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"I think it is often easier to make progress on mega-ambitious dreams. Since no one else is crazy enough to do it, you have little competition. In fact, there are so few people this crazy that I feel like I know them all by first name." -Larry Page (source)
 
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06:20
mron
06:46
Who are you calling moron? ;P
myself ._.
any Android developers there? I need help
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ok Thank u Mr bot :)
Zoe
Zoe
Morning
06:55
Hey Zoe
Zoe
Zoe
Hiya geis
\o
07:08
Hello
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@HelloWorldPeace World
@Neil Marco?
@HelloWorldPeace Polo?
What are you folks talking about in here
Java is Dead
... to me
07:10
It's very much alive in my company :)
we talk about kotlin a lot for a java room I think ಠ_ಠ @Zoe
yummy food and cats... sounds like what Java folks would talk about
We also talk about anything else but java a lot for a java room I think ಠ_ಠ @geisterfurz007
ಠ_ಠ @Neil
Zoe
Zoe
Lol
@Neil purely technially, one could say that this is a room for Java in all its forms, even those that compile to it's bytecode :>
07:14
except Android.. people who use Android can just screw off
Zoe
Zoe
Android uses dalvik bytecode, not java bytecode.
grrrrrrr....
ANDROID
later Javarians
Zoe
Zoe
Android still beats Apple
in dev and use
08:02
morn
train wifi: works
that it is
That's new
Good morning
@wonderb0lt congrats
yes. I might actually be able to work the next 3 hours
pff, you'd use the time to work?
08:06
hardly if ever :P
working hard or hardly working :P
Zoe
Zoe
Morning @won
08:23
hello
sup?
hey @efox @geis
@eFox finding out whether I can get my node.js server to run with self-signed certs and after that I will take a look into react native
@geisterfurz007 I think you can.. but self-signed certs aren't trusted
Zoe
Zoe
08:29
@geisterfurz007 Ew, react native
I just wanted to see how to create those files and see if it works at all. I know they aren't trusted (we had a massive issue in the company because or CA certificate is self signed (or something like that) and basically all websites were untrusted including google) and it was more of a proof of concept thingy :D
ah
@Zoe I absolutely hated swift and xcode. If there is any chance I can write the app in a language and IDE I am more comfortable with, I will happily take it.
Alright let's start up the ol' PowerShell and start hacking out some nice Azure deployments shudder
What has my life come to
Become a train driver :)
No power shell then. Only POWAAAAAH
08:33
hi all
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G'day o/
Zoe
Zoe
@geisterfurz007 codenameone.com
@geisterfurz007 Maybe I can play a little music then too youtu.be/aRf30pVGMp4?t=12
@Zoe Oh look at this!
@wonderb0lt This is so cool :D
08:36
> Codenameone.com wants to show notifactions...

nope
@Zoe <insert image of cactus here>
Now I guess I will have to take a look at that first :) Thanks for the hint @Zoe
Zoe
Zoe
@geisterfurz007 Np ^^
@geisterfurz007 You go hug a cactus farm! :P
I don't know whether I will get a 1 Mb build done tho
Because if not that costs 19$ a month
while react is free
08:40
Imagine you used to be pretty well versed in Java 6 six years ago (2011-2012) at a beginner level (postgraduate studies + Head First Java book, no commercial xp) and you're applying now for an entry level job (it's really entry level, it's even called "Java Academy", it's really an intense, paid bootcamp for promising people that want to start a career as a java dev) where you're gonna have to do a test to even get a chance at an interview.
Zoe
Zoe
oh, just saw that
During those 6 years you haven't worked as a software developer, but you learned Python at beginner level (and even wrote a script you used in your non-dev job), now you feel you're pretty well versed in Python at a beginner level (stll no real xp) and also you dabbed at fullstack webdev (ca. 80% of the best Udemy course a couple of months ago). You have 3 days to get up to speed with Java 9 for the test - how would you tackle it? :)
Zoe
Zoe
I'd plan better to not have 3 days to learn what happened in 3 versions of Java
have to agree that's pretty reasonable answer :)
Zoe
Zoe
08:42
I thought it meant the jar for the framework was a mb xD
I still haven't really looked into Java 9 tbh...
well research is gonna inevitably eat away from these precious 3 days, hence this kamikaze stunt here :)
@o'rety The image with research was directed at Zoe ;)
sneezes
I thought, well maybe by some crazy chance I'd happen to bump into somebody who got from Java 6 to Java 9 real quick and he/she would have some invaluable insights. Also @ geisterfurz007: :D
08:47
@geisterfurz007 Interesting :)
Zoe
Zoe
If you wanna get caught up on java, and you have three days, take a version a day. Code something simple in the language levels where you use what changed between the versions. Or just go straight for java 9. @o'rety
Yeah. The big changes will present themselves on cursory searches on each version, i.e. API changes on 1.7, Lambdas+java.time in 1.8, what ever the fuck changes in 1.9
Zoe
Zoe
^
@Zoe, @wonderb0lt: thx, seems legit
The changes in 1.7 weren't too substantial, so you'll be able to refamiliarize yourself with the Java syntax and tooling that day too :)
maybe
08:51
Streams!
