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12:30 AM
@YvetteColomb Not really. There's usually a few of us reading through comments anyway, and there aren't that many. With the green light to remove useless stuff, it should work out fine without defined regular patrols.
 
user3956566
@Undo I didn't realise mods could delete comments and I misunderstood and thought mods weren't allowed to do anything with the nominations - so I got very confused with your post - I thought we were into some ground breaking area :D
 
user3956566
3:44 AM
@AaronHall are you around?
 
5:48 AM
Hello all, may I know the link for voting
 
@RahulMeshram Voting hasn't started yet. Someone already linked to a MSE post under your meta question which explains when and how you can vote: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/352427/…
 
6:35 AM
?
 
 
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7:43 AM
A person randomly editing his answer and the question to poke it into front page. What will you do?
 
I'm abstaining from this election, because as always, the process is skewed and favors the most activist mods, when a more led back approach would be preferable IMO.
 
@static_rtti how is the process skewed?
 
8:36 AM
Candidates,
53 mins ago, by Sagar V
A person randomly editing his answer and the question to poke it into front page. What will you do?
 
user3956566
@SagarV well it would depend on the edits and how often
 
what if it is 3 consecutive days
 
user3956566
@static_rtti what do you mean the most activist mods?
 
user3956566
@SagarV I don't see that as a problem, they may be polishing their post, it's not like they are regularly doing it to multiple posts, excessively over time
 
user3956566
btw I appreciate you asking questions and taking interest :)
 
9:19 AM
@static_rtti sounds perfect! and then when just let community users flags age away!
 
They don't age away, @petter, they just accumulate and the queue grows. (Only the red flags and close vote flags age away)
 
@BhargavRao Yeah I know, that was a feature request, so mods can be more "led back"
 
user3956566
10:20 AM
I am not sure what is meant by "activist mods"
 
Maybe the global warming issue BR had in his profile
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J F
11:23 AM
Maybe they want to get rid of all moderation. Wouldn’t SO be so much better without downvotes, flags, closing, and deleting?
/s
 
@JF /s means "sarcastic"?
 
Yes
 
ok ok
 
user3956566
I'm actually curious as to what the user's perception is here
 
Me too
 
12:19 PM
Me three
 
Four me
 
How many candidate are going to select in this election ?
 
evif eM
 
that's great last time they selected only one
 
Does anyone want to ask me anything, since we're in the Election chat room and I seem to be the only candidate here?
* at the moment
 
12:36 PM
Pssh
 
Can I undelete a removed chat post?
 
@krlzlx No, I don't think you can
 
@Bharat Last time they elected 3 not just 1: stackoverflow.com/election/8
 
ok
 
@JohnnyBones Would you decide to run again if you don't make it this time round? It would seem quite a few people like to bring up your history which is always going to be the case. Not that I agree with a lot of it and some of the comments thrown at you I do feel are little somewhat harsh. Furthermore rep plays a big part in this whether we like it or not (I don't) but do you think this will hold you back?
 
12:45 PM
@Bugs - I'm one of those people who will offer my services whenever needed. I don't think I'd walk away from that opportunity to be part of this website. I spend a good chunk of my day here anyway, and will do so whether or not I'm elected. I may need to learn a language like Javascript where people vote a lot more so I can improve my rep. I'm doing pretty well on Movies & TV, but that's because when I'm not writing code, I'm watching movies.
 
Anyone knows why there is such a huge jump in the number of people who voted in the election from 2013 and 2014: stackoverflow.com/election/0 ? From 6 to 21 thousand is a big jump. Did they changed anything at that time?
 
@JohnnyBones thanks for the response. Votes can be hard to come by and unfortunately it's what drives a lot of people. I'm not one to care much about rep so don't take that into much consideration. It's good to see that you haven't been swayed to bow out due to the meta votes/comments. Best of luck.
 
@Bugs - A lot of the questions asked in this year's questionnaire were about handling adversity. I think I've shown I can handle it. ;o) Thanks for the question!
 
1:09 PM
@Rizier123 Election participation had been declining for several years. The 2014 one returned to previously seen levels
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A: Only 10% voted this time, How to increase total number of votes/ voters in next election?

AndyI whipped out a small chart of previous election turn outs. The chart below shows the percentage of voters in relation to Total Eligible (bottom layer) Number of users that visited the site (this information isn't available for the January 2011 election) Number of users that visited the electio...

 
user3956566
1:42 PM
@JohnnyBones yes, that's true
 
1:56 PM
there is a stupid question meanwhile, where can I vote?
 
