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Updated the totals. We've closed a lot today
 
 
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user3956566
5:16 AM
so many questions that should be asked at godaddy are being asked here.
 
user3956566
Just a heads up, don't forget to edit out the on questions that are ontopic
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user3956566
5:41 AM
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Q: Can we have a temporary embargo on tag burninations?

Greg PSE is looking at how to assist users in getting on top of the close vote queue Is using reputation to scale the number of close votes the best way? and yet there are still requests are coming in (Please help out with burninating [godaddy]! just put a stress and strain on the queue and the small p...

 
user3956566
5:56 AM
I posted this here to see what you guys thought
 
6:21 AM
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6:39 AM
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If you're looking for off-topic questions with the tag , use this search. It returns questions mostly off-topic; go to the last page and start reviewing.
ok. I've used all my votes and seeded 50 questions. Lemme create a batch..
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7:08 AM
@rene do you mind going through the above batches whenever you have time?
 
@GregP I don't expect a huge change in the queue size, assuming the same users are still close voting but now only spend their votes on a single tag. Don't assume that our dedication of aprox. 40 to 50 users is matched by many more. It does mean we can't do much for the other tags during these burnination, much like Drew says. So I agree we can use some help but we have a better chance if we seek it within the current boundaries of the system.
But it was worth a try, so thanks for feeling the water ;)
@AshishAhujaツ sure
 
user3956566
@rene thanks. It wasn't well received, so I deleted it. No point keeping a bad idea active. Well I guess the best thing is to try no too look at the size and how overwhelming it can be
 
@rene thanks! Ping me when you're done, I'll look at the numbers again, and create a new batch if theres a major change in numbers
 
user3956566
One thing I'd like to know is the best close vote reason, I am not sure the other sites would regard these posts as ontopic for them.
 
@GregP yeah, let's just take off small bits but don't try to think about the numbers og bites that needs ... that is hard .. I know ... I know ....
@GregP yeah, I try to keep it on POB/TB/UC as much as possible
 
user3956566
7:18 AM
I don't know how you do it rene
 
@GregP For me, most questions I VTC are "belongs on SF". I agree they might not be fit for the other site, that is why we are closing it here instead of migrating
 
Gunr did a whole run y'day with not customer support as custom reason
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ that concerns me though, the other sites don't like being a dumping ground for our off topic stuff.
 
user3956566
Yeh I have a this should be asked at Godaddy reason
 
@GregP you only have to think about those 50 close votes you're going to use today. Tomorrow is another day ... that is what worked for me since 2014 ...
 
user3956566
7:21 AM
oh and I only have 6 delete votes.. disappointing ;)
 
@GregP that's what I told: We are not migrating them, instead closing them. The close reason states "You may be able to get help on Server Fault. " which doesn't mean that if you copy paste the same q there, you'll get an answer or your q will be well received
But yeah, we shouldn't just use that reason for every q
 
user3956566
I understand we're not migrating them Ash, but we should still use close reasons that best fit and I rarely use the reason to go to another site. I have popped into their chats rooms from time to time to ask about questions and you'd be surprised what is on topic
 
user3956566
a lot of these do not have enough info to answer and should be asked at godaddy
 
user3956566
anyway that's a word to the wise Ash, re the other sites
 
Yeah. I agree with that. Never actually visited SF so mostly I'm wrong
I'll use the close reasons more properly tomorrow
 
user3956566
7:24 AM
I'm not intending to be critical or badger you, as I know it can feel like that, just trying to pass on what I've learnt
 
I think the general rule can be: When Crap don't suggest General Computing (SU) or Server adminin (SF)
 
alright. Will do
 
user3956566
Ash have a look at the answers and comments on this meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/311348/… although it's a diff site, it still taught me a lot about how the other sites feel
 
reading..
 
7:36 AM
@AshishAhujaツ I did go over that batch
 
thanks! I'll check the number and post a new batch
also, which batch did you go over @rene? 15 or 16 or 17?
Then I'll change the batch as per that
 
user3956566
I'm part way through my reviews, doing them when having a break from work ;)
 
user3956566
You're doing a good job here Ash and it's excellent you now have close votes!
 
