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00:56
Dang it @Zoe! He is mimicking human behavior so that we will be less resistant to him when he takes over the world stop crushing his dreams!!
 
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06:51
Hello there guys!
I just noticed that these day questions tagged with python are two times more than java questions. Does it mean java is going to vanish in subsequent years?
My second language is Java(After my mother tongue!) and I fear it will lose its place.
 
2 hours later…
Zoe
Zoe
08:34
@Omid.N The amount of questions on Stack Overflow means exactly nothing for the future of a language
Zoe
Zoe
08:45
Secondly, python has 1.4M, and Java has 1.6M:
There's 3.5M posts on Python, including answers, and 4.4M posts on Java with answers.
09:06
@Zoe yes but look at the number of questions asked today and this week. 707 against 1549. So this is a sign that python is growing rapidly. So I ask you, do you consider learning python programming? Of course, learning two programming language is not hard at all. I just mean to start to learn.
Zoe
Zoe
No, it isn't. It's juts a sign that they're getting more questions. Question count means exactly nothing for the popularity of a language. Mods on Java might be more active than those on Python, and ends up removing so much it appears Python is gaining more questions. People being scared off tags is also a factor. Questions per week isn't accurate enough to have any statistical value
@Zoe got it! thanks.
10:08
maybe Python is just trash and everyone needs to ask questions, and maybe Java is just really good and everyone just gets it
I would say "probably not", but the point remains that the statistics of how many questions are asked on SO is rather meaningless towards how popular a particular language is
it would be a better idea to look at job positions, if there are 0 for Java, chances are you are not going to get a Java job anytime soon...
and ofcourse this is regional
depending on where you are, some languages are more popular than others
10:34
Python sucks, thanks for coming to my TED talk
@Zoe Thanks ^^
 
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12:08
I vaguely recall Python being near the top of various programming language popularity polls I've come across.
 
1 hour later…
Zoe
Zoe
13:12
@geisterfurz007 Python is great
for scripting
(split those up so you see the notifications and prepare a ted talk :P)
For actual desktop programs, especially ones meant to be distributed, it's not remotely good
13:26
doooggooo
Zoe
Zoe
hansuuuuuuuuu
14:19
/8ball dogs ?
@Hans1984 You may rely on it
/8ball cats ?
@Hans1984 Outlook good
yay ayyy
14:22
sup Michael
Zoe
Zoe
@Michael There's also desktop GUI libraries for JavaScript
Hey Hans
Zoe
Zoe
Just because they exist, doesn't mean it's a good idea. I also wouldn't push electron onto anyone else. Electron is garbage (JS tho, but still)
Some things aren't meant to be deployed.
@Zoe What makes you say that?
Zoe
Zoe
@Michael Electron is slow, uses 300 MB RAM out of the box, and to run any kid of modern desktop app written in Electron, the minimum requirement is 32 GB RAM for it to just work
14:25
@Zoe 32GB of RAM? Really? xD
Zoe
Zoe
Not officially, but it's so fucking heavy on memory, it might as well be
Electron spins up a Chromium process
you know, the thing that eats memory like humans eat snacks at a party xd
Also, it tends to break at times
Perfect example: Discord on Linux.
They have a bug that prevents voice chats, video chats, and screensharing from working. Over time, it slows down, and dies. According to Reddit, this is because Electron packages some garbage JS
The second an upstream library prevents the language from working, that's when you got a problem xd
JS at least bundles dependencies and has native executable support. Python has a separate package for converting stuff to an executable
If it isn't, and it's run in a script format, it doesn't always install its dependencies
Also, real fun stuff happens when the system has the dependency, but the script relies on an outdated version that's so old the entire thing just collapses.
or when some genius decided it was a good idea to add #!/bin/python or whatever at the start of the file, which then sub-sequentially fucks up the entire script, because your distro doesn't come with python2 at /bin/python
that's actually going to be a legitimate problem with Ubuntu-based distros. Mint is dropping Python2 in 20.1, which means any Python 2 scripts relying on /bin/python to be python 2 will break.
Python2/3 is especially annoying, because in spite of Python 2 having been deprecated and they warned it would be removed, a lot of actually useful software is written in Python 2. There's still people writing Python 2 scripts, even though support officially died (thank fuck) at the start of 2020
14:57
o.o Dang.
Zoe
Zoe
Exactly
Python isn't fit for certain types of deployment purely because of how it works. That being said, it still has its uses
I use Conan and SCons for C++ - both of them are python tools (package manager and build system, respectively), but I can't install SCons globally because of weird-ass Python behavior. I'm forced to use a virtualenv instead. In a dev context, that's perfectly acceptable, in my opinion. If you need a virtualenv for a consumer-grade program to work, though? Nej.
 
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16:00
anybody have any idea how I can get this old program running eg with appletviewer? superuser.com/questions/1553071/…
I have some java experience from years ago
user10141648
16:11
Can someone please help me out with a Java Swing problem?
https://gist.github.com/Merdin/d20a824ac124e0b0afaad50ff033687e

I'm trying to make a application with different frames. Where the MenuBar needs to change everytime I access a different frame. How can I make that possible? The application runs but it doesn't showup the JMenuBar
17:00
ah they are there
 
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18:47
@Zoe Dang it Zoe! Stop not installing SCons globally!
Zoe
Zoe
I wanna install it globally
I did at one point
However, it caused a bug because /bin/python points to python 2 xd
as a result, it produced some weird-ass errors there's effectively only two ways to fix: make /bin/python python3, or use virtualenv
I made /bub/python python3 for a long time, but that had very negative effects on the system in the long run. Would not recommend xd
19:04
Guys quick question . What happens if I do not invalidate session ? Can it eat my memory or any other issue
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22:04
@Zoe Why can't the Python 3 binary also support scripts written in Python 2?
22:22
@Zoe Also, "bub"?
Zoe
Zoe
bin* xd
@Michael there's a few breaking changes from python 2 to 3
Notably, print "text" is disallowed. Print is a function, so it has to be print("text")
Python doesn't do a lot of backwards compatibility
Hmm
That's one thing Java is very good at! (backwards compatibility)

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