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This place doesn't seem cool anymore.
 
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room topic changed to The Winter Lodge: The coolest room in the universe. Rules: be nice. [lodge] [winter]
 
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@littlepootis, @Dsafds, @zondo, @Slayther, @Sami, sorry for all the drama, @shad0wk has caused. @shad0wk has been banned for 24 hours.
 
@winter I appreciate that, but shad0wk is not the only problem. I also appreciate that you have re-added me as a RO, but I do not intend to remain.
 
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12:14 AM
@zondo All swearing is not allowed.
 
Yeah, it's my fault too
 
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The rules page caused the most problems. It caused arguements and this.
 
I don't want to point any fingers. It appears to be the general opinion that swearing is okay. It isn't okay by me, but that doesn't mean that your room should suffer. Swear all you want. I won't yell at you if I'm not here.
 
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No.
 
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@Slayther You can use wtf.
 
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12:17 AM
As it means what the fudge as @shad0wk pointed out.
 
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fudge is fine.
 
Err.. im confused.
 
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@zondo do you mind the word 'crap'?
 
Who maintains winter?
 
@winter I won't use it. I don't want any further things to happen because of me
 
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12:19 AM
@littlepootis @winter.
 
@winter I don't want to dictate your language, but no; I don't like it.
@littlepootis Winter was originally created by shad0wk, but all ROs have access to him.
 
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@zondo Okay then. The word 'shit', excuse my langauge, is commonly used. What would be a suitable alternative?
 
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@Slayther I disapprove. You use wtf often, so you may use it.
 
I'm not accustomed to substituting swear words. I usually say "nuts" or "rats", but I'm not creative.
 
12:23 AM
@winter I can just expand the first 2 letters
 
I also use grr fairly frequently.
 
Hey all
 
Hey @AndrewLi
 
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@Slayther Yes you may, f in that context will be a synonm of fudge.
 
I think I may be experiencing serial upvoting
 
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12:24 AM
Hey @AndrewLi.
 
Oi oi
 
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@zondo Okay then we shall use, fudge, f, wtf (what the fudge), shh, nuts, rats, grr, arrg.
 
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Do you agree with the list?
 
Hmm. I just got two upvotes on some fairly old answers
 
It sounds fine, but there are several ROs who might not agree.
 
12:26 AM
Both java; within 27 minutes
 
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@zondo Like who?
 
@winter I'm not naming anybody. I'm just saying that we have quite a few ROs, and they might not all agree.
 
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@zondo Please name them, then we shall resolve the issue.
 
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@AndrewLi The person may be attepting to complete the 40 upvotes in a day badge.
 
@winter No, I really can't. I don't know everyone's opinions, and I can guess that restraining the use of swear words will not be a popular suggestion.
 
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12:29 AM
Well, we shall notify the people who will dissagree.
 
Probably everyone here swears. Why should one person restrict seven? I'm thoroughly convinced that swearing is something people hold on to, and the leave button is easy for me to find.
I appreciate your efforts, but I don't want to be the one man who makes everyone else feel restricted.
 
@winter It was over UTC time by a lot
 
A new started between them
Who is using winter right now?
 
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@zondo It's part of the rules. By abiding by you're dislike for swear words we are being nice.
 
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12:36 AM
@AndrewLi Okay.
 
But I also am subject to those rules. It isn't nice of me to make everyone else conform to my rules about language.
 
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You aren't making nobody do anything.
 
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This chat room's rules are the part that is controlling others.
 
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Besides, no swearing would be nice.
 
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@AndrewLi Me.
 
12:38 AM
Wow funny
 
So confusinf
 
Your spellinf is confusinf
 
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@winter is using @winter, how does that not make sense?
 
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Like @AndrewLi is using @AndrewLi.
 
@winter Well, that's two of us that think so, but it isn't popular. I won't make any commitments now. I'll wait until I see votes from the others.
 
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12:40 AM
@AndrewLi, @littlepootis, @Slayther, @Sami, do you agree with this list of allowed swaer words? Fudge, f, wtf (what the fudge), shh, nuts, rats, grr, arrg.
 
What is that list?
 
Why does cursing matter?
Aren't we mature enough to accept it?
Also - crap isn't allowed?
 
In what alternate reality is rats a swear word?
 
Nowhere.
 
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12:42 AM
Some users dissagree, and @zondo would like to know how many people agree with out opinion.
 
