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2:42 AM
 
3:39 AM
Hey everyone!
 
Hey there!
 
3:53 AM
hey
 
Hiya
 
how's it going?
 
Great!
 
I'm reading the rules right now for this room, at least the tentative ones
@Unihedron ahh excellent
@Unihedron I see you also appear to have the document open, assuming your gravatar is the same on Google
 
I may have that tab open. I have 23 tabs in the other window, and isn't looking at that window on my other monitor, so. ;)
 
3:59 AM
@Unihedron 10-4, I know the feeling
@Unihedron I added a suggestion that works well elsewhere
anyhoo, I'm not much of a Java programmer, but plenty of C/C++/C# so the syntax seems pretty straightforward
 
Cool!
 
but I'm interested in learning GUI development with Java, and I find myself confused by all the terms/acronyms: SE, JRE, JDK, FX, JFC, Swing, SWT, AWT, IDE: Netbeans vs. Eclipse, etc.
i.e. where I should focus, what I should avoid, etc.
Most books seem to only focus on the basic syntax of command line programs
or on one specific technology
such as JavaFX 8
do you guys have any canonical posts on main or meta for folks like me looking to sort through all this?
assuming I've already learned the basics of Java by reading an introductory book, where should I go next if I wanted to build GUI apps on desktops?
 
Huh?
You gotta be more specific than that. Which book(s) did you read? How basic are the "introductionary" content?
 
I read this book
it was too basic
 
It looks very... Blue, and the author seems promising... He doesn't have an avatar.
 
4:12 AM
but it seems similar to other languages
 
Oh, I see.
Well, which of these can you accomplish?
- Print "Hello World!" into STDOUT.
- Print "Hello World!" into a file.
- Print "Hello World!" through a GUI.
 
I just wanted something that didn't explain programming, but rather how to implement familiar ideas in Java. i.e I already know how to program, now I want to apply this to Java
@Unihedron The first two
 
Maybe you will like the oracle tutorials? docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/index.html
 
@Unihedron I see it shows how to use JavaFX and Swing for GUI in that tutorial
 
@majnemɪzdæn Yeah, JavaFX and Swing are common built-in Java libraries for GUIs.
 
4:19 AM
@Unihedron ok 10-4 so they are just different libraries
like choosing Qt or wxWidgets in C++
I get it now
for whatever reason I was misunderstanding as if Java had different kinds of interpreters on different platforms and different ways of doing it were better for embedded devices vs. desktop devices or something
 
@majnemɪzdæn There are external libraries, but JavaFX and Swing are pretty much the most common and recommended. @Ita is our experienced JavaFX user here, and visits the chat room sometimes.
 
@Unihedron nice cleanup, I'd do it but my mod powers only work on the non-programming chat rooms
@Unihedron cool, any advantages of the one over the other, or merely preference?
(a link is a sufficient answer)
 
@majnemɪzdæn They're both different.
@majnemɪzdæn Oh, chat.SE. Cool beans, I see you are a moderator of another site, so you get network privileges there.
 
@maj heya
 
@ItachiUchiha hello
 
4:29 AM
@uni ssup ?
 
@ItachiUchiha Lots of spam :P
 
@maj wanna know why to learn javafx ?
@uni busy monday for ya :-P
 
@ItachiUchiha School suspended for the day because of the protests here.
 
@ItachiUchiha yes
 
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A: Starting on JavaFX - JavaFX version and "development patterns" questions

ItachiUchihaWelcome to the world of JavaFX I am not sure why you are facing such an issue of javafx 2.2 with jdk 1.8 because jdk 8 has javafx 8 in it and it must be used by default Just to give a quick introduction on JavaFX and how it is different from Swing. Please follow the following points Instead o...

 
4:34 AM
Mind if I pretty-fy it?
 
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A: What to know before starting to learn JavaFX?

ItachiUchihaWell, as far as I am concerned, I would say nothing is mandatory, before you start learning Javafx. Just a small knowledge of JAVA would be enough (just the basics) For Javafx learning resources, Oracle has one of the best available resources, enriched with lucrative examples, which will make yo...

i dont .. do your job..
@maj these might give you some ideas
 
@ItachiUchiha these were very helpful
so did MS basically just steal ideas from Java for C# ? (I learned C# - and the more I learn about Java, the more similar it seems, but C# was the egg not the chicken)
 
C# is like Java except it's better in some ways.
 
@Unihedron it's easy, that's for sure
so this is likely a purely subjective question, but... Netbeans vs. Eclipse? Assume I'll be doing JavaFX 8 development
 
@majnemɪzdæn IntelliJ > Eclipse > NetBeans, most of the time
Sep 13 at 9:20, by Unihedron
I've created a poll related to which IDE our developers use for coding in Java.
 