Beams!
Zoe
Zoe
Screams!
@o'rety you're going to have the hardest time learning java 8 imho
Zoe
Zoe
Java 8 isn't that hard to learn
streams introduced some new concepts
it's the most substantial change from java 6 to java 9
Zoe
Zoe
08:56
~ Anything streams can do, Kotlin does it better... @geisterfurz007
well certainly nothing new for any language
but new to java for sure
@Zoe *Scala
Zoe
Zoe
No, Kotlin beats Scala
@Zoe well paper beats rock, so
@Zoe Mind backing that statement up with facts? :P
Zoe
Zoe
09:02
scala takes 4 seconds to execute the same code that takes java 0.18 seconds and Kotlin 0.14
a) that seems a bit of an exaggeration and b) if performance were really that important, would anyone use java?
What a wonderful teenage crush you have on Kotlin XD
Zoe
Zoe
@eFox xD
Is that with start-up time included?
Zoe
Zoe
@Neil It isn't an exaggeration, actually
@wonderb0lt yes
09:03
pffft
Zoe
Zoe
I think
who cares. the stuff I use Scala for runs longer than a few seconds
Zoe
Zoe
And here is the proof. Look up Scala and Java, I wrote the same solution in both languages. Kotlin was run locally, but it doesn't take nearly as much time as Scala
javascript is also slower and people still use it
Zoe
Zoe
@Wietlol because the alternative is... PHP shivers
09:05
ew
Zoe
Zoe
with the JVM languages, there are a bunch of other alternatives
And none of them run as slow as Scala
shrug
As I said, start-up time is not that important to my use cases
Zoe
Zoe
I actually don't think it includes startup tbh, just the execution itself. Not really familiar with the site itself though
If it just took a file and executed it, I don't know how it couldn't also count in the startup
That's why non-trivial/non-anecdotal benchmarks test a specific part of code only, not the way that led there, and let you control cache warming and such.
> Your access was denied. Please mail me if you don't know the name of your favorite sport.
lol @Zoe great site
Zoe
Zoe
09:24
yeah, it sucks
blame Uni
and it's golf
blames Uni
Zoe
Zoe
\o
I've tried golf
Zoe
Zoe
09:29
and it says "Challenge failed"
It's a horribly designed website
would be neat to make a website made purposefully badly
like it would have a username and password field and when you submitted them, it would say, "please tell us if the password entered was correct yes/no"
Zoe
Zoe
lol
if you press no, it says "login failed. refresh the page to return to main site"
Zoe
Zoe
if you press yes, it asks you to re-type your password
and loops back to "please tell us if the password entered was correct yes/no" xD
09:34
Also an alert with: "Thanks for providing us with your login credentials; you will now be redirected to the actual login, lol"
"If you've forgotten your password, enter in your e-mail and we'll send your password to that e-mail address"
ah, a human driven program
And when they try to change their password: "This feature is not available yet. We can only tell you not to put your password in anywhere and confirm it is the real one"
I'd do that
only programmers would get it I think
but it'd be worth doing for lolz
09:35
true
and true
@Neil Sadly enough the program I used to prepare myself for my flight theory exam sends you the password to your mail. Even if you change it online you get a copy
@geisterfurz007 oh dear
Zoe
Zoe
@Neil "if you've forgotten your email, enter your password and we'll show you your email"
presumably it checks that the e-mail is the one on record :P
Zoe
Zoe
lol
09:36
this one would just send an e-mail to the address
and just for laughs, the password it gives you would be something like: *******
Why would it be hunter2?
Zoe
Zoe
^
That's what I said.. *******
yeah but why?
Zoe
Zoe
what if every password has to be unique? xD
09:39
hah "Password entered is not correct. It belongs to user [email protected]. Please try again"
3
"User xX_h4x0r_Xx already uses password hunter2; Choose a different one"
2
Zoe
Zoe
XD
I would just alert that whenever someone creates an account. For the extra good feeling :)
yeah it'd be unfair if only the new guy knew
Zoe
Zoe
^
09:43
I would also add easter eggs in the site
like if someone tried sql injection, it would jump to a fake error page
yeah, I think a site like that would be fun to make
What are we waiting for then?
little bobby tables
well, i'm waiting for my shift to end technically
@wonderb0lt we are waiting for tonight
im definitely going to do it
sql injection is something i dont really know how to do
open-source? :3
i know how it works
and how it could be blocked
but not how you would actually check if someone is attempting it
09:49
It's actually not that hard...
See? Super easy :)
but my code will store that as text in the database
Zoe
Zoe
lmao
no issues whatsoever
Zoe
Zoe
Simple solution for SQL injections: Don't use SQL :>
i could make a regex or something that checks for words like create update delete drop table values etc
but it'd be kinda cheap
09:51
Would fit you
i dont like cheap
Zoe
Zoe
You are cheap?
