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12:59 AM
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@ColdFire yooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
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I should make a trip to the bay area
There are a few people I'd like to hit with books on API design
Maybe with a baseball bat too
Or a steam roller
I'm not picky
 
Now, one would assume that if you're sending someone webhooks, the webhook event type would be a top level json key, right?
Not according to these guys. They decided to stuff the event type in a nested object, that may or may not be present, and might move a few levels up or down depending on how the event feels
 
1:18 AM
I am annoyed by google api keys, why are there so many different kinds of keys??
 
It weeds out the noobs who can't handle the overhead
 
My app used to work ...
 
And my life had a purpose
Now, I serve a higher power
 
It has been for many many years.
My life serves a higher purpose too, and it should not being sorting problems relating to keys ...
 
Keys are important
What keys are annoying you?
There are usually good reasons for multiple keys
Mostly service-level splitting
 
1:28 AM
@RaghavSood No doubt, but it should also allow single key access.
Should give people who want to keep things simple the option.
 
To what?
 
So there are keys for signing apps, keys to use map, keys for place apis, now there are keys required on application level as well??!
 
They are all very different keys, though
Signing apps use cryptographic keys
service stuff is usually just tokens
Nothing to do with cryptography
They're all keys in the same way that your door key and piano key and car key are all keys
 
I have 1 key to access the whole house.
 
Sure, and that key works for that specific purpose
If you want to play the piano, you can't use your house key
Because even though pianos have keys, they have nothing to do with access control
So you need to use those specific keys for that usecase
 
1:31 AM
Why do I need keys to access a piano in my house??
piano is unlocked in my house
 
keys that you press
That's why he said "nothing to do with access control"
Also, that's all I read of the convo
 
The levers on a piano are called keys
In the same way that your maps key and keystore are both keys in name
But are functionally very different
 
@codeMagic but the keys required for apps are all about access control
 
they aren't levers. more of buttons
 
Not in the same way, though
 
1:32 AM
What an interesting class about keys!
 
The access control schemes used by the keystore are signature based
 
But what's the key problem here?
 
Whereas most tokens are just presentation based
Similarly, you often set keys in your manifest or application that just tell other apps/the OS how to act with your app
Which is not related to access at all, just configuration
 
It's very easy to make things complicated, very hard to simplify them. If you make things very complicated for people who want to keep things simple, you are probably doing something wrong.
 
If you try to simplify things that are complicated for valid reasons, you're also doing something wrong
Sure, google could probably build a system where you can get a single token for maps, firebase, oauth, etc.
But their backend would become several orders of magnitude more complex
 
1:35 AM
sophisticated settings should only be used to fine tuning things, not to make them work
 
Because all of these are essentially separate companies within Google
With little coordination between them
At that point, google might as well just release a key proxy where you get a single proxy key, and google maps it to keys from twilio, google, facebook, whatever other sdk you use that needs keys
 
I can understand a complicated system for prototyping purposes, not a working system.
Like design a car
 
@TelKitty how many keys are you using right now?
 
I feel like we're having two different conversations here
 
3+
 
1:38 AM
And you save those keys in your head?
 
app biz is not as profitable as property biz and does not have enough potential as a.i. robotics, I really should spend less times on apps ...
 
Apps are a lot easier than robotics, though
 
robots don't require 100 different keys
 
Just wait till you discover wires
And magic bytes
 
1:43 AM
@RaghavSood power, data and clock?
only the necessary ones, not 100 different redundant ones ...
 
1:54 AM
Now changing the topic... Somebody here knows what formula CryptoCompare uses to rank the coins?
 
Isn't it just volume?
 
nop
Ideally one would think it would be market cap... but no...
 
Looks like it's just volume
 
When you compare the api contents with the list they provide on the main page you notice they don't rank by volume
When you compare the api contents with the list they provide on the main page you notice they don't rank by volume
 
The main page does rank by volume
APIs are likely unordered
 
2:01 AM
mjm
unordered, but the api returns coins that are low ranked in the main page, however, have more volume
4 example wbtc has more volume than BTC itself
 
Not according to their website
wBTC has a volume of 0 on the site
What does the API say?
 
letme see
171132.32066242988
ittai! the api has 4 diferent volume fields with no documentation
uff, there are looots of differences between coinmarketcap.com and cryptocompare.com
 
That looks like the amount of wBTC traded
Apparently, for 154 usd
Which is basically non existent
 
2:25 AM
o.0
 
2:53 AM
ola o/ guys
it's been a while
 
@Cjames what is ola?
 
Hi?
short for Hola?
 