@Juggernaut You can't just yet. Voting begins on July 24th, 20:00 UTC
 
oh tnx
 
If you haven't already, have a look at stackoverflow.com/election/9. This is where you would vote when it opens.
 
that's where I come from. tnx anyway :)
 
@Juggernaut for now you can read the questionnaire and vote there if you want to, although those votes don't mean much
 
 
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6:03 PM
I think it might be a good idea to prevent users from casting delete vote on other candidates by disabling the delete option on answers (Or define some clear rules and guidelines about this). It almost happened today apparently
 
Oh wow. Looking at the timline I'm not seeing a candidate involved with this (unless I'm missing something). I would hope that this is not needed as all the mod candidates should now that is not what you should do.
 
@NathanOliver The candidate, as a candidate, was more than ok in handing this IMO
He didn't try to trigger people
 
@flo back to 3rd on the questionnaire
 
@AlonEitan - It is what it is.
 
@JohnnyBones I don't think it's OK. It's unfair
 
6:19 PM
Casting delete votes on moderator questionnaire answers is absolutely ridiculous. Come on, people.
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I'm not saying I agree with it, but I wasn't going to ruffle feathers over it. As it should be, Meta will square it up and the Mods will do the right thing.
 
I can't agree more its not only ridiculous its offenisve with make's it close to abusive
 
@JohnnyBones Well, it was one vote away and if it wasn't for that user, voicing their opinion, than it might gone unnoticed until it's too late (I know mod can immediately undelete, but still...)
 
I'm sorry but I commented about how disrespectful this was and I think it's a disgrace two went through with it regardless.
 
If it had been deleted, I definitely would have asked questions. But Meta did what Meta was designed to do.
@Bugs - I do appreciate your support!
@BradLarson - I had no idea it was other candidates doing that.
 
6:27 PM
Well, I guess we can use that as an example of why rep != moderator ability.
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@JohnnyBones I salute you for taking this lightly, but I think some clarification is required about this scenario
 
@AlonEitan Wait, what candidates voted to delete? All I can see is Rotwang and Ehsan Sajjad voted to delete and I do not see them as candidates.
 
@AlonEitan - TOTALLY agree that clarification should be carved out for future elections.
 
@JohnnyBones Near as I can tell, neither of the delete votes (excluding bluefeet's vote that was used to clear this) were from nominees.
 
@BradLarson - OK, thanks for clearing that up. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
6:35 PM
@NathanOliver I was talking about users, not candidates. I don't think that it matters. It shouldn't happen in the first place
 
It shouldn't and it makes me sad to see people we call "trusted users" committing such an abuse.
I don't know if SO has the dev time to devote to this when we can catch and fix this quickly ourselves.
 
7:17 PM
I just posted a Meta question on the above discussion at meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/352587/…
 
7:32 PM
I didn't, and wouldn't, vote to delete an answer like that. Just because an answer is negatively voted does not warrant its deletion. The answer was clearly an answer to the question, and Johnny's nomination is fully legitimate. It is a shame something like that happened.
 
Yep, agree with that.
 
8:30 PM
Since comment have been correctly cleared on Johnny's answer, I have flagged Bluefeet's last comment as no longer need, it's currently out of context and will probably only confuse future users that visit the post.
 
This one? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/352386/… ? I don't think that is no longer needed.
 
I intentionally left it as a warning to future users.
 
You would be surprised how many users see a "delete" button and just click on it thinking that since its available, it should be used.
Also, there is kind of a cyclic behavior of deleting and undeleting low hanging fruit on meta. This is why the threshold was lowered to -8 for graying out the post, even if it was kind of bandaid, for the most part it served its purpose.
 
@Shog9 not sure it is need, I see it reflecting in a negative and confusing way on the nomination, let'em try again, we are all watching.
if you like to discus the abusive way of delete voting legit answer of mods candiate I think a meta is better
 
It has already been discussed there, in the more general form of deleting posts on meta which were parts of discussions (as in, mostly opinions or suggestions), with the consensus of "no, don't do that", and an action of lowering the threshold (as noted above).
 
8:38 PM
Lots of things get deleted on Meta...this is very true
But I think this is the first time I've ever seen it on a nominee's post
 
Also, while we may all be watching, not everyone seeing a delete vote can doing anything about it. Only some of us can cast an undelete vote for example, and one rogue delete vote could linger for some time - especially without bluefeet's wary eye of a comment there.
 