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@AshishAhujaツ 15
 
7:41 AM
@rene ah. Then I'll post a new one with 4 cv count
Batch 19 containing 9 questions with 4 close votes in
ok. I'm out for a few hours now. Lunch time and other work
If you see a big change in number of the batches, just go over to SOCVFinder and create a new batch in the format I make @RO's
 
@AshishAhujaツ sure, thx
 
 
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10:21 AM
@rene same, I voted about 20 with custom reason: "not customer support"'
yesterday
will take another look today
 
user3956566
10:56 AM
ok I've spent my votes for the day all on godaddy
 
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Could anyone go over and review Batch 20? The number 60 has not come down since morning
Batch 22 containing 43 questions in and
 
12:12 PM
meh. The 60 questions has still not come down
@Sam @Frank @rene could one of you review Batch 20? The number of q's in that type of batch has not reduced since morning
 
@AshishAhujaツ spend 10 votes on the one with 1 cv
 
thanks! Kyll is also gonna handle the batch after some time so I think that batch will reduce somehow in some time
 
12:37 PM
Heads up: I removed the godaddy tag from this post as this was still on topic, just didn't need tag
 
@FrankerZ are you sure that shouldn't be closed?
 
Maybe it's server fault? I think the django piece and the code may point otherwise
Either way: Doesn't get a close vote from me
@GregP Why is all your close votes "This is a question for godaddy"? A lot, aren't...they're like .htaccess questions
For example this post
 
ok. I'm out for a while
 
1:04 PM
I've used up my 50 close votes. I've removed the godaddy tag off a few posts that I felt were on topic for the site, but the godaddy tag was unneeded. I'm a bit disappointed to see mass "this should be asked at godaddy" close votes, and I hope that we encourage others not to just blindly close vote everything.
 
1:38 PM
thanks!
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user3956566
2:27 PM
@FrankerZ did you ask gunr or tunaki the same thing? As they used a similar custom close reason for many questions. As I mentioned under the post, an off topic post is off topic, whether of not you agree with the reason and editing out the godaddy tag doesn't make it not suitable for the close queue.
 
user3956566
And the question may be specific to godaddy, as the user wants to know how to implement wordpress with godaddy hosting.
 
So you're saying the off topic reason doesn't matter? Then why does the site bother to even ask us.
 
user3956566
I've edited the tag back in, I'd appreciate it if you left it there and allowed our peers here to also review it.
 
It's not your place to add that tag back in
 
user3956566
pls review @Tunaki @rene
 
user3956566
2:30 PM
@FrankerZ it is, I have a reasonable degree of experience in the subject matter
 
I'm reviewing right now.
What is it?
oh wait, back reading...
 
user3956566
Read up a bit, I'm being called out for using a custom close vote reason
 
On God knows how many posts I've gone though. That was only 1
 
user3956566
Where quite frankly the posts I've voted on with this reason could've been resolved by contacting godaddy
 
If they choose to post on our site (If it's on topic), then I don't see a problem. A lot of these are simply server fault
 
user3956566
2:32 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/8867394/… this question is something that is doen in the godaddy dashboard.
 
user3956566
server fault doesn't want these questions either
 
user3956566
we had this very discussion earlier
 
I didn't vote to close that at server fault
That's on topic for our site without the godaddy tag
 
user3956566
 
I don't see much problem with that custom reason, assuming you use that to prevent that people assume it can go on SF, and no better close reason exist
 
2:34 PM
Reading the question...
 
user3956566
well having used godaddy for years, they provide all the answers to these questions.
 
user3956566
Including many of the asp.net ones
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ It's not on topic, the answers all lie within the godaddy dashboard.
 
user3956566
they have nothing to do with programming
 
Well, I find the question unclear myself....
but that could be because I've never done any Django or godaddy thingy
 
user3956566
2:37 PM
so it becomes potato potahto for the close reason
 
It looks like they have a programming related question but I can't make sense of it.
If I see it in the queue, unclear will be my vote.
 
user3956566
@Tunaki the last one I linked can be managed in the hosting dashboard, redirecting domains, simple
 
meh, at best it is devops but most are just common things not worth a question and covered by the hoster as @GregP points out
 