@littlepootis I guess it's a whitelist for non-swear words
oh crap
Did I violate a rule
 
@AndrewLi So far, that hasn't been decided.
 
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@littlepootis Normal swear words are the same? The word fuck, (sorry for my langauge), doesn't have an "alternate reality". It is used to express emotions.
 
I have a query - why do we want to control what users say? As long as it isn't overly aggressive or blatantly rude I'm fine with it
Or blatantly unnecessary
 
If that is the decision made, I won't argue with it. I can find the leave button as quickly as anybody.
 
12:44 AM
You can always give warnings or kick/ban for offenses
 
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Yes.
 
@zondo So you're saying that speech should be regulated and you will leave the room if it's allowed?
 
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I am saying that swear words aren't very nice. An I wish for then to be reduced. I don't mid them, just don't use them all the time.
 
As I said: blatantly unnecessary
 
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We must respect @zondo's ways.
 
12:47 AM
@winter no
 
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Please don't start an argument.
 
If something (for example, a swear word) doesn't add anything of value to the conversation I see no need for it
 
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Yes.
 
I'm saying we all have our opinions
 
@AndrewLi I'm not saying that it should be regulated. You do what you want with the rules. I stay if they're regulated; I leave if they aren't.
 
12:48 AM
I'm not arguing, but that's insultinf.
 
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We don't have to use swear words.
 
My spellif ufh
 
@zondo I'm not saying speech won't be regulated at all; but I'd something more lenient. If something is blatantly rude, unnecessary, or in violation of the Be Nice policy I see no need for it in this room
 
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Agreed.
 
Micromanaging users to the point where you say "oh that's not ok" when someone says something as harmless as "crap" is pointless
 
12:49 AM
I'm interested in knowing how you came to that conclusion.. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33616055#33616055
 
That just discourages them
 
@AndrewLi Be as lenient as you like. If my opinion sways you, so be it. If it doesn't, I can leave.
 
3 mins ago, by winter
Also using swear words is a sign of a lower IQ.
Wat
 
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@littlepootis @AndrewLi It's a scientific fact.
 
Evidence please
 
12:51 AM
It isn't really relevant, is it?
We don't throw people out because of their IQ.
 
IQ is not a well defined term. Scientific facts require fallacy-less, constructive arguments.
 
@zondo Sure. My problem is that regulating speech shouldn't be something we do - it's a chat room after all. Of course we need regulations, but I'd like to be more lenient then harsh as being harsh sometimes encourages the regulated action, and can discourage others
@winter any scientific evidence and not some random site?
 
@AndrewLi I'm not trying to restrict your leniency. I won't stay if I don't like the language being used, but that doesn't mean you need to follow my rules.
 
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1 message moved to Trash
 
@zondo Ok then. I also wouldn't like to drive away someone because another someone is being rude in chat.
 
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12:54 AM
I read that fact in a news article a few years ago.
 
@winter I like you
 
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Why is that?
 
But still - any scientific studies, articles? :P
 
There is no correlation.
 
Studies aren't really valid for establishing it as a fact either..
 
12:55 AM
Like the other day - you need to be prepared to supplemen your claims with facts
 
In fact, facts don't exist
 
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I don't remember the article. It was a scientific study. Nevermind, this fact is irrelevant to the argument.
 
@littlepootis I'm not saying that; studies and articles make it more credible but not necessarily more true
 
12:56 AM
:P
 
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Oops, you cannot be banned if you have acess.
 
Why are you trying to ban @shad0wk?
 
Because @winter is @shad0wk
 
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Because he caused @zondo and @Slayther, to leave.
 
I don't see the point
 
12:58 AM
Here .
 
So @winter != @shad0wk
 
@winter Nothing but myself caused me to leave.
 
See it in all its beauty
 
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@AndrewLi Yes.
 
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@Slayther What shad0wk said in the other room was quite harsh, and I did see you leave after that.
 
12:59 AM
@winter Correlation is not causation.
 
Honestly, if you are trying to make everyone happy by banning someone who has 'made someone leave' - that's immature. People have their opinions and will voice them, it doesn't have to be all hunky dory. Someone will always be offended but please let people express their opinions
 
I had my own reasons
 
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@Slayther It was causation, you said it was very harsh then immediately left.
 
@AndrewLi What shad0wk said was more than just an opinion. He said something that was extremely offensive. I can't give you the link because it was deleted by flags.
 
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1:00 AM
@zondo Yes.
 