/shrug
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
09:51
what if the backing database doesnt even use sql?
@Zoe im rather expensive actually
Yeah... Costing everyones time
for geis, i cost much more
he pays me with patience
Some nerves here and there indeed
and he is out of any patience
Zoe
Zoe
Patience doesn't grow on trees with the weed-killer @Wietlol around xD
09:55
in any case, im off for a while, gotta check on my car
yesterday, it was kinda... not in the mood for driving
@Wietlol is it an expensive car?
depends on what you call expensive
it doesnt cost much energy, so it is making me fat...
it is kinda cheap :D
I call the Tesla Model X expensive.
my car costs about €300 a month
(everything included)
but i buy them really cheap
Does it have built-in WiFi?
09:59
no, it is old
2001
i dont have such a fancy car
in 3 years, my salary has gains a nice boost, but until that time, i aint buying a fancy car
Zoe
Zoe
2001 is not old
old enough for not having fancy features
hence why i italic'ed it
You're paying €300 a month for a 17 year old car that doesn't have anything fancy?
that car is as old as you are @Zoe
Zoe
Zoe
Not necessarily
10:02
@JennaSloan which are taxes, insurance, fuel, repairs altogether
@Zoe !!!
My car is also already 14 years old, it'd start drinking if it was a kid now
my car is now going for it's driving license
Zoe
Zoe
@wonderb0lt that's actually normal?
soon it will be allowed to drive on its own
What, drinking at 14 or having old cars? :P
Zoe
Zoe
10:03
drinking at 14
around these parts, yeah
> these parts
I demand a more detailed description
Central Germany
Zoe
Zoe
DEUTSCHLAND!
10:05
@Zoe What's that you say, Schweinhund?
i should have been able to know that
in any case, im off
later
Zoe
Zoe
@wonderb0lt Ich bin keine Schwinhund!
Newest thing to break: The hood locks, but not where it's supposed to. Now I've got my hood wipping along a few centimeters wherever I drive :D
/urban Schweinhund
@JennaSloan schweinhund: Pronounced "shvine-hoond." German for "pig-dog." A vile insult in Germany, it has come to enjoy a modicum of popularity in the U.S., in either it's original German form, or translated to English
10:06
> vile insult
so is that swine + hound?
Zoe
Zoe
yep
Sprechens sie English?
Zoe
Zoe
10:08
@wonderb0lt Komm kämpfe mich m8!
@Zoe Willst du den totalen Krieg?
Zoe
Zoe
@wonderb0lt Gern. Es wird enden wie die anderen Kriege, die du begonnen hast ;P
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHIT!
:(
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Verbrennungsbehandlungszentren_in_Deutschland
10:12
fun-killer here: While it is fun from time to time, please try to get back to English after a few messages.
Cheers.
Hello. Guys, is there any easy way to execute postgre query eg. "SELECT 1" with JPA, without making some new entity?
@geisterfurz007 Yeah, sure. I think that last comment is the logical conclusion to our fun little spat in German :o)
Zoe
Zoe
@geisterfurz007 Aight
Fur now :>
Prithee, speaketh English.
hello everyboyd
has any body worked on spring boot vault?
Zoe
Zoe
10:18
@JennaSloan Not ye ol' fashioned english, the moderneth editionSSSSSSSSS
(nailed it :P)
I only speak Proto-Indo-European
Zoe
Zoe
System.out.println("I only talk in Java");
English to Shakespearean translator: lingojam.com/EnglishtoShakespearean
"This is hilarious" doesn't work
Zoe
Zoe
I shall bid thee, Jenna, yond this is a wasteth of timeth to doth
@geisterfurz007 this is hillarious i bid thee
10:35
@Zoe i expected you to also talk in kotlin
you above all else
Zoe
Zoe
println("I do, but it's like speaking an entirely different language in a Java room")
println("Wouldn't wanna confuse people :P")
what is this witchery! I don't understand this code! Too complicated!
Zoe
Zoe
System.out.println("@Wietlol this is why I talk in Java");
;P
maybe add a semicolon
@Zoe this I understand, not that gobbledygook!
10:43
@Zoe syntax error
Zoe
Zoe
println("IT IS CONFUSION!")
madness!
Zoe
Zoe
@SurajRao No, I'm using Java 9.4.2.1.3.5.9.3 which uses ;P as an operator for an emoji
why would it, it already supports unicode
Zoe
Zoe
and stuff that normally would give syntax errors just print instead
Zoe
Zoe
wow, that's actually a thing xD
oh it's in Haskell for maximum circlejerk
Zoe
Zoe
lol
Zoe
Zoe
is facebook down?
Interesting, I can't connect to it either
Zoe
Zoe
it shows "something went wrong"
> The website is probably down just for you...
Zoe
Zoe
the domain is up, but it doesn't work
so the is it down sites will see it as up, but facebook isn't working
10:59
well, i dont use facebook
Zoe
Zoe
just go to the domain and check, you don't need to log in
you shouldn't need to log in to get the error at least
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