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fge
12:05 AM
@Gemtastic I really do appreciate the compliment though!
But I hate when things don't go to plan
So next time I'll do much better
(hopefully)
 
@fge One has to do mistakes to learn. Trial and error is the best way of finding what works for you, so keep trying and I will keep watching :)
And I don't think you're doing that bad
My teachers even get paid for that bullshit >_>
 
fge
Well, I kind of did bad on that one
I mean, I should teach more about TestNG
 
The quality was better for some reason though
 
fge
And I didn't expect mockito to play such a prominent role
I need to think of a better plan
 
12:21 AM
Pfft I just had apple-wine
We bought it thinking it was some kind of apple juice
The clerk didn't even ID me when we bought it. Bet he didn't realize it was booze either XD
 
Question. On a peer to peer application. How much data can a peer handle?
What I wanna achieve is a million users each broadcasting ~100kb (uncompressed string) of data to each other.
 
fge
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Q: Is there a way to improve this request?

fgeEnvironment: Java 8; specifically, Oracle JDK 1.8u25; h2 as a SQL backend; jooq for querying. The table/database I'm querying from: private static final String H2_URI_PREFIX = "jdbc:h2:"; private static final String H2_URI_POSTFIX = ";LOG=0;LOCK_MODE=0;UNDO_LOG=0;CACHE_SIZE=131072"; priv...

 
 
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1:35 AM
@fge you like?
 
fge
 
Is that a no?
 
fge
@Gemtastic sorry, just noticed
 
Ok :)
 
fge
@Gemtastic nice! I'd just like the G to be "bigger" and the p "smaller" though (I kind of misread the initial G for a non capital b at first)
 
1:44 AM
I can fix that. I can also make it a proper cursive G if you want me to; as it is now it's a mix
 
fge
Not sure what you mean by "proper cursive", really
(well, I do have some memory of it from my childhood days)
 
fge
Hoo, that's nice
 
2:23 AM
I missed a TDD session? Noooooooo.... :'( :'( :'(
My eyes still hurt
 
2:44 AM
I hope we will have another TDD session @fge
 
3:12 AM
good morning..
 
 
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4:27 AM
Mrng @Swordy you are up early today
 
I'm up even earlier.. Just that i come online quite late..
I woke up 4 hours back..
 
Ohh.. you are a morning guy.. i like that
 
yeah but i hate night sessions by fge :'(
 
I missed it because of the side effects of my swimming lessons
 
does that imply that I missed it because of the side effect of my sleep ??
;)
 
4:42 AM
Haha.. may be.. but according to IST, it was scheduled at 10.30 or 11 which isn't very late IMHO
 
4:00 am , ahem ahem
 
Well, but they were scheduling it early. You could have commented then..
 
i was offline..
 
5:17 AM
Well, I had told you to keep an eye :P
 
 
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7:45 AM
Good morning, Java
@fge Why did you use smoothed lines?
 
 
1 hour later…
8:54 AM
Morning
 
Sam
9:09 AM
Morning
 
Hey Sam
 
Sam
Hiya
 
what's up?
 
Sam
Meh, not much. I've just woken up.
You?
 
same as me then :P
 
Sam
9:16 AM
Good ol' gmt.
 
indeed
 
Boring :(
 
Sam
@OlegKuznetsov In the famous words of Uni, that sucks™.
 
@Sam Well, I have to review code by my colleagues, so yeah... Pretty mechanical work :(
 
Sam
9:32 AM
Oh, right. Yeah :/
 
fge
@OlegKuznetsov because straight lines are, uh, rather ugly
And "because I can" (tm)
@OlegKuznetsov also, this is not in JavaFX proper, unfortunately
 
Java front-end web? that sounds interesting, anyone knows what that is?
 
@fge Your right [but it looks weird, since in reality you can't have "code in a half of a row" or "61.2" tree depth]
 
fge
@Gemtastic are you talking about GWT?
 