3:09 AM
Now I get it :D
ola in Spanish means wave
 
3:52 AM
seriously ... which key should I use for google direction api??
I was getting this:
{
   "error_message" : "This API project is not authorized to use this API.",
   "routes" : [],
   "status" : "REQUEST_DENIED"
}
then this:
{
   "error_message" : "This IP, site or mobile application is not authorized to use this API key. Request received from IP address 211.30.223.27, with empty referer",
   "routes" : [],
   "status" : "REQUEST_DENIED"
}
now this:
{
   "error_message" : "The provided API key is invalid.",
   "routes" : [],
   "status" : "REQUEST_DENIED"
}
 
Thanks for pointing in a general direction that leads to a million places ...
I am requesting google direct support, they seem to be providing a timely service last time ...
 
@TelKitty may I know what API are you trying to use?
 
https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/directions/json?origin=-33.70131703944214%2C151.11103229475805&destination=smiths+lake+nsw&sensor=true&key=xxxxxxx
I have already tried all the keys in api console and created new ones ...
 
I need a simple answer to a question about an app that used to work, not reading 500 other pages of documentations.
efficiency, human knows none
 
do you have a key for google complains API?
 
there is a secret page for elite ppl :x
 
please share with mortals :D
or maybe try googling: google maps api The provided API key is invalid
I'm sure you will find a solution before the support answers you
 
All customers get free billing and technical support for Google Maps Platform.
@RaymondArteaga :p
 
4:24 AM
Free doesn't mean fast
 
couple of hours respond time is not slow
 
Then have some tea (or whatever is the usual beverage in your country) and wait :P
 
I have a few other things to work on.
This is not the only thing I need to get done today.
 
Hmmm
My bank just send me a letter by post, to tell me my statement is online
 
what is a statement?
(financially speaking)
 
4:27 AM
Just a monthly list of incoming/outgoing transactions
 
by post you mean "regular" mail?
 
Yes
 
would you prefer an email to tell you that your statement is on the mailbox crossing the garden??
 
Hello, Android!
 
I would assume an email for an online statement would make more sense
 
4:30 AM
@RaghavSood how thoughtful
 
well... I guess is time to sleep :(
 
Sleep is for the weak
 
told a robot to a frog...
good [your current time descriptive word] everybody!
º/
 
5:00 AM
Log.i("Android Developer","Good Morning Every one !!");
 
5:28 AM
@RaymondArteaga got a response in 20 minutes ~_~
But I need to visit bureaucrat to sort out some other things ...
 
Achy97 requested access. Rep: 281 - Questions: 24 - Answers: 6 (ratio 4:1)
 
5:58 AM
Morning Everyone
Morning Bot
You working so hard. :)
 
eLi
6:26 AM
Good Morning Everyone
 
!reject
 
@Achy97 you currently do not meet the requirements to chat here. You can find our requirements in the rules.
 
Raghav you too :)
 
6:48 AM
I survived!
next week I'm gonna try to do 80km
 
7:31 AM
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!!!! :D
 
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7:49 AM
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I don't wanna study for exams
Although, pretty sure I need to do amazingly on this math one to even pass
Shouldn't have skipped half the assignments
 
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@codeMagic lol yooooooooooooooooo supppppppppppppppppppppppppp
@Ahmad woah congrats
 
Latency unacceptable, time to extinguish the fire
 
lol go study for exams
 
Like I said, I don't wanna
Recycling people is more fun
 
8:01 AM
but that doesnt make you pass tho
nobody wanna study but eventually they do
@CptEric is that a independence song?
 
o/
 
eLi
can i change my package name and keep the same app in playstore ?
 
8:17 AM
yes
@ColdFire ty ty
 
I need a bigger baking tray
Or more than one
 
@eLi actually yes* as in the package structure of the app can be different than the package name
what are you baking raghav
don't put in too much weed
 
I stick to coffee as far as drugs go
 
eLi
@Ahmad i want to change the package name and keep displaying update on the previous package users
 
yeah you can
 
8:19 AM
You can change the name within the app, but the link name on the playstore will stay the same
 
^
 
eLi
any documentation plaease
if available
 
Essentially, as long as your application ID matches your original package name, everything else can be whatever you want
Start googling on application ID, you'll find some
 
eLi
So if i change com.android.eli.hellomvp to com.android.eli.hello the user of package hellomvp will be prompted with updates?
or user of package .hellomvp will be required to reinstall
 
As long as your application ID does not change, they'll get updates
Your application ID can be different from the actual java source packages
 
eLi
8:23 AM
@RaghavSood THanks i got u
@Ahmad thanks
 
@ColdFire no, it's a 1937 song adapted to modern times
same lyrics, faster ryhtm & melody
 
oh
 
8:55 AM
any rx nerd around
 
i am a nerd
really extreme nerd
 
> Indonesia Lion Air flight crashes: The Lion Air flight lost contact 13 minutes after takeoff, according to the official
 
always sad news :/
 
indeed :(
 
Yog Guru requested access. Rep: 1414 - Questions: 23 - Answers: 24 (ratio 4:4.2)
 
9:05 AM
!accept
 
@YogGuru welcome. Please start by reading the rules and confirm you have read them before saying anything else.
 
indeed warren :(
 
> 189 people on board crashed into the sea and sank on Monday
this is a bad year
 
9:10 AM
this is a bad year for airlines
damn i want to drive on autobahn :(
 
i did. it's okay.
 