@TravisJ: This is why I suggested flags to begin with. While yes, some of us could just vote to undelete, this is beyond exceptional and something I'd prefer a mod deal with anyway.
 
That is fair @Makoto. My main point was that just watching it happen leaves us rather powerless. Flags are certainly warranted here, as this is an exceptional case.
 
you might be surprised at how effective a moderation tool just telling folks "don't do that" can be
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One would hope users would just behave... but if that were the case we wouldn't even need these elections in the first place.
 
8:41 PM
"Assume a perfect user."
 
granted, when it's a moderator saying it, there's perhaps a small implied threat
 
hah
♦: Go on and cast a delete vote on this post. But before you do, just ask yourself one question: Do you feel lucky? Well, do you, punk!?
 
How much effort would it take to put that as the hover text for nomination posts @Shog9? That'd be amazing.
 
tons
 
I see there is already a meta about it meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/352587/….
 
8:43 PM
Damn. Okay.
 
9:02 PM
@TravisJ should be cast a delete vote and I'll delete your account :D
 
Well, that seems a little harsh. I am not sure how granular restrictions are, and to be fair deleting a post is available to said user as a tool in this scenario... Implying that an account may face penalty though, that seems to be in the same realm of response.
 
Well of course I was only showing a little humour :)
 
delete all teh things! :P
 
Interesting I can re-flag the comment, after Shog9 decline it, I did not know about this feature.
 
(clearly kidding, I have only deleted several hundred things so far with my available tools, all of which merited deletion)
 
9:07 PM
not sure it's a good feature, it would be better that I could not flag it anymore
 
@TravisJ of course :)
 
@PetterFriberg - You mean remove the ability to flag something if your flag has already been declined?
 
@PetterFriberg keep flagging until it's implemented
 
@JohnnyBones Yeah was I was trying to clear your answer from the according to me abusive behavior on your post, however without success, I was just checking if I could flag it again (you can't flag when you already flag, but you can even if decline).
@Bugs I think I will get away with that 2-3 times, then I guess I will not be able to flag anything anymore ;)
 
@PetterFriberg - I'm pretty sure the response would be, "But what if the OP changes his post and fills it full of obscenities?" If you remove the ability to re-flag, you could miss that.
I think you get a smack on the wrist if you flag too many things that get dismissed. I'd have to look into that.
 
9:13 PM
@JohnnyBones meeh it's a comment flag after a few minutes you can not edit.
 
Ah. True.
 
The system actually is open for abuse, you could flag multiple times hoping that a different moderator see your flag an approve (also hoping that they do not see your flagging multiple times, not sure if that info is available or not for mods)
 
There is a scale between 20 flags per day and 100. Not sure if that can get diminished from the amount of declined flags though, I think it is just based on reputation.
 
@TravisJ it's based on helpful flag count, not reputation
 
@PetterFriberg Both helpful flags and reputation. And it starts at 10, not 20: "How many flags do I have?" (Right at the bottom)
 
9:17 PM
> You start with 10 flags per day.

> Based on your reputation and flagging history, you can end up with as many as 100 per day.

> Currently, that means you get an extra flag per day for every 2000 reputation points or 10 net helpful flags (helpful-declined).
 
Your are correct, also reputation, but the main flags you get from flagging stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/flag-posts
 
@TravisJ "recent" from 2013
 
It was implemented 6-8 years ago
 
However you can raise more then 100 flags :D, since there is a difference between comments and post flags...
 
@PetterFriberg Depends if you are doing much moderation and flag spam, NAA, ... or if you are just answering.
 
9:21 PM
also true, but if you don't' flag you hardly care about the number.
@Rizier123 You would do well as a mod, are you still writtng your nomination?
 
All I do is flag now, I don't even bother to answer xD
 
@PetterFriberg I'm not writing a nomination. I don't think I would be a good mod and we already have very good candidates.
 
@Bugs You still need some rep, but yeah I have fun flagging to.
 
Aye, I'll spend some time answering at some point. I usually go through bursts
 
9:42 PM
@Bugs Do what you have fun doing
 
10:31 PM
How much reputation do you have to have to vote for moderator?
 
@Joshua: That's on the election page. It's 150.
 
@zondo Ok. Thanks!
 

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