@fge I have no idea; the ad just say "Java frontend"
 
fge
9:41 AM
@OlegKuznetsov yeah, that's also true :) My next step is to display the line on a text field below the graph when the mouse is over a series
Also, I have layout problems
 
@fge hey know of any good online javafx tutorials??
 
fge
@Swordy not really; I just jumped from one resource to another, tried and failed a lot, until I got it right
 
u mean trial and error?
 
fge
search, code, fail, code, fail, search, code, fail, rage, search, etc etc
Exactly
 
u forgot caffeine
broken keyboards
torn clothes
 
fge
9:53 AM
Well, in the end I got what I wanted, and now I can port this app to a webapp by only reimplementing one interface :p
(per "window")
 
youtube.com/watch?v=EEcpMTpaWhs this looks good , given the feedback in comments
I just need a starting push.. then its all trial and error and stackoverflow
 
If you're gonna make JavaFX GUI I recommend using Scene Builder
 
what is that?
 
@Gemtastic write it from scratch in XML!
 
@HamZa Scene Builder makes it easier and you have a direct visual of what you're building. You can then look at the FXML and learn what it's supposed to look like later. It's easier to first use Scene Builder. When you get good enough you might just make any changes in the FXML because it's faster than loading Scene Builder
 
10:01 AM
@Gemtastic yeah. I was a bit surprised when I started with android studio. I had to write it from scratch
 
Technically, you don't have to use the FXML at all with JavaFX, but it makes for a neat MVC design.
 
MVP?
 
@HamZa I haven't gotten around to android yet.
@HamZa No, MVC; Model View Controller
 
Oh that said, I will update AS
 
It's an alternative to MVP
 
fge
10:02 AM
I much prefer MVP
 
I don't think it's an alternative but I don't have that much of a knowledge to back up this claim
 
1085
A: What are MVP and MVC and what is the difference?

Glenn BlockModel-View-Presenter In MVP, the Presenter contains the UI business logic for the View. All invocations from the View delegate directly to Presenter. The Presenter is also decoupled directly from the View and talks to it through an interface. This is to allow mocking of the View in a unit test. ...

They are both design patterns
 
@Gemtastic hehe
 
How is foreach loop in JAVA different from foreach in c#?
 
@Abhishek java doesn't see sharp
 
10:13 AM
:)
So, is there a common chat room for both?
 
You can look among the chat rooms yourself to find out.
there's even a search field :P
 
ok :)
 
I don't see the point in the question. Hint: one could just search how you do a foreach loop in java and then look how it's done in C#
 
@HamZa Great minds think alike. I was gonna type that but got distracted XD
 
10:33 AM
Greetings friends and fellow humans!
I has returned!
 
fge
the chants begin all around the Earth and Alpha Centauri
 
@fge I am now
 
Human extends Object
return (Human) Unihedro;
therefore a human is an object according to Java
 
hello @uni
 
10:35 AM
Hello world.
Eh.
The enthusiasm has faded. I will be right back.
 
hehehe
 
fge
Among other things I am thinking about how to improve on the TDD session
Meh
 
At least you're having fun doing the sessions, which I'm glad of. :D
 
fge
Yeah, that's really fun
 
this guy is kinda priceless... he's using a cheap camera and a whiteboard to make tutorials, and he seriously put tags in the video saying "these tutorials cost $1000 to make, please donate so I can make more"
 
fge
10:37 AM
And it's a good application of Nicolas Boileau's saying
 
@fge maybe prepare the code (or part of it) beforehand?
 
@Gemtastic I like that a lot. The font isn't fixed font, but still scales well with the logo to the left, and the alignment (breaking up the name "grappa debugger" into two words kin kitty-corner) is awesome.
 
fge
Well, in TDD you don't really prepare code
 
hehehe
ok
 
Well, everyone has returned
how was the session @HamZa @gem
 
fge
10:38 AM
But you have to have an idea of what to do
 
@ItachiUchiha Negative. Michael is missing.
 
@Unihedro oh, thank you! :D
 
@ItachiUchiha great, learned something about tdd
 
Hope I didn't miss too much fun
 
10:39 AM
also which libraries I should use if I get started with it
 
dear devs, i need your keen help
 
AssertJ and Mockito ftw!
 
@ItachiUchiha I need to make a bit more of a background read but I think it was fine. the sensei himself didn't seem to pleased with it though
 
@Gemtastic same thought
That's why I asked him what I could prepare
 
fge
No indeed, I'm not satisfied
 
10:42 AM
 
fge
Way too much time was spent on Mockito to the expense of the other tools
 
not satisfied..
ahh
 
I guess it Needs Improvement.
 
fge
(at the expense, sorry)
 
I need to refactor my MediaPlayer project with TDD
 
10:43 AM
I need to write unit tests for JCE before airing it
 
It has 3 stars with a code that a good dev won't even try to read :P
That was a time when I was new to Java
and FX
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha well, a solution can be that I take an existing project and tell how to refactor it for better testing ;)
I do have some very old projects like that as well
Pam4j for instance...
 