I'm struggling with this one stackoverflow.com/questions/22359208/…
 
user3956566
@Tunaki I think that needs the godaddy tag removed. I haven't voted on that either
 
user3956566
2:39 PM
it's a difficult tag to remove from the site
 
@Tunaki messaged you on slack
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
@Drew bringing roomb into it under the question is a separate discussion
 
user3956566
also, how is that really relevant to what we're doing?
 
user3956566
2:43 PM
do we leave posts that are going to be roomb'ed? if so can someone coordinate that?
 
user3956566
ok I gotta go back to work
 
user3956566
I only came in here cos I was pinged, so replied
 
Please tell me @GregP how this post warranted the godaddy tag back in, or closing?
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ I already answered that ^^, as the question is relevant to the godaddy hosting and is easily done in the godaddy dashboard
 
user3956566
Are you going to call me out on all my votes and vote reasons? Seriously we're trying to get a job done, I don't appreciate the nitpicking.
 
user3956566
2:46 PM
I can have my opinion and it's based on experience with godaddy.
 
user3956566
@Tunaki meet me in slack ;)
 
2 slacks... alright...
wait, 3...
 
user3956566
@Tunaki meh I'm done there I will wait to you come in. trying to sort out a error
 
Hmm what do you think about that one stackoverflow.com/questions/8867394/… @rene? The fact that it was tagged godaddy doesn't exclude that non-godaddy specific answer can be made
 
Woot! The total number of posts in [godaddy] with cv's has finally reduced to 52
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3:00 PM
@Tunaki Hmm, with or without the tag I think it is off-topic. As long as its get closed, it is OK.
 
@GregP I said I was wrong about that question
 
@rene Isn't it a "standard" .htaccess question? I guess it can fit on SF but I don't see it off-topic as per meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/283033/…
 
I frankly don't even think godaddy ought to be burned. No more or no less than firebase or aws
 
user3956566
@Drew I actually agree
 
But to say "go say that on Meta" knowing you will be mowed over by the circus frenzy, blah
 
user3956566
3:03 PM
which is why I asked for an embargo burnination, but that wasn't going to work
 
user3956566
well I did post on meta and it was downvoted, and I deleted. no point really
 
But why @Drew does that question need to be removed?
 
which is why I want most burns off socvr, so real work can be performed imo for tag's of interest for people. Not 5 days focusing on corners for gosh sake
@FrankerZ the one that I said I was wrong on
 
user3956566
I see the difficulty we are going to have with optopic questions, where godaddy is a relevant piece of info, but then we just remove the tag and leave it in the question
 
Yeah
 
3:05 PM
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user3956566
@Drew yep not a bad idea, the room is under so much pressure which is partly why I left. Hard to keep up with hey
 
@Tunaki maybe we need to find a dupe then instead, we can leverage dupe hammers then
 
and partly why I got banned for biatching about it
 
user3956566
@Drew banned from where?
 
@GregP chat
 
3:06 PM
I got lippy with Braiam
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ I may seem harsh, it's just hard to take criticism when we're all doing our best here and there's not much joy in it.
 
user3956566
did you get banned?
 
user3956566
I didn't see that
 
it was momentary. A cool off
 
@GregP 90 mins only
 
user3956566
3:08 PM
@AshishAhujaツ how do you know all these things ;)
 
user3956566
@Drew meh I got a life time bad off SE lol (well 20 years)
 
user3956566
90 mins is nothing
 
user3956566
I don't know how rene hasn't kicked me from socvr yet ;) @rene
 
@FrankerZ to answer your question, this one has no business on this site stackoverflow.com/q/24219752 imo
@GregP you haven't worked hard enough at it
 
@GregP The whole system is bugged with my cameras :p
 
3:10 PM
agree with you @Drew for that question
 
@Drew It's a guy trying to integrate a custom html/css into wordpress
 
user3956566
@Drew I used to dance on the tightrope, which is that fine line, but have stopped doing it. Figured I needed to keep my own stresses to myself and stop hounding poor rene
 
look at the quality of the question and off-topic-ness
it is cuz I want rene not to have more stresses that I created campaigns and suggested this room
 
As I mentioned to Tunaki: I'm going to be taking a break from this Burn, as it's a bit too frustrating. I do believe my edits were correct, and I think editing them back in, is a spit in my face. You want to discuss, then let's discuss.
 