@zondo OK, sorry; didn't know about that but bottom line - if someone politely expresses their opinion and you disagree - don't forcibly shut them up
 
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It was pretty bad; like really bad.
 
@AndrewLi that was very offensice indeed
I'd have banned him for 30 minutes to cooldown if I had the power to do so.
 
Can you give me a gist?
 
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I banned him for 24 hours. Or just a day.
 
1:02 AM
What was the source of the conflict if you don't mind?
 
My disgust for swearing.
In short, he has very little respect for my parents.
 
@winter You correlated the small time span between those events with me leaving as cause of those events. But the reason to me leaving wasn't you saying those words, it was because @zondo left and I like him because he is a very nice guy. I don't know, I just felt guilty for it.
 
See; I wholeheartedly agree that shouldn't be allowed
 
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By reading what happended it looks like, @Slayther and @zondo were arguing about swear words, which made @zondo leave. Then @shad0wk came in and talked to @zondo, which became an agressive argument. @shad0wk said that really mean message, then @zondo and @Slayther left.
 
But there is leniency in SOCVR and it's just fine
 
1:05 AM
I used to hang out in SOCVR, but I left because I didn't like the language.
 
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@Slayther I see. Don't feel guilty for what someone else did, it's unhealthy.
 
@winter Well, it was my fault too
 
So I guess the majority want tighter rules?
 
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@Slayther Yes and no.
 
I don't concede with my argument but if we don't go around micromanaging users about using words like 'crap' I'm fine
 
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1:07 AM
At least you didn't say what @shad0wk siad.
 
@winter Partial or not. Maybe or certain, I usually react differently. I'm just that kind of person. I'm highly empathetic.
 
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Right. shad0wk seems to get quite angry fast.
 
Can we agree on a compromise?
 
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I mean @shad0wk even made @Dsafds leave.
 
Who is @winter? What's your main account?
 
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1:10 AM
 
No, seriously
Or is there just one person running winter now?
 
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Yes.
 
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Me.
 
K
If there is no concensus on what our speech policy is, or a good compromise I will probably leave as well. I never saw the point of this room to be honest
 
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Yeah, me too.
 
1:13 AM
._.
 
Wait what?
 
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I got an account to anonymously talk.
 
user6438653
Hey guys.
 
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I'm sorry.
 
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@zondo I'm really sorry. I didn't mesn those things. I just got really angry.
 
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1:16 AM
Who let you.
 
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@winter Let me what?
 
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Wait what? Who's using you?
 
@shad0wk It's alright. People make mistakes
 
Directed by Michael Bay
 
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@shad0wk I banned you for a day.
 
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1:17 AM
@shad0wk Me.
 
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@Slayther Sorry to you as well :|
 
@shad0wk It's alright. I'm sorry that I caused such a fuss.
 
@shad0wk Sorry for what? You caused me no harm.
 
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Alright have your speech.
 
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@zondo Sorry. :|
 
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1:18 AM
@Slayther I made you leave.
 
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@littlepootis lol
 
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@winter Who are you?
 
@shad0wk No, I left because @zondo left. When he left the 2nd room, I was done.
 
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@Slayther It was my fault.
 
@shad0wk It wasn't all yours
 
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1:19 AM
@shad0wk No one in particular.
 
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Yeah, but I said those horrible things.
 
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Sorry @zondo.
 
Hands have been shaken
 
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Yes.
 
Let's not overshake :)
 
1:21 AM
My bones are rattling.
 
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@Slayther lol.
 
The past is past, what's happend has happened. New horizon is upon us.
 
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@zondo lol, sorry man :/
 
What'd I miss
 
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@Slayther Yeah.
 
1:21 AM
@shad0wk wb
 
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@AndrewLi The shaking of the hands.
 
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@AndrewLi Wb?
 
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bye
 
Welcome back
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Well, it's time for me to go to bed. Good night all.
 
1:30 AM
@zondo Bye!
 
@zondo Good night
Well, I didn't expect everything to turn out this good after what has happened. Kudos to all of us for being mature enough to get everything settled.
 
@shad0wk how's skyfight going?
 
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@littlepootis What?
 
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@zondo belated bye.
 
Oh, sorry
 
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1:40 AM
@Slayther Yeah.
 
@shad0wk != @winter :P
 
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Good detective skills @littlepootis. skyfight is going good.
 
Lol
I thought @winter was your alter-ego
 
@winter thanks
Well, Dsafds is online.
But isn't here.
This message was a reply to message sent after it...
 
