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The world is moving so fast these days that the man who says it can't be done is generally interrupted by someone doing it. -- E. Hubbard (source)
 
12:25 AM
morn!
 
morn
 
happy Friyay!
 
12:51 AM
Ah.
 
 
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good morning! :)
 
Good morning :)
 
@KarelG That doesn't do the same though AFAIK, map() changes the return type
 
7:05 AM
posted on July 19, 2019

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@Nzall if you indent to use the object itself, then yes, it is not required.
 
7:21 AM
@KarelG Yeah, I do. I often need to filter on one property and then run an instance method or get a different property
 
 
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@AkashKarnatak -> javachat.github.io/rules.html please read that
 
8:55 AM
ew BlueJ
its nice for teachers tho, since it makes sure that at least half of their class is gone by the second year, which means less work for the teachers
 
its good for beginners
 
never used it in my life
why don't they just recommend a simple IntelliJ community version?
 
its not really good for beginners tho
 
or Eclipse
 
@Tavo its different than a normal IDE
it only lets you edit parts of a file
 
9:00 AM
oohhh I see
 
and it is a more graphical editor
this pretty much sums it up
 
couldn't they just write a plugin for Eclipse to do that?
> "One of my favourite IDEs out there is BlueJ"
— James Gosling, creator of Java.
it's like top 100! - he remarked
 
my favorite IDEs are IntelliJ and UE4
the blueprint editor is so nice
 
UE4?
 
unreal engine
its a diagram editor where you write... code
 
9:14 AM
oh, I need to check that
 
so, users dont have to understand keywords and syntax and shit
its a great idea as a graphical code editor
much better than the tradditional tree views
and it has a lot of advanced support such as debugging etc
but... it is only for unreal engine
its not like you would write a web service in it
 
oh, that's pretty clever though
 
you theoretically could, but the editor is built-in in the UE editor
I wish there was a standalone version
especially if I could make it work for other languages than C++
for example... wietlang perhaps?
 
It looks cumbersome for long pieces of code though
 
I hear that people start off being a bit skeptical about it because of such reasons
but the more they use it, the more they like it and convert C++ code to the blueprints
but yea, you definitely want to keep good SLA and SOC
(which you should also give high priority to on textual code)
 
9:21 AM
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UML?
 
ew, not UML
 
on a complete different note: What do you think about project managers? I had an interesting conversation with my ex-boss last night and I'd like to hear other points of view
 
@Wietlol SLA/SOC?
 
what about them?
 
@Tavo Are you talking about people or software here?
 
9:24 AM
Single Level of Abstraction and Separation of Concerns
 
people
 
I have used UML.
A bit bored.
 
Honestly, I think it depends on the size of your dev team and how your release cycle works. In bigger teams with tighter release schedules, a project manager can help coordinate work between people and keep an overview of the entire project. In smaller teams with "done when it's done" mentalities like where I work right now, they're less important, and it's more important to have a good direct manager that can solve roadblocks and make sure devs can stay coding
 
@Tavo what about project managers?
 
like, if you have a team of 20 devs that all work on the same project, you need someone, or maybe a couple someones, with a 20,000 feet perspective who can make the tough calls
but if you're just 3 people in a startup or an established company, it's better if the team works by concensus
 
9:29 AM
@Wietlol what's your general opinion about them? Are they useful? Are they not? Are they overrated? Are they key to success?
 
they can be useful, but it depends
you really do need to understand why they do what they do
 
@Nzall how would a PM make a tough call?
 
more so for managers of any kind than for other jobs
 
@Tavo like if a feature might not be ready in time for the next release and they need to decide whether they need to delay it, shelve it or even cancel it
 
understood
 
9:32 AM
Or if a crucial 3rd Party component suddenly breaks and developers can't agree on how to proceed
 
in my case, its mostly priority
we have a few people that come up with more features than 3x our team can implement
so, we need someone to prioritize those features
and cancel 2/3 of them
 
and that's the PM's role?
 