4:47 AM
@Unihedron so Eclipse by a long slide
 
Yes, more programmers here tend to use Eclipse. But for long-session and serious coding, you would go IntelliJ. I guess that's why it didn't get many votes - IntelliJ programmers are busier! :)
 
@Unihedron well they already are appealing to me --> I love PyCharm
@Unihedron and I happen to qualify for getting it free :D
 
:O luckyy
 
@Unihedron but I distinctly remember paying (a small fee) for PyCharm, so free to students must be new
but may as well enjoy this benefit as I can... altho I'm a lifelong student :P
 
5:04 AM
:P
I'm still watching /realtime...
 
@Unihedron only community edition is free for me, not ultimate
looks like I'll be spending money
probably why I bought PyCharm
 
Community Edition is cool though. It's open-source too I think.
 
community edition of idea ?
 
@ItachiUchiha yes
 
5:23 AM
ahh
ok
@uni y r you not taking part in protest ?
dont you want democracy ?
 
@ItachiUchiha I don't even know what's going on!
 
lolz
guess you are too young :-P
 
@ItachiUchiha You can read what she wrote here. embercraft.us/profile/9602581 It's pretty much close to my perspective on democracy.
 
nice blog
 
It's not a blog. It's supposed to be like facebook. Except our previous devs were so bad at web dev.
 
5:39 AM
ahh i see
i believe web dev, specially ui, needs more creativity than programming..
its similar to art, with a technical twist
 
:p
 
and coz i used to suck at art in school, i have been really able to understand css
 
lol!
 
i left a "never" :-P
 
 
3 hours later…
8:24 AM
@Unihedron ssup ?
 
Heya @Ita. I just put together a java program really quickly, and am now amazed at how bad it is.
 
@Unihedron Whats it about ?
 
in RegEx, 44 mins ago, by Ionică Bizău
Do you know any random regex generator? :-) (cc. @Unihedron)
 
Random Regex generator ? What the hell is that >
 
Well, read the transcript. I finished it just earlier.
 
8:32 AM
I am not sure, what the OP really wanted
 
9:04 AM
guys, does anyone know how to check if current time is midnight with JodaTime?
 
@Eggy what have you tried ?
 
Not me, I haven't worked with JodaTime
 
withTImeAtStartOfDay
I'm having some trouble trying to do a file rollover every time midnight hits
log4j doesn't work with binary files!!
 
:O
 
@Eggy you need to use log4j.appender.FILE=org.apache.log4j.DailyRollingFileAppender
 
9:09 AM
Itachi I have, but it writes the files as Text format
 
and you need in ?
 
we need the files as binary because they get huge
one second plz
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Q: How to Create Binary Log File in Java using Log4J

Gnanam RI am able to create log files using FileAppender, RollingFileAppender,etc., My Problem is that the logs are written as plain text that anyone can read, but I want to register my logs as Binary Files that are not human readable. Can anyone help me with the suggestion to create a Binary log file ...

 
Why not .log file ?
 
sorry itach I started working with log4j like 4 days ago so I'm not entirely sure how it works
 
@Eggy if you want human unreadable format, .log is not what you want
Well I am quite not sure myself how JodaTime works
 
9:13 AM
yeah, I want to use java 8 time and date but our system is for 7 max
and I have time and date below 8 so i use joda since it looks easier
hate*
 
@Eggy If you system supports java 7, don't use joda
 
what should I use?
 
Using Calendar or util.Date
 
hmmm
 
or you can ask your admin to provide you with java 8 and run the server on java 8 as well
 
9:22 AM
yeah he said updating will complicate things with current system lol
 
haha
so use features available with 7
 
yeah I'll check it out I'm just too lazy lol
joda time is easier to read
 
Joda Time has very few examples, as its new
 
yeah that's the bad thing about it
 
the thing that you are searching can be easily found on SO, using Calendar/util Date
 
9:27 AM
yeah thanks Itachi
 
wc :)
 
10:11 AM
Guess @miniHessel hasn't returned from his vacation
 
It wouldn't be a vacation if it's only two days! :)
 
hey went on to some city for his hobby
it can be considered a vacation :P
 
10:27 AM
@Unihedron ever worked with a project which has Skin classes ?
 
@ItachiUchiha What's Skin?
Nope.
 
Its kinda complicated
Even I am trying to understand
:P
Initially I thought, its to do with the Texture/UI of Controls
 
hi
i am new , just got 22 rep :D
 
cool welcome to Stack Overflow
 
i am having problem in solving one problem
 
10:34 AM
@Neil Welcome !
With 22 rep you can chat in chatrooms :)
 
ty
 
So whats up @Neil ?
 
i am good , working in office
is posting question links allowed here?
 