Wait what
Seems Loquitor got a quantum upgrade?
 
1:51 AM
I still sit by my opinion that IQ has nothing to do with swearing
 
I agree that there is no correlation between those 2
I swear as much as my family members, but I have higher IQ than any of them
 
My parents swear a lot, and racist, sexist jokes are "normal" in my house.
 
Well, we are more mild. But saying quite harsh words here and there is normal, if meant in context of expression, not directed.
When I say a swear as expression, I usually don't even notice
 
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@Slayther lol.
 
Well, I gtg sleep
 
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2:00 AM
I'm @shad0wk.
 
Good night y'all
 
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@Slayther Goodnight :)
 
@winter I knew that all along lol
 
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@Slayther :)
 
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I got to go too. Bye guys.
 
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2:01 AM
I have been @shad0wk all along.
 
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Cya @littlepootis. You got me ;)
 
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bye bye
 
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test
 
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2:47 AM
bye
 
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@winter Who are you?
 
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happy
 
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ヾ(@^▽^@)ノ
 
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angry
 
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(; ̄Д ̄)
 
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2:48 AM
>> commands
 
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@shad0wk what you mean?
 
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>> listcommands
 
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@shad0wk I don't know what that means.
 
user6438653
>> help
 
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>>define: Search for meaning of word (on Wiktionary)
>>greet: Given a space-separated list of usernames, greet those users.
>>help: Syntax: `help` or `help <cmd>`. If cmd supports arguments, `help <cmd> <cmd-args>` may be possible
>>pause: Given `>>pause 4 minutes`, stop listening for commands for 4 minutes. Many time units are supported. This is a RO-only command.
>>search: Search for item on the web (using Bing)
>>test: It didn't work.
>>translate: Translate word/phrase using Bing's translation API. By default, the source language is guessed, and the target language is English, but yo
 
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2:49 AM
>>test
 
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@shad0wk Hey.
 
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>> test
 
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@shad0wk This is just a test.
 
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Hi @rkevx21.
 
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@RO's we got some attention.
 
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2:53 AM
bye
 
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back.
 
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3:08 AM
@AndrewLi You here?
 
ye
 
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@Sami What about you?
 
user6438653
@AndrewLi Yay!
 
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Do you know who @rkevx21 is?
 
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@AndrewLi?
 
3:11 AM
Nope
 
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Wonder why he's here.
 
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I gave him write acess.
 
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Or her.
 
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3:26 AM
Hey I'm getting a domain.
 
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And I'm wondering what do i put in the ip part?
 
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Hostname: skyfight.ga        IP address:
Hostname: www.skyfight.ga    IP address:
 
Huh?
 
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(;´@へ@`)
 
user6438653
yer
 
3:29 AM
The IP address is where the DNS will redirect to
 
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@AndrewLi I want to make my heroku game redirect to this domain.
 
DNS just make it human readable
 
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I don't want it redirecting to another domain i want to redirect a different domain to this one.
 
Huh?
 
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( ؕؔʘ̥̥̥̥ ه ؔؕʘ̥̥̥̥ )?
 
user6438653
3:30 AM
Yer
 
What's the IP of the web app right now?
 
user6438653
Umm, I don't know.
 
Oh, because it's a Heroku app
They don't provide static IPs for that
 
user6438653
Yep.
 
user6438653
3:34 AM
forward domain or use dns?
 
I'm not a network guy :(
 
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Danit :|
 
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Hmm....
 
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angry
 
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(ᗒᗣᗕ)՞
 
user6438653
3:53 AM
@AndrewLi Do you like ma new profile pic?
 
user6438653
The winter lodge doesn't sound programmer related.
 
user6438653
I think we should create something like https://somethingchat.herokuapp.com
 
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Where we can chat, without restrictions.
 
user6438653
And ditch SO.
 
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The chat can have only us.
 
user6438653
4:02 AM
By us I mean AndrewLi, shad0wk, Slayther, Sami, zondo, Dsafds, and littlepootis.
 
user6438653
Who likes this idea?
 
user6438653
Well bye, I'll be back later or tomorrow.
 
@shad0wk pretty cool
 
user6438653
4:25 AM
Thanks :)
 
user6438653
I stole it from somewhere then made it darker, lol.
 
user6438653
5:54 AM
Okay no one's here. Bye.
 
6:59 AM
@shad0wk o/
 

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