@FrankerZ that is too personal come now
 
user3956566
3:12 PM
@FrankerZ there's different ways to deploy such with different hosting. (don't ask me why I know so much about wordpress.. where's Tinygiant?)
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ You edited my call on them and I'm not saying that's a spit in the face
 
there is simply no reason to pull that card on 1 question in 2k
 
user3956566
I've been on the site longer (i've been around 4 years) and have some experience here
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ godaddy is relevant, when deploying a wordpress site. Each host is relevant and it's also off topic for the site.
 
There are several posts which I do believe could fit into the site, like this one.
 
3:14 PM
we don't need to have 1 guy in a small pool of people trying to clean stuff in the face of no rep increase for doing so ... to get all upset about 1 question
If you figure out how to do that, let me know. I fail there constantly
 
user3956566
Now see it from my point of view. I voted in good faith, made a custom vote reason and you came in and disagreed with me. So can I say you're spitting in my face? no I don't think so. I think we disagree. And as the higher rep user I'm pulling rank. Which can and does happen
 
user3956566
@Drew precisely! which is why I got upset, doing it for naught and we don't like being picked at for doing so.
 
I don't think the higher rep argument really holds.
Or else.
I demand that you all bow to ME!
 
user3956566
@Tunaki hey it happens!
 
Perhaps the link about from FZ is a suggestion once again why godaddy needs to stay as a tag
 
user3956566
3:16 PM
remember Mitch LOLOL
 
and I dont thing gd as a tag should go
 
user3956566
never tell a higher rep user you're flagging them LOL
 
Sam
@FrankerZ I think it would've been best to bring this up on meta.
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ you've got a softer heart than most here. I notice that with wanting to give people a chance to edit and improve things. I've seen that in socvr
 
ok let's move on to delete votes now
 
Sam
3:17 PM
Granted, the burnination has already started...
 
I can get all high and mighty at times. But truth be told, sometimes the guy with 101 rep is right on some things
 
user3956566
That's not a bad thing, but most here have harder minds when making judgements.
 
user3956566
@Drew of course!
 
user3956566
ok I got run my code ;)
 
user3956566
@FrankerZ not spitting in your face, will make a point not to edit out any more of your edits ;) Also respect my right to have my opinion also ;)
 
3:19 PM
@Greg can we please stop this discussion now?
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I have stopped it, that was my olive branch
 
We need more delete voters. All the one I see, I already voted on.
 
imo we need someone to put together a spreadsheet of 50/day that blow, and have a mod handle it
 
@Drew I can do it, but not for today
Actually, we don't need one. This search does it
 
you browser user you
 
3:25 PM
Tuna found that search. I just reposted it here
 
user3956566
@Tunaki I used all mine earlier on godaddy
 
imo we should not be delete voting. doesnt scale
 
@GregP Then get more rep and have more delete votes!! :)
 
yes, work hard for 2 months so you get 1 more per day !!!
 
user3956566
@Drew totally agree
 
3:26 PM
I could reach 10k, but that isn't anymore possible because they are changing the rep you get from docs :(
 
user3956566
we're agreeable tonight
 
ducks we always agree
 
Does anyone here have 7 or more close votes left?
 
Sam
I do.
 
so could you just review this batch containing reports with 4cvs?
 
Sam
3:29 PM
Sure.
 
this is how godaddy cleanup happens: stackoverflow.com/questions/37413874
 
@Drew screenshot for poor rep peasants?
 