@Neil Yes, but you're responsible for what you post; Blatant self-promotion usually doesn't end well.
Just my $0.02.
In other news: When I finish my ongoing project I'll start working on PhamH, Astro's script, and start working on the engine for our Java room challenge. ;)
 
Okay , stackoverflow.com/questions/26096180/… , can you please check this
 
10:41 AM
commandLine.setMethod('h',test()); //This should give syntax error or i am not sure
there doesn't exist a`setMethod` in Terminal class
 
It is in invokeMethod class
i think my problem is in inVokeMethod function.
public void invokeMethod(String data) throws Exception {
method.invoke(data); //pass the data to invoke (I think my problem is here). I dont know how to pass it.
}
 
commandLine is a reference of Terminal
which has nothing to do with invokeMethod
 
hmm , lemme check
 
10:50 AM
Then it's already flagged and gone! :)
 
yea , It should be setCommand
but still not solved:/
 
test() needs a String parameter
 
but i am passing parameter in next step , commandLine.executeCommand('h', "This is a test");
 
Greetings
 
hello friend
 
10:57 AM
hiya @Karl
 
commandLine.setCommand('h',test()); will first give a call to test()
@Karl heya! Missed ya !
 
How is everybody today?
 
Great!
Lots of spam
 
I am great, trying to understand a piece of code !
Wants to pull his hair
 
Stay away from my hair!
 
11:00 AM
@ItachiUchiha what to do , if i dont want to call test() in setCOmmand , It should only add fields to hashmap , then call it in executecommand fucntion
 
What's the issue?
 
@Karl you are not even close to me :P
 
hello karl
 
Prob not
Greetings Neil
 
i am new here
first day :)
 
11:00 AM
Welcome
 
@Karl I am trying to understand a piece of code, which I am not able to get
 
@ItachiUchiha Is it a code issue, or a logic issue?
 
@Neil Welcome to the world of Java! Cookies are besides the coffee area. New guy has to buy the lunch.
Eagerly waits for lunch, coding joyeously
 
Oh....I guessed you were trying to write, or debug something...
 
11:02 AM
@Unihedron you can have my icetea buddy
 
In that case, I want STEAK for lunch... T-Bone!
 
@Karl Its not an issue, the code is already, I am trying to understand the logic behind it
 
OH!
NP
It does one thing, then another, then another, and so on until the end of the program....
SIMPLE
 
yourmitra.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/… this should help , but i dont know how to use it in my case
 
@Karl Isn't that how every program works? Otherwise you'd be doing it wrong..
 
11:05 AM
Did I simplify it too much? My bad! :P
 
It is simple :p
 
Most code is, ONCE you understand what it's doing...
Back in a few...
 
yeah true
 
Didn't take anywhere as long as I expected...
 
i start liking java now
 
11:16 AM
I suddenly have an amazing idea for a web-based interface.
But I'm not really a web developer.
 
@Unihedron shoot
 
As a php developer , i had tough life while learning java
 
we'll get you started :P
@Neil why the switch ?
 
hmm in my opinion you got to know one complete language to be a better coder , php isnt complete language
 
What is your definition of complete language ?
 
11:18 AM
Turing complete you mean?
 
@Unihedron waiting...
 
Since when isn't PHP a turing complete language?
@ItachiUchiha for? :P
 
@Unihedron to spill the beans on your idea :P
 
i meant oops based concept
php is lacking in oops
 
@Neil PHP 5 is based on OOPS concept
 
11:21 AM
@ItachiUchiha Agreed , dont kill me pls :p
 
haha
 
i am still a newbie , lot to learn
 
when did you graduate ?
@Unihedron waiting ... :P
 
i am mechanical engg by profession turned into software engg fulltime. love this field
 
Java is a evolving language, you can NEVER learn it all
 
11:23 AM
@Karl False. Look at Jon Skeet.
 
who is Jon skeet?
 
Waiting... :P
 
should i google it too
 
He writes Java at Google...
I bet the people who build java don't know it all [individually]
 
@Neil The one person, currently the highest rep user on SO
 
11:29 AM
oh , 713269 holy
 
So, we should simply bow and chant "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" if he ever enters a room we are in?
 
He owns this room.
He knows everything. :P
 
OK
 
does he come often?
 
I've never seen him here
Could you imagine how much you could learn from him....
Java and Android era is jumping more than I've seen this month!
Dead chat
 
11:39 AM
oh
 
@Neil He's lurking behind the shadows.
 
@ItachiUchiha You figure it out?
 
11:52 AM
Hello?
 
@Karl Hmm?
 
Room died...
OK, I'm going "trespassing", KINDA....bbs
 
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