« first day (10 days earlier)      last day (8 days later) » 

Rob
Rob
00:00
@johnywhy If the community were voting on the moderators while they're performing their duties - I feel like the moderators which were doing the most important job - removing content that doesn't belong - wouldn't last very long.
The elections are held yearly (sometimes bi-yearly), and the number of positions is decided by the team in order to shoulder the workload
30 minutes/day is not that large of a workload, actually. Most users who are willing to nominate themselves spend quite a bit more time than that moderating already
The moderators we are electing here are only a small part of the moderator force. Everyone becomes a moderator to some extend as they climb in reputation and gain privileges like voting to close or delete questions.

The moderators we are electing here are given much greater powers than the ones you can achieve through normal votes, they are thus supposed to be highly trusted in the community. The powers they hold are big enough to justify an election like this.

Considering the workload, I don't think it's unreasonable for a volunteer position like this. It's better to have few motivated p
4
 
3 hours later…
user3956566
03:30
@BradLarson Yep I was wondering about that, that's why I asked
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I find it overwhelming as a reviewer and will choose the other queues over it.
user3956566
@BradLarson that's a good idea. When I'm just browsing the front page on my favourite tag, there's enough problematic questions - But I still wouldn't want to ride rough shot over the community. So I could go to the tags that are known for some low Q questions
user3956566
@Shog9 yeh, I'm used to the caching and it did change while I slept - I was curious as to why the rep didn't update (now quickly) and the badges were so quick.
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yeh, that is true
user3956566
@BradLarson I love uncovering those - so you'd have dealt with quite a few flags of mine about that type of stuff
06:26
@Shog9 like onions.
 
2 hours later…
user3956566
@BaummitAugen hey eyes with no tree - I'm closing in on your with my upvotes - I told you - trees cannot run LOLOL
Hi all:)
I want to share a nice quote here:
user3956566
hi
08:18
"Regardless of who wins, an Election should be a time for Optimism and Fresh Approaches"
user3956566
Nice
09:48
@YvetteColomb Where are the environmental activists when you need them? Save the Tree(s)! =D
 
3 hours later…
12:27
Nice Quote
when we will get the winner list?
The final phase of the election starts in a few hours. The election is completely over on August 1st
ok
Thank you Andy
You're welcome
user3956566
13:01
@BaummitAugen you didn't notice - I called you the eyes with no tree :D
user3956566
@Andy I'm glad you've done so well, you'll be a great mod :D
@YvetteColomb Oh yeah, I missed that. XD
user3956566
@BaummitAugen :D yeh, I guess you really needed someone to save the trees! ;)
user3956566
I'm going to miss this chat room
I agree, it's fun. =D
Well, we have a couple more days. :)
user3956566
13:04
yep :D
13:15
Thanks @YvetteColomb
 