@AshishAhujaツ roomba
 
exercise your self-guided desire for downvotes
I get 100 / week for mysql that way. No impact on anyone. No close votes, no delete votes
 
Sam
3:32 PM
@AshishAhujaツ All closed
 
thanks! I'll revise the batches
 
@Drew A lot have accepted answers
In fact, I think all the ones I voted to delete cannot be roombad
 
some languish for a year
any question that has no answers is subject to poof at day 30.
You need to ask yourself are you doing the right thing
Need to come to peace with yourself and your maker and be fair
 
Well, I am since I only voted on questions with answers so far.
Those that require delete votes to poof.
 
yes
 
3:35 PM
Woah! Now there are only 19 questions with cv's in godaddy
We need someone to seed like 20 q's
 
@Drew The feels 66.media.tumblr.com/cd3f7d774edc8218a595775661fd5141/… C3PO reunited with his maker
@AshishAhujaツ yes I just hit "no more questions"
 
and... those ones have 1 or 2 votes on them
 
Looks like I will have to revise all the batches
Batch 27 containing 19 questions in
afk
 
I spent another 30 delete votes on questions that will not be roombad.
Helpz...
 
user3956566
@Tunaki need to answer questions, dam I get 6 votes a day
 
3:51 PM
we have 59 deleted and 324 closed
current net open is like 1319
so we have 324 closed that a mod's special attention would be swell
how do we scale that without a mod
 
user3956566
pinged undo
 
Well, could anyone go and seed some [godaddy] questions? We're running out of them.
 
we dont need more seeded. We need it deleted
we need us to focus on our tags of interest like java and droid
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I'm not sure what you mean by seeded?
 
@Drew yeah, but <10k users can't delete vote, so they can at least go and seed some questions which can then be closed
 
3:57 PM
we cant have us forsake that which we specialize in so we do this silly bug hunt
just so the next guy goes to meta all excited about the next thing
 
@GregP cv-seeding; I mean to say that a user goes through the [godaddy] q's, and cv's on them, especially with those have 0 cvs. So then I can add them to a batch and bring them to attention fro closing
 
user3956566
@AshishAhujaツ I filter my search results in the close vote queue by godaddy tag
 
user3956566
I also use the script that tinygiant wrote
 
we have real problems in real tags. We should not be subject to someone bored and wanting to go to meta about some slam dunk
this is silly
 
@GregP yeah, but that is closing q's with cvs already. Right now, there are hardly any q's with cv's, so someone needs to go and cv on those q's which have 0 cvs
 
4:00 PM
@AshishAhujaツ you are missing the point. We have a whole wadd sitting there
We lack the resources to do anything, at the expense of real problems like java until mid september
 
@Drew this room is for the [godaddy] burnination...
 
user3956566
@TylerH note the name cough cough ;)
 
this room is for pulling resources off of real issues
 
there's no need to antagonize others @Drew
 
user3956566
@TylerH waffle
 
4:02 PM
if you don't want to participate then you don't have to, but poopooing on others' efforts to clean up the site is not constructive
 
@Drew so what should we do? we need to bunrinate the tag don't we?
 
I run bots to help with this
I suggest a mod helps
 
user3956566
@TylerH yeh we're basically using our daily quota of close votes and delete votes on the tag and discussing it in here. Welcome ;)
 
@TylerH I burn way much more effort than you do
 
user3956566
we have a mod visiting shortly @Drew
 
4:04 PM
@GregP shortly? Undo's already here
 
user3956566
I really didn't see undo slip in
 
user3956566
crikey
 
user3956566
TheLostMind is also coming, so we have two mods then
 
@GregP I'm aware, I am just telling Drew he should stop antagonizing us
@Drew so go do that instead of telling people here they are wasting their time please
 
I am not antag anyone
I am a strategist
 
user3956566
4:06 PM
well Drew's been helping.
 
@Drew if a mod's willing to help, that'll be great. But the problem is, they have bigger problems on their hands, such as the flag queue which is currently at 1100
 
how do you know the size of the mod flag queue?
 
They can figure it out. They can determine what we should do to save us votes, and consider what got them to mod status to begin with
 
he has 1100 pending flags :-P
 
@Tunaki undo had posted in in charcoal just now
 
4:09 PM
oh ok
 
Okay, so what's happening here?
Can't guarantee I can actually help (today is house-cleaning day), but we'll see.
 
@undo We needed some help from the mods in deleting stuff
huh? Where's @Drew?
 
user3956566
@undo in your own time over the next week, if you can assist in deleting closed godaddy posts that won't be roomb'd
 
user3956566
that would be helpful as we have a shortage of delete votes, and I know you're busy, so any help is appreciated, thanks
 
user3956566
@Tunaki slack pls
 
4:16 PM
slacking...
 
