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6:34 AM
@TimWolla Here again, opinions may vary. A common complaint is that the list is too high-volume, and replying to multiple points in one message rather than quickly firing off half a dozen one sentence emails is something I've definitely seen actively encouraged
It's only really a problem in my view when a sub-thread has drifted off-topic, such that it would have a different audience, who won't see (or won't be interested in the rest of) the combined reply
I think there may be a fundamental difference in mental model here though: you seem to view each message as having a specific recipient, with the list allowing others to join in; I see most messages as being addressed to the list as a whole, building on all the previous messages in the thread
That's why I asked for guidance on when to trim the recipients and when not - my default behaviour would only give you a "courtesy copy" if there was some reason I specifically wanted your attention, not just because your text was quoted in my message; because I assume that if you're interested in the topic, you'll be following the thread, and if you're not, your previous messages have been contributed for others to think about
@TimWolla all that said, I agree that some tips on how to effectively use GMail's web UI with a high volume list would be useful, and not always using it's default reply box is a valid one
 
 
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12:56 PM
@girgias So, I figured out what is gnawing me for the autoloader classmap idea. i) it requires generating a file, which means most people aren't going to use it in dev, and a lot of people won't use it in prod either, as they use preloading.
ii) It's an X/Y thing. Just starting from idea of a classmap probably isn't the right place to start. If the discussion starts with "how can we make the autoloader faster in general?", then making the API smarter could be an answer...
e.g. autoload_register_class_namespace(callable $callback, string $namespace, bool $prepend = false) to be called with just the namespace you're interested in....
That would need a feedback from the composer people, who might have their own ideas about a smarter API.
 
composer itself does generate such a class map though, and it would only need to do (something alike to) 'auto_load_register_classmap("/generated-file.php");' and then setup an autoload for things that are not in the classmap for locally developed files.
 
Right, as Derick pointed out the data is already there, we just needed a way for the engine to take advantage of it without having to make a function call back into userland for every include.
 
2:03 PM
Does anybody know where the source code/issue tracker of the pear/pecl installer is?
 
 
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3:38 PM
Happy Friday All!
 
 
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5:21 PM
@TimWolla Thanks for the ping, should be fixed now.
 
5:57 PM
@IMSoP I definitely agree with the "that's likely personal preference" part. My primary mailing list experience comes from the HAProxy list, where many participants also participate on the Linux kernel list. For the latter the “courtesy copy” effectively is a must, due to the sheer volume, so that likely translates into expectations on the HAProxy list. Personally I try to adapt to “whatever the others are doing”, so I don't strongly care either way, but have a preference for “courtesy copy”.
Regarding the “high volume” part, that's also something that is mentioned in Danack's docs. However I don't follow that argument: I'd rather read 4 emails with 50 words each, than one email with 200 words. The total "volume" of words is identical, but the former allows me to independently mark 3 of the 4 emails as read when they are entirely clear and I don't have anything further to add. In other words, it allows me to digest the parts piecemeal.
@IMSoP So it's probably not so much "specific recipient", but "specific narrow topic" and that also circles back to the "different sub-threads". For an RFC discussion, I might point out that an example is unclear in one subthread and of course I'm interested in the clarification (thus courtesy copy). Others might be busy discussing some oversight in a different subthread and thus might want to focus their attention on that aspect for now (e.g. due to time constraints) …
… and thus don't currently care about the example that I found unclear.
Neither is off-topic within an RFC discussion, it's different aspects that are of interest to different participants at a given time, but each "group" might read the other subthreads later on a rainy sunday afternoon or so.
 

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