1 hour later…
14:19
@johnywhy The idea of voting on individual moderator actions has been brought up repeatedly on Meta.SO and Meta.SE in the past. While it sounds like a way for the community to provide feedback on problems, in reality it would highly discourage us from doing what needs to be done and would break the moderation system. Most moderator actions are only visible to the person we're acting on, not the community at large who might benefit from us stopping a spammer, troll, etc.
7
Every single question a moderator closed or deleted, or every non-answer we delete, would lead to a downvote by the person who posted it. Given that they were deleted, regular members wouldn't see them to upvote our actions. Yesterday, I dealt with a 10+ member voting ring whose members were very upset that they lost their coordinated votes. How do you think they'd vote on my actions?
user3956566
@BradLarson I agree.
As it is, moderators are subject to voting by members who are angry at our actions, although not through official channels. I've been serially downvoted nearly 20 times in the last couple of years, and other moderators have been hit much harder.
J F
J F
14:41
Plus, if someone can serially downvote your posts, they could also serially downvote your moderation actions, which could lead to you being unfairly demodded.
14:55
Serial downvotes are not a big deal in my experience. Most are caught by the reversal script and those that are not are dominated by real votes anyways.
But voting on moderation sounds like a poor idea mainly because the people who care most about some action are those immediately effected by it, which usually does not result in positive emotions. XD
user3956566
@BaummitAugen yep. I've had it happen a few times.
@YvetteColomb Me too.
user3956566
@BaummitAugen yep and with your eyes, you see everything :D
@YvetteColomb Until I get turned into a table or something, as frequently threatened in SOCVR and SOBotics. =D
(Not complaining here, all in good fun for those who don't frequent the rooms.)
user3956566
@BaummitAugen please tell me if they threaten you - I'll protect you from those tree haters ;)
user3956566
15:08
@BaummitAugen yeh I know - we have fun :D
@YvetteColomb I'm fine until the election is over at least it seems. =D chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/38373967#38373967
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 28 secs ago, by NathanOliver
@YvetteColomb please don't protect the trees. We need wood to build structures with ;)
Nvm. XD
user3956566
@BaummitAugen hm I'm facing the same thing the comment is too far back in chat to find
@BaummitAugen throws chainsaw xD
user3956566
@BaummitAugen we have a problem
user3956566
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 1 min ago, by NathanOliver
@YvetteColomb please don't protect the trees. We need wood to build structures with ;)
15:11
@YvetteColomb First. ;P
user3956566
we need to bribe @Andy to save us when he is elected shaking in boots
@Bugs Tools, my old nemesis!
@YvetteColomb Good thing I have no boots. gently shaking in the wind
user3956566
@BaummitAugen your username and avatar is my favourite on the entire network :D
@YvetteColomb Thanks a lot! =D
user3956566
@BaummitAugen it's purely selfish, I can pull your leaves off and run away and you cannot run after me :D
15:14
@YvetteColomb Hahaha it's fine, they grow back. :)
user3956566
now I feel mean - I love trees - they're the lungs of our planet
@YvetteColomb careful
2
@YvetteColomb Be wary. Baum probably knows an ent or two.
@Bugs Lol, where did you find that? =D
user3956566
@Bugs where do people find these things - and thanks for the heads up
15:16
@BaummitAugen Googled "running trees" xD
user3956566
@NathanOliver ooh yep - they're intimidating.
user3956566
user3956566
I like this election - it's brought us close together - except Cody - he doesn't do chat.
user3956566
What I want to know is what do we expect from our mods?
I'm not running for admin, I'm not good at that. XD
15:31

What is expected of moderators

Nov 20 '16 at 0:31, 14 minutes total – 3 messages, 1 user, 2 stars

Bookmarked Mar 10 at 17:32 by Bhargav Rao

2
(It came to the point were I thought Arch was the easiest thing to set up and use.)
user3956566
@BhargavRao nice
Hello
NathanOliver is here?
@NathanOliver ^^
he is arriving, just a 6-8 sec :D
:D
I upvoted for him just for C++, C, Template ;p
15:40
@Phiber maybe he is having coffee, you can always ping him like I did, when he see it, he will ping you back
Thanks Petter
@Phiber hmm not sure that's a good reason for him to become mod, but yeah expect from those template's he surely is a very nice candiate to be mod also
Other candidates experience is in : .Net or web (javascript, html ...etc)
why do you care?
he is the one in C++
15:42
Don't need experience in tags to be a mod. That's not why we vote for them.
2
meeh it does not really work like that, they are more supposed to handle special problems
Although Nathan would be a good vote IMO
like somone insulting another user, delete "Thanks answers" and stuff like that
Yes, I know it's not a good reason, but sometimes we do not control our feelings and we vote to the person who has the same field as we
15:44
@Bugs Agreed.
@Phiber Sorry was AFK. I'm here now
@NathanOliver good luck !
Thanks.
Do note that I do agree with others. Don't just vote for me because I'm a C++ guy. I can't stop you from doing that but you really should vote on who you think would do the best job.
Remember that we're voting to elect them as moderators (to handle flags) and not to answer questions. ;)
(slight rip-off from Brad's message last time around)
mods stealing from mods??? won't someone think of the children?!? ;)
15:57
Hey, I'm plagiarizing with attribution.
I agree with all. But when all the candidates are equal and all are good to be moderator, so naturally you vote for the person who have the sane field as you
this is a psychic
BTW, dear candidates, is plagiarizing with attribution valid?
Yeah as long as they are lower rep than you xD
@Phiber I totally understand. One other reason why we vote for those in our field is that we've seen them and the way they act as we follow the same tags. (happened to me when I was voting for the first time).
@BhargavRao It is, as long as that is not all you do. We want original content. If you're just copying and pasting someone else's content with attribution you're still in the wrong. If you add the content to your own words then it is acceptable.
16:01
Err, @Nathan, you asked the meta post, so you'd know. ;)
shh ;)
I asked, I learned, I use that knowledge to answer other questions. Isn't that how it is supposed to work? :)
Yup, that's how it's supposed to be.
@BhargavRao Finding the right thing to cite is pretty much what is all about. :)
@BhargavRao Quoting Nathan Oliver: "It is, as long as that is not all you do. ... If you add the content to your own words then it is acceptable."
haha
16:05
:D
So yep, plagiarizing with attribution, isn't quite accepted on Stack Overflow. A comment like:
Adding just a link at the end of your answer, is [not the proper way of providing a reference](stackoverflow.com/help/referencing). We expect you to use external sources only to reference a post which you have written in *your own words*. Please [edit] the post and rewrite the answer, or leave the reference as a comment on the post.
would explain that to the OP.
(Disclaimer, I wrote that comment)
Failure to do that results in deletion?
worse
@BaummitAugen Conceitedly enough I have a bronze badge in that :)
@NathanOliver I have 135 score but need 8 more answers for the badge. :)
 
