to then rent them out to expats, but also our government loves immigration and housing immigrants in our teeny tiny country, locals can fend for themselves right
 
6:14 PM
yepp
@Tim same exact story, yea
 
Tim
canada is tiny? :D
 
yeah except that part
lolol
 
Tim
so for you it's easy, just build more houses
 
lol if only it was that easy tim
 
Tim
6:23 PM
we would have to convert more sea to land, or invade belguim
 
^^^ Canada but it's just roads
it's like 1 california
 
yeah there's only so much "hospitable" land to build on, and for whatever reason despite the government allowing chinese people to molest our housing market, they put tons of regulations on new builds and it's incredibly difficult and a slow process to build a new house
 
Tim
and quebec doesn't even count, am I right
 
I don't get it, there are solutions to this, but my guess is that people are making so much fucking money on real estate that they don't want it to change
 
yeah it's basically trashy france
 
Tim
6:25 PM
just build somewhere, canda so large they won't notice. Or do they regularly inspect all of the country
 
honestly, the pandemic is helping with that I think
but people wouldn't have wanted to drive 4 hours one-way to get to work lol
like 80% of jobs are in toronto in ontario at least, but it's like 0.005% of the landmass of the province
but now that remote is becoming more normalized that might be more of an opportunity, although internet in those remote areas is horrible
basically we need to stop letting foreign nationals buy houses in our countries without living in the country, and at the same time build more houses, and improve internet infrastructure in areas outside of city centres so people can move
 
Tim
I think you should run for office and get it done, sounds easy enough
 
lol
realistically I'll get offered like $2mill from some chinese dude not to do it and I'll be like "okay"
 
all our problems would be solved if Thanos won
 
yea seriously
I wouldn't mind if 50% of people died as long as I am one of them
 
6:35 PM
it's not too late to do your part
 
my balcony looks pretty nice rn
 
@DaveS 15 years experience and Masters gives you 140 tops
Which is about right from what my view of the market is - but no where close to what BB is seeing
 
yeah you'll need to leverage a competing offer then
 
Tim
he's single so easier to pressure him into making overtime, got nothing else to do anyway
 
@Graeme you should do some research and get some recruiters to contact you for senior positions lol its a bit of work but you'll see pretty fast
 
6:39 PM
We have a few working for us :)
 
or you can hire me
 
And I'm not getting "good" people
(I'm picky)
 
yeah I heard that being an issue from the recruiters as well that I talked to
 
Well... not picky. I just have minimum standards :P
If I can show an average wage for a good senior is 150 I'd have no trouble getting the money for it
Money seems to be the lowest factor in all of this from what I can see. At a certain wage most people would prefer somewhere nice to work than an extra 20l
 
you're unfortunately not going to find any data on that right now because it's all done through polling, and my guess is that none have been done in the past few months
 
6:41 PM
Especially when take home from that extra 20k is like.. $400 a month :P
 
Tim
I will work for you remotely for less than 150k
 
Send me your Resume
Legit
 
Tim
don't have one
 
... Although it would be weird working with you guys as you all know I'm a massive child and you'd see through my professional personae :P
 
I will work for you remotely for less than 150k 100k
 
Tim
6:44 PM
same, you'd quickly realize I don't know all that much for a senior and send me out the door
 
No one knows all that much, good people pick up what they need in a timely manner
 
.... I know that much?
 
and work is more fun with man children
 
And I'm pretty sure you two do as well :P
 
though I'd probably have to notify HR if I worked with Graeme about his advances
 
6:46 PM
I need people who can independently build products and refactor code - and deal with other developers who are all autistic as heck
 
haha
 
.... I should probably delete that so I don't get fired
 
Tim
I moderated this room for a few years and banned fewer than 10 people, I'm excellent with autists
 
helps to be part of the community
 
That's what I'm saying. You, Dave and Warren I wouldn't hesitate to hire :P
 
Tim
6:47 PM
xD
 
BB could intern for free
 
lol I make as much as your seniors do as an intermediate
I'm good ;)
 
Tim
I wouldn't hire myself. I'm completely out of touch with what is modern android development
 
Apparently so :P
 
oh is it android
 
6:49 PM
Where do you work? Are they hiring?
 
they are actually, I think
 
If they can beat my salary I'm in :P
 
hehe
"lmao so you guys know how I was trying to find seniors? well I found out I can make more elsewhere, later losers!"
 
why is nobody talking about hiring me :-(
 
You joke... but you're not far wrong :P
 
6:51 PM
we've heard you speak asim
 
lmao
 
I promise I would never electrocute myself again
how about now?
 
"not electrocuting myself" is a pretty low bar
that you failed to clear in the past
 
Just noticed that Asim was/is talking :P I have him on ignore - I think he was mean to me at one point.
 
@Graeme whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttttttttt
 
6:54 PM
Sorry Asim (ish)
 
lmao
poor guy
 
I've asked how difficult it is to set up a business entity in a european country so we can hire in Europe, so, that will hopefully help
 
I may have called you a polar bear in the past but thats all
I am not mean :/
I actually respect you for that
Jun 9 '20 at 18:34, by Graeme
Ah, that's because there is special code in DialogFragment to intercept the back event
 
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