Ohh, can we do it for my project. It is a JavaFX project, but I don't want it to follow MVP, because it can confuse new dev's.
 
fge
(meh, it needs to use JNA for starters)
 
It has just 2-3 class
 
fge
10:46 AM
Yeah, that could make a good target
Link?
has a UI problem with his debugger; damnit
 
I need to refractor it, before we can start
 
@ItachiUchiha a media player for pc??
 
yeah.. It internally uses the JavaFX components
I will try and refractor the code, so people can at least read it
 
11:02 AM
cool,will it be free or paid?
 
Since it's on github I presume it's free
but!
 
Github is for open software, so it's probably free, subject to use of license terms.
 
not if shin chan plans to put it up for sale..
 
I once saw someone doing the following:
He proposed his android app for $x on the Google Play Store but he gave the source code for free.
This is to encourage people to help out on OSS.
 
I have no such plans
Most of the people are not coders and can't build the source code, so it makes sense
 
11:05 AM
Btw , are pc applications in demand? Given that smartphone/tablets are the main gadgets used for media , and vlc and other players have a stronghold on pc..
 
fge
Oh, by the way, my Path assertions made it into assertj
assertj 2.x will have assertions for java.nio.file!
 
Multi platform ?? @ItachiUchiha
 
@Swordy I still prefer my PC :P
 
Yeah, it is build using JavaFX, which is multi platform.
 
fge
thinks about a method to test to make use of TestNG's @DataProvider
 
11:11 AM
@HamZa maybe u owe ur choice of preference to the speakers..
 
@Swordy tablets are a hype
 
that is what kids get when parents aren't sure whether getting them a smartphone is a great idea..
 
Still better than an unfunny "geek tee shirt".
 
fge
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A: How do you mock a JavaFX toolkit initialization?

eckigOk, first things first: I never used Mockito once in a life. But I was curious, so I spent several hours to figure this out and I guess there is much to improve. So to get this working, we need: The aforementioned (by @jewelsea) JUnit Threading Rule. A custom MockMaker implementation, wrapping...

^^^ how to unit test your Javafx widgets!
It works!
And the guy didn't even use mockito before answering the question
Meh, that is some piece of work he did
 
@fge My instincts tell me they're lying.
 
fge
11:20 AM
Unfortunately most setters are final so I can't verify() all interactions I would like
No, I don't believe he lies
 
Nooooo! [I moved files (and then renamed them) after adding them to SVN. Huge mistake]
 
Why would you ever want to do that?
 
Use SVN or rename/remove files?
[censored]
 
fge
Use SVN
 
How could Microsoft create such horrible shell?
@fge shrug I'm not the lead or admin to switch everyone to anything else :-/
 
11:40 AM
@OlegKuznetsov ... Sorry for blunt answer, but. Because they're microsoft?
 
that isn't a blunt answer.. its the truth..
 
Maybe I should install Cygwin: I'm so sick of PowerShell's copy-paste: this is ridiculous!
 
Cygwin is good.
 
Python!
 
11:47 AM
I hate Python :(
[as a user. Though, I use Hg]
 
Why do you hate Python?
Viperfobia?
 
Ha-ha, no :) It's slow and eats way too much RAM: Yesterday I run RabbitVCS and it took 2.1GB (python's process) for 3 small repos :-/
 
wow
I just ordered black hat python
 
My favourite part about python is its regex engine.
 
You mean the new engine?
 
fge
12:37 PM
Gee, it's not easy to write tests after the fact
 
@Unihedro you might be knowing my relation with python and regex :P
@fge i want to be present for your next session :'(
 
fge
Meh, it's not even scheduled yet
 
You really should schedule these sessions so I don't like miss every one of them.
 
fge
Yeah, but then you never tell when you're available :p
 
yeah.. if u schedule it half an hour before , how could i possibly be present if i were offline
 
fge
12:39 PM
If I schedule one at a time where nobody is there, it's kind of, you know, worthless
 
You know my times , and yesterday's session was 4:00 am here.. i was sleeping..
14:30 -- many ppl present..
 
fge
Actually no, I don't know :)
 
even unihedro , shinchan , michael , gem and even oleg..
 