1 hour later…
17:17
happily voted
18:01
@user1460692 in 1 h you have to do it again ;)
18:46
"Leadership is not about the next election, it's about the next generation."
@BradLarson hi Brad, yes, i get that the community at large cannot see the actions. That's my point-- it's exactly about those affected voting on the moderator, instead of the general community.
Hi I just want to share some quotes about the election:)
@BradLarson Yes, i understand disgruntled people will vote down the moderator. That's why i suggested passing those downvotes to a different moderator, who can overturn those downvotes if they're not valid, or uphold them if the moderator acted incorrectly. The way you describe it, there is currently no appeals or oversight of moderator actions.
"This election could come down to just a handful of votes. It could come down to just one vote."
"Be Aware, Do Your Share. Vote! "
"Every Election is determined by the people who show up. "
"Be Bright, Vote for what is Right"
“We would all like to vote for the best man but he is never a candidate.”
“Voting is a right best exercised by people who have taken time to learn about the issues. "
“Votes should be weighed not counted.”
“Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote.”
“Thinking isn’t agreeing or disagreeing. That’s voting.”
"The only thing we learn from new elections is we learned nothing from the old."
"When we vote we participate in the construction of a context..."
Hope you all like these quotes:)
19:07
@johnywhy So on top of all the flags we have to handle, we'd need to review potentially thousands of votes a day on every other moderator? No thanks.
Because every single person who has a question closed, post deleted, sock puppet deleted, voting ring removed, insult deleted, and on and on will downvote the moderator responsible. All that will do is discourage moderators from actually moderating.
In the last day, moderators have closed or deleted over 350 posts, and there's no way we could possibly have the time to review a downvote someone cast about each one of those actions.
@BhargavRao I'm confused. "Plagiarism with attribution" is an oxymoron. If it's not clear that the link is attribution for the post, e.g. just slapping on "more info" at the end of an answer with no attempt to associate it with the copied content, that's plagiarism
And attribution has not been provided
If you're talking about answers that consist only of copied content that is properly attributed, that's not plagiarism. That's just answers that consist only of copied content
An altogether different beast from un/misattributed content or outright stolen content
So "is plagiarizing with attribution valid?" No, I guess, but only because it's an oxymoron.
cc @NathanOliver
19:23
@BoltClock Yeah. I guess he should have asked if copying with attribution is OK.
45
A: Answers entirely copied though properly attributed

BoltClockBefore I start, there is a help article dedicated to the overarching issue of referencing content from external sources. The guidelines therein apply to pretty much any situation involving referencing external content. Now, there are two major issues at play here. Attribution The first major i...

60
A: Hiding attribution of quoted material

BoltClockThis help article says: When you find a useful resource that can help answer a question (from another site or in an answer on Stack Overflow) make sure you do all of the following: Provide a link to the original page or answer Quote only the relevant portion Provide the name of th...