Batch 28 containing 33 questions in
@Tunaki I'm going to sleep now. Could you just post a batch if there are any major changes in the number at night?
 
sure
night o/
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind in your own time over the next week, if you can assist in deleting closed godaddy posts that won't be roomb'd (a copy and paste of my request to undo)
 
this is funny, the only on topic godaddy question about the api, and the answer is "I don't use godaddy anymore" stackoverflow.com/q/20294933/792066
 
4:25 PM
@GregP - Yep. I could do that :)
 
user3956566
@Braiam I've used godaddy for years and the only thing they're good for is buying domain names cheap and then transferring them when they're due for renewal, as they charge too much
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind thanks :)
 
anyone knows what language is supposed to be used in that response ^? xml looks bad...
 
user3956566
did you just make a new tag> godaddyapi lol
 
that was something planned meta.stackoverflow.com/a/331961/792066
 
4:30 PM
@Braiam this is just my opinion. We struggle with godaddy and there are useful artifacts. We are the practitioners. We don't seek cheap score. We try to salvage the content that may help the next guy. Sure, they are far and between. But those are our tags
 
Again, out of the blue, what's your point?
 
We didn't just stumble into this realm. We live it
My point is that it is not your world.
 
user3956566
@Drew we have one, maybe two mods on board ;)
 
"your world"? What world?
 
@GregP that is fine. Maybe B and I get closure
 
4:32 PM
I'm painfully aware of all the content issues, and I am always dedicating at least 15 minutes of my time to think solutions
 
Maybe the people that would otherwise ban me from chat realize the situation
And I am not happy and I wanted to deflect this from socvr
 
without support of the community, doesn't matter how much I push for a solution, nothing will change
 
And deflect from meta. I don't see the point of overwhelming a system of voters on Meta
 
I don't see the point of this conversation...
 
We have very limited resources and those interested in doing anything
You can flag. You did it before.
 
4:36 PM
I did absolutely nothing
stop with your delusions
@TheLostMind you have my permission to provide Drew with any information about my flagging history relevant to the godaddy mess
 
Well then I stand corrected and I apologize @Braiam
But it seems odd, that I am trying to send bots to solve this gd crisis
There is nothing wrong with this tag more than others like firebase
But We seem so hell bent on crushing it
Because why, cuz a ton of people in the circus of meta don't like it and want points
Do I think the tag is full of junk questions, sure. But dont burn it
 
Let us avoid to draw conclusions too early. This tag was requested for burnination, lots of people agreed and, now, yeah, only a handful of them are actually doing the work. But is there an issue? Let's see how things play out, how much time it takes, how many people were involved, etc.
 
@Tunaki this burn request is subject to meta circus. No one wants to stand in the way of a moving train. So we do it anyway
Which by the way I suggested 1 month before it began. An it was said in socvr that it would not happen
 
and @rene sounded quizzical as to why it began.
 
4:48 PM
I have no idea why it was featured and who requested it.
 
I am not happy why socvr pulled this in and that is why I tried to deflect it from socvr
I think the transcript reflects that fact going back 3 weeks
 
Post wasn't going to stay featured for a month. Someone needs to step in and act.
Nobody came forward, and this isn't really linked to SOCVR, although most people active here are also active in SOCVR.
 
No someone doesn't . I have said for 5 months why socvr does not need to be the surregate for burn. You do it anyway
You are allowed to disagree. It kills all our other efforts
 
It does yes.
 
We are so overloaded
And I know you. You have a kind heart. Your sprinkle all your stuff to other tags.
But what does that do to all those in Java. Sot
We are so unable to do anything in maven and java and blah.
 
4:55 PM
I don't disagree Drew.
And that's not counting the hundreds of tool rec that are bumped by new answers.
And that I have to ignore.
 
and we wanted cv mods aka david arenburg
there are huge other stuff we ignore
I want Tuna to be a cv mod
not a gd cv guy
I totally don't understand why Tuna is not cv mod
 
user3956566
5:54 PM
what's a cv mod @Drew?
 
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