fge
I have a rather poor memory when I'm deep into code :p
 
I'll remind u of that..
 
fge
12:41 PM
Well, decide between yourselves what day/time you want and then tell me ;)
 
@fge 24/7 possible?
 
fge
Well, let's avoid between 2am and 7am my time, but otherwise yes (GMT+1 here as a recall)
 
Yay! I won the first runner-up of Tribo World Cup One!
 
your time zone -- 14:30 .. and atleast inform one day in advance.. so that we dont commit to something else .. By that , i do not mean git checkout -b nothing , git commit - a ..
 
fge
@Swordy as I just said, decide between yourselves what time you want
 
12:43 PM
unihedro says 24/7 .. so he should be ok with anytime
 
No, I meant fge should do marathonic sessions so we never miss any, as there's always the session ready when we get online.
 
@ItachiUchiha @Michael @OlegKuznetsov @Gemtastic : sorry for the ping , but are u guys ok with the session by fge at 14:30 (as per +1 GMT)
 
I am
 
@Unihedro fge isn't a code or bot that can keep running 24*365 hours a year.. :(
 
@Unihedro That could be arranged... if he recorded his sessions ;)
 
12:49 PM
btw a question.. will java swing tutorials be of any help for javafx in any possible way??
 
fge
@Gemtastic and if I did how would I make them available? :p
(well, youtube, I guess)
 
@fge Youtube or any cloud storage
Heck, you could even put them as a torrent
 
yeah..
 
fge
<-- too shy, actually
 
The question isn't how to make them available, the question is how do you not make them available?
 
12:52 PM
we wouldnt be able to download as there would be very few leechers and seeders :'(
 
fge
Because I'm never satisfied?
 
@fge why not make a channel like derek banas?
 
@Swordy you can upload it to servers that will host it for you
 
tutorials on various topics
you could benefit the entire community :)
 
@fge yes
I already told ya the software you need to record them and I know you have installed them ;)
@Swordy I am. btw, which session is it?
 
12:55 PM
TDD ??
 
yeah
 
ohk so its 3 of us.. waiting for micheal , oleg , hamza
 
what about uni?
 
he is ok with 24/7
 
@Swordy I don't have time today, sorry :( [too bad, he doesn't write it]
 
12:57 PM
14:30 is not good for me
 
not for today ..i mean in general @OlegKuznetsov
 
@fge Make them unlisted. :p
 
he should notify us one day in advance..
 
Anything after 16:30 (GMT + 1) is good for me
 
and 14:30??
 
1:00 PM
Nope
Doesn't suite me
 
hmmm..
 
Youtube video would be a solution
 
Yeah , that is..
 
@Swordy It's the middle of a work day, so no :(
 
ohhk .. quite difficult for everyone to be present for any given session
 
1:02 PM
Feb 5 at 14:20, by ItachiUchiha
So we will have a session/event as per fge's availability, and create an event. We may record and upload it on youtube for people who missed
^^ this was never followed by @fge but now that he is being forced by everyone, he may do it :P
 
@ItachiUchiha you deserve a medal for that statement..
 
case 1: <...> case 14: case -1: <...> case -12: default: Um...
I wonder why Sonar doesn't like this switch block, lol
public static long addToDate(Long ms) {
/* Commented code */
return 0L;
}
Hahaha
 
@ItachiUchiha Just poke me to add the event whenever anyone wants to start a session beforehand.
That could be you, if you want to do something in front of everyone and present it, for example. :p
 
@Unihedro I can't present anything :/
 
That's what you think. :P
 
1:08 PM
Anyone interested to learn spring can poke me :P
 
I can record myself explaining how to use JCE for a grand dozen of hours, for example.
 
haha
Got your point :P
 
fge
OK, kazam works
I'll try something
 
@fge remember to uncheck the speaker
just check the microphone recording
 
fge
Well, there's a lot of background noise
But, uh, it's bearable, I guess...
 
1:10 PM
any good book for javafx?
 
No idea.
 
Hi guys
Does anyone know answer to this?
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Q: Dropwizard migrations Liquibase new changeset not migrating

Passionate DeveloperI've added new changeset to migrations.xml but when I run db migration config-file it doesn't apply new changeset but just with below output: INFO [2015-02-10 12:59:34,193] liquibase: Successfully acquired change log lock INFO [2015-02-10 12:59:34,809] liquibase: Reading from public.databasech...