> Some users have been known to use vague labels such as "Source" and "Reference" to hide either misleading source links (links that don't actually contain the text being quoted), or worse, spam (though the latter is much rarer IME). Watch out for these.
^ why "source", "reference", "more info", etc are dangerous
Of course, that's not to say someone couldn't slap on a different title, but I've never actually seen that happen except with links that have since died
And that's unintentional
19:44
@johnywhy The problem is votes have nothing to do with moderator actions. If you disagree with an action a mod takes, voting on their content is not useful in any way
15 minutes to go..
And if one mod found another was acting inappropriately, allowing a few downvotes to remain on their answers would hardly be the correct response. That kind of behavior needs to be escalated, not simply "punished" with a few downvotes.
Moderators, at least on SO, are absolutely not afraid to go talk to their peers about things they see as mistakes. You learn that pretty fast.
Except @Undo. He growls at people...that's somewhat scary.
grrrrrr WOOF WOOF grr WOOF
4
19:47
Bad dog. No biscuit. Don't bark at the newbies.
bites @Makoto
Fine, bite the non-newbies if you must. ;)
@undo I've never actually asked, but... is that your dog?
Used to be. Lost her to epilepsy a few years ago
19:48
Aww.
Aww
Replacement dog is pure black. Not good profile picture material
great dog, though. Both of them
Yeah, always thought I was a cat person... until I had a dog :p
which is why I try not to let myself have a dog ;)
I don't mind cats but I'm not going to replace any of mine when they go. My dogs are much better behaved and don't think hairballs in the middle of the hallway at night are fun
19:52
I don't think I can vote for a non-cat moderator person.
Sorry.
At least you have a metric and you're sticking to it :)
5 more minutes until the long wait begins. =D
2
1 (quick @Baum you still have time to flag some NAA)
30 seconds
19:59
fpf9e8fty823qdn231j2l !!!!1111 oneoene
@PetterFriberg Made it!!
in SOBotics, 16 secs ago, by Housekeeping
There are 0 unhandled reports, 0 of which are on your ignore list.
crap, the float bottom of the choices is broken on me chrome (I only see the first choice when scrolling down, whereas the second is visible when displayed at the top)
Ha, got the notification to go and vote after I already did :)
winter has come!
20:04
for house Overflow
I wonder if there are some easter eggs reserved for would-be-moderators that vote or not for themselves as first choice
Hi All... what a rainy day
Shiny silver badge hooray! =D
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Voted for myself as first choice in election 6 (I'm a selfish jerk) can confirm there are no easter eggs.
thanks for the clarification :)
(same thing Felix saw: ) on the election page, the floating element tracking my choices (as i scroll down) disappears when i'm on a wide screen (1920x1080) and is halfway off the screen on a long screen (1024x1280). not a big deal, but it's not very useful
20:08
I was going to ask why the floating element isn't there this year
Primary monitor intake shut off
Yeah, it's appearing off the end of the window for me
gj folks, that third choice really is hard
@meagar You don't see it below the election hints sidebar element?
@FélixGagnon-Grenier It's for this reason that we need the choice of "Batman".
20:14
\o/
I fear however, that some times that batman would actually be elected ;)
@TravisJ I do, until I scroll down far enough for it to become position:fixed
Then it snaps down off the end of the page
> "Always be yourself, unless you can be Batman. Then, always be Batman."
3
@meagar Hm, mine never scrolls far enough to become position:fixed, even if I scroll 100% down.
such brokerage
@meagar yep, same for me...
20:16
For reasons unknown it has bottom: -684px, well off the bottom of the viewport
beertime minus 45 minutes. the struggle is real.
(Computed, not explicit)
If I zoom waaaaay far out, it shows up
I'll file a bug report: "Expected: The page should be working. Actual: The page isn't working. Steps to reproduce: Open the page"
6
20:18
I wish all my clients were exactly like that
bonus point for posting that on a friday afternoon at 10 to five, with a URGENT flag
@meagar I was able to reproduce this. Mine ends up being 1158 pixels off.
we know some moderators better than others
Undo, Martijn, Bhargav, and BoltClock are more well known, for example
that is very subjective, would you not think? what about people in other timezones?
hmm, that's very true
I can track the most active NAA/VLQ flag handlers with my flag history. :P
(Yes, I realize that's just a part of the mods' activity and different mods focus on on different things.)
20:27