In cases like that, you can't really be mired down in endless discussions between 2 dozen people, you need someone who isn't as bogged down by attachments to existing code or integrations and can make a judgment call
@Tavo yeah, pretty much
 
@Tavo PM has many tasks, but depending on your situation, you focus on a few aspects
which is where "you really do need to understand why they do what they do" comes into play
 
I see
 
9:35 AM
You need someone who knows what the product can do and gets information from devs on how long something would probably take and if the product needs the feature, but who also knows what customers need and want and how the market and the environment is evolving
 
how does the PM have market knowledge though?
 
He gets that information from either personal research or the marketing and sales team
 
ok, got you
 
Essentially, a good PM serves as a buffer between developers, sales and QA, someone who gets a lot of relevant information from various sources and knows how to deal with it
 
I see
sorry, they are kicking me out of the office because they are shutting down the electricity and the doors won't open after 6pm. Need to run. Thanks for your view guys!
 
9:40 AM
But as I said, they are a lot more important in bigger companies where those teams are bigger and you need a small amount of structure to ensure that people don't get bogged down in distractions etc
 
gnight!
 
9:59 AM
good night
 
10:11 AM
good morning
 
Good morning.
 
Ah.
Good evening.
 
10:32 AM
Good midday
 
Good day
Good pre-afternoon
 
10:51 AM
I have this code
    	List<String> list1 = new ArrayList<String>();
    	list1.add("aaa");
    	list1.add("bbb");

        StringBuilder sb1 = new StringBuilder();
        sb1.append("ccc");

        list1.forEach(sb1::append);

        for (String string : list1) {
			System.out.println(string);
		}
What is list1.forEach(sb1::append); doing?
 
it is equivalent to list1.forEach(it => sb1.append(it))
 
@Wietlol Thank you
 
 
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12:00 PM
Stone Age tools found in Namibia dating back to 200,000 years ago are the earliest remains of humans yet identified in Africa. The tools are believed to have belonged to a Homo sapiens predecessor, Homo erectus. (source)
 
 
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1:42 PM
I'm cancelling my plan to watch basketball this coming Sunday.
 
 
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Happy Friday, Jaba!
 
 
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@RalfRafaelFrix Why? :)
 
Circumstances :)
 
I see. xD
 
6:56 PM
@RalfRafaelFrix Who's playing?
 
The last time I watched basketball, it was I think March.
I was at our rest house by the beach that time.
Players from what I remember are from East Coast.
 
So... not big name teams then?
 
Yes, kind of.
 
"kind of"?
 
kind of like that
 
7:04 PM
Ok, but who will be playing?
 
I have no idea...
 
Well, why watch basketball then?
 
I remember a friend who loves basketball a lot
but he was shot
by a turtle
 
😐
 
Yeah, comedy.
Mr. Bean
 
7:10 PM
Cool story bro
 
The best comedy is Inferno by Dante
 
I haven't read that yet, but I heard about it.
 
How have you not read it? It's more than 700 years old!
 
Maybe I'm not attracted to it
I imagine flames
 
7:22 PM
Nah, it's actually icy
 
I mean it's fiery at the beginning, but then gets colder the farther down they go
 
Like rockets?
 
No
It's not really that long of a story
Much shorter than The Odyssey
I didn't read the rest of The Divine Comedy, just Inferno.
We read Inferno in English class many years ago, and then watched that YouTube video.
 
7:49 PM
How about Paradiso?
 
8:08 PM
o/
 
\o
 
Effective Debugging by Diomidis Spinellis is a really good book. Y'all should read it.
It is organized into "items" like Joshua Bloch's book is. :)
@Jenna Yeah Dante is awesome. I played Devil May Cry on the PS2 in high school.
 
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/javadoc LocalTime#now
 
@geisterfurz007 Type the name of a Java class (e.g. "java.lang.String") or a method (e.g. "Integer#parseInt").
 

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