 
@Swordy go through the oracle tutorials
 
I've added new chhangeset under migrations.xml then ran db migration but it doesn't seem to be applying my new changeset
 
1:13 PM
@PassionateDeveloper What help are you expecting with no stack trace? Everything looks fine.
 
and one more question.. are javafx and java swing too different in their syntax , implementations??
 
Plus, you've only posted the question for 11 minutes. If an answer is at all important, place a bounty.
 
@Unihedro I just ran java -jar build/libs/punters-app-all.jar db migrate src/main/resources/env.local.yml
and that was the only output
 
@PassionateDeveloper I don't get it. "So it just doesn't work"?
 
@Unihedro I checked the postgres db but only first changeset is applied
 
1:17 PM
Can you at least attach that so we're not doing guesswork just to try for an answer? :p
Thanks.
 
I just did
 
hi tried WordCount Hadoop example from Apache tutorial , worked well,

but it was standalone JAR

they have asked to run it as:

> $ bin/hadoop jar wc.jar WordCount

hadoop command use to load all the dependencies, but now while imitating the same thru eclipse am not able to get how I can setup all the run time dependecies that are automatically loaded by hadoop
 
@Unihedro I can only see first changeset insert entry under databasechangelog table
 
fge
1:37 PM
youtu.be/Y9TFPiUobW8 <-- what do you think?
(recorded with Kazam)
 
Yaay
 
thats nice..!!!
do you speak softly??
 
fge
Hmmno, I speak normally
I should probably buy a headset with an integrated mike
 
If you want to that would be good
I can hear you just fine though
 
@Unihedro what do u think?
 
1:44 PM
probably have ur mic closer ??
 
So... How do you create a hangout with yourself?
 
fge
@Swordy it's in the laptop's chassis, somewhere, and in fact I don't even know where it's located
 
ohhh i understand.. :-|
 
fge
Meh, I'll investigate in a mike, I can afford that :p
 
thats ma boy ..
XD
 
fge
2:01 PM
OK, well, I guess I can make another one :p
wonders what to do next
Meh, I know what
java.nio.file
:p
 
Meh.
moar tdds plz
 
@fge Do it!
 
I've actually missed every TDD session, as a fun fact.
 
The good thing about videos is that you have the control over what you publish; you can edit the videos and re-record things if they turn out bad.
 
fge
2:17 PM
Wee
Getting somewhere!
 
nice :)
 
@uni there has been just one TDD session as a fun fact..
 
@ItachiUchiha Consider yourself a hero.
 
2:35 PM
Well there is nothing to consider, o mighty lord!
 
what is the best java library to use when creating a program that connects to SFTP server?
 
fge
thinks of making a JSR 203 implementation of sftp
 
what is that? i mean the JSR 203
 
fge
@anathema Java 7 FileSystems; I have implemented one for FTP and a few others, not SFTP
But that'd be a good thing to have
 
2:50 PM
sorry but we are using Java 6
I am thinking if JSCH is good
though i am still searching on the JSR 203
 
isn't j6 like pre-historic?
 
@HamZa Wisdom of the ancients.
 
@HamZa haha yeah a little bit pre-historic. but that's what the client wants
 
@HamZa Servers still work with java 6. You will be amazed by the numbers..
Even the most prominent cloud suppliers do not support java 8. It is kinda weird world.
People will start moving to java 8 when java 10 is released... pfffttt!!!
 
hehehe
 
3:03 PM
due to stability of the previous versions versus the current one? just a wild guess
lol
 
@anathema hint: nope.avi
 
@HamZa totally.wlmp
 
@anathema why do you think newer veraions are released. So that they can have a more unstable version?
Anyways, brb..
 
lulz
 
nice question @ItachiUchiha, it's not about the 'more unstable version' but for me people thinks that ' Hey a new version is released there might be a possibility that it has bugs so lets stick to the a version older since they are done with it' well that's the thinking of the people around me that's why i made that wild guess
hehe
 
3:15 PM
@anathema nope. It's all about the money. It will cost a lot if you want to upgrade your servers, let alone upgrade your code
 
@HamZa and licenses
Of course, this doesn't apply to Java, but that doesn't mean that misconception is cleared
 
I see
 
fge
3:34 PM
I just wanted to do that, heh
 
One day if you become famous for your set of tutorials, remember us :D
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fge
Meh, my main goal is to be helpful
I don't give a <beep> about fame
 
:p
 
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