it'd be cool if someone got actuarial data for SO elections to see how primary score mapped to probability of winning
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ To be fair I want to become less well known meta.stackexchange.com/questions/283725/…
oh dear, I'm well known?
the hubristic part of me wants to say "I read that before"
gotta be more stealthy
20:29
I believe the stealthy dog ninja moderator position is already occupied tho
and he's not on the list. It must be working.
i.sstatic.net/lKwwd.jpg begs the question "What could you have done wrong, Tim Post?"
He lost his keys again and went on a downvoting spree
He was where the wheel of blame landed.
2
20:33
retired reddit admins get an admin emeritus badge, retired SE mods don't get the same... though this is he wrong place for this comment anyways, meta.se is the place to go for that kind of stuff
You get a Sheriff Gold Badge if you manage to make it a year at least.
oh, huh
though I'd bet the likes of Bill would appreciate a symbol next to their names
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ an unscrupulous developper console user will make a great many interesting images :)
huh?
:think: Who will succeed Jon Skeet when he dies?
... tempted to do something warranting of a moderator message, to be able to screenshot the hell out of impossible messages sent and received to various interesting people
20:36
Bill♣️ ?
... that's a club, in case it renders completely illegibly for anybody else.
@noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ Jon Skeet can't die, he is reborn in the matrix.
@meagar I see a card symbol
@FélixGagnon-Grenier nah, he just creates a new world and inserts himself into it
It looks like a beach with a cocktail to me.
Why would you add an inkblot test to the end of a user name @meager? :P
god controls our world, jon skeet controls the world outside the machine that simulates our world
Looks like spades unless I get really close to my monitor.
Since I got multiple notifications to vote for moderators, I went ahead and voted for the first three listed to stop the notifications. That is all.
you know that, if you have multiple SO windows opened, the notification shows in every one of them, but it's still the same notification?
Kind of by design really. If you have a single user with 4 open sockets, which socket do you send a notification to?
Maybe they referred to notifications announcing different phases of the election
@VivekChavda The ordering is random, so your votes were random
20:43
ah please, let me be a bit snarky from time to time ;)
geez, these candidates, always eager to prove their even mindness
:D
Was 50-50 on sarcasm, why didn't you use sarcasm font? :P
You meaN THat one?
... hell, that's a handful to write
7h47 0n3 w0rk5 700!
Anyway, I was hoping you had some ingenious way to send a notification to only the first active tab or invalidate the others or something.
I'm sure jQuery has a plugin for that
or notifications.output() > /dev/null
ftfy
They should really add it in. What SO needs is more jQuery.
20:52
yeah, only one version is for the feint of heart
under three concurrent versions for different plugins, it's not even called frontend dev
21:30
@meagar Thank you for clarifying, changed to top alphabetical
J F
J F
@johnywhy If you have a problem with a moderator, you can either flag one of your own posts and describe your problem, or use the “contact us” link in the footer to contact the employees directly if you feel that the site mods won’t respond fairly to your issue.
If the employees have lost it, you’ve got bigger problems than unfair moderation decisions.
21:45
Just a thought, but Floern or someone might want to edit that candidate intro, because this is a pretty unhelpful helpful hint:
"Hi, I'm Floern. (with an 'rn', in case your screen tries to convince you otherwise)"
I'd suggest something more like "with an 'r' and an 'n', in case..."
@Floern ^
Dunno if they have space though, the limit is fairly tight.
Not enough chars left. But I wrote it like that intentionally :)
22:32
Intentionally writing confusing things? Is that what we want from a moderator?
It's just a joke.
22:53
Do the user actions pages show their own votes to close something, or their reviews of other users' votes to close?
The user actions pages show actions performed by the user you are looking at.
So if you go to my review page and see Close, that means I cast a closevote in the closevote review queue.
got it, thanks!
@guest You can't see or review other people's votes. OTOH the "all actions" tab may show decisions the user made in review queues
You're welcome.
23:29
Does this election result in the selection of a single moderator from the candidates?
The top 2 are elected.

« first day (10 days earlier)      last day (8 days later) »