2016 was a bad year for airlines
MH17 and MH370 and that Russian one that went down in Egypt..
 
9:15 AM
can't really compare anything with either 17 or 370
 
MH17? , i know MH370
 
In that article there are crashes I barely heared of
 
well doesnt mean they didnt happened
MH17 was in 2014 btw just googled
anyway MH17 was shot down so not really comparable
 
that's what I said
 
yeah and i agree with you lol
 
9:18 AM
also there were a lot of dutchies on mh17 and we are more valuable than non-dutchies which automatically makes it worse
 
racist
 
Haha
2014? Omg time flies
 
same for 370 btw its also in 2014
 
Yeah these occured the same year
 
370 was never found right?
 
9:21 AM
So far the Russians don't seem to have much problems taking down a passenger airline once in a while
Normally it'd be quite a trigger for war to take 200+ innocent lives like that
But they seem to get away with it
In short: you can kill 150+(?) dutchies and nobody cares enough to trace nor take down the one who did it
@TimCastelijns So I can't agree on that
 
what did I say
 
"Where is the black box? Oh it's in Moscow, they first have to objectivily listen to it" lol
"You get it back opened modified, but we promise we didn't do stuff to it"
 
just joking bro
 
Haha I know
 
lol
@MwBakker well because they are russia
 
9:26 AM
Yeah you don't really want to poke a bear like that, I know
 
nobody wants a ww3
already too many wars
 
hasn't someone calculated that the combined sum of days without a war going on on the planet is by 48 years or so?
so in 1970 of the last 2018 years there was somewhere on the planet a war going on
need to find the source...
 
its already going on in the middle east right
also i saw somewhere america is in war 90% of the years since independence lol
 
andorra was still at war with germany until 2017
 
holy that is a tiny country
 
9:32 AM
they forgot to call them for the peace talks
so the war declaration document was still valid XD
 
lol
well technically north and south korea are also at war that way :D
 
and not that thecncically
 
@CptEric "war declaration" how fucking retarded does this even sound??
"Let's agree we will now legitimally bash our heads in" "yeah ok, I hate you too, I'll sign"
 
that's how they rolled in 1939 bro
don't shoot the messenger
 
True
 
9:39 AM
It's just so cringy and awkward
 
"The government of Andorra denies access to the agents of the german Wehrmatch to it's sovereign territory. Any move towards that objective will be considered a declaration of war".
 
This is cool for airliners
 
Thanks Admin
 
"to the german embassy:
The sovereign Goverment of Andorra hereby declares war on Germany, given officials of the Wehrmatch tresppassed sovereign Andorran soil to capture two of it's citiziens".
a quick TLDR of how it went
 
In the Actvity or in the ViewModel?
 
9:49 AM
@YogGuru read the rules please
4 messages moved to Trash can
access revoked
@Raghav are you awake
 
You dare doubt my presence
 
are there any guidelines for clearing the access list? Can I just remove anyone I don't know and has not been here recently?
 
10:04 AM
I think @ahmad has a script
I think he just has it remove people who haven't spoken in 30 days
 
he should run it
 
@Ahmad ^
 
there's well over 100 people who I have never even seen
 
Wake him up...
^_^
 
He better be awake, it's only 0306 in the bay area
 
10:07 AM
What do you think of people who join the group in PST time. Tim you won't be facing all the people.
 
lol
 
ROs are pretty well distributed
 
> 30 days + no_Recent_access = /kick
 
that's no problem they won't have a chance to call me out on it anyway if they are not online when I am
 
> first question about bluetooth = feel hug and /kick
 
10:09 AM
no BLE please
 
10:42 AM
morning, nerds
 
morning, germanerds
corned beef sandwitch preserved in acrylic,a copy of the first sandwitch to travel trough space.
"the infamous sandwitch".
 
morning germans
 
Is it normal to eat coffee beans?
 
Yes
 
10:57 AM
i don't know
what is normal anyway?
normality is just a social construction
 
idk
Never ate a coffee bean
 

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