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2:40 AM
> Unfortunately, too many devs don't read the docs, and why
would they, if they now how stuff works.
is a rather spectacular definition of "knowing"
 
I mean, docs are a pretty good reference, even with knowing stuff.
I have the memory of someone with ADHD. Docs help me remember stuff.
(case in point, I regularly forget the difference between covariance and contravariance, and I wrote the bloody PHP doc, at least the initial piece. But I stuck a sentence in the doc that made the difference very clear, and I regularly look it up when I'm trying to remember)
 
2:57 AM
It's been a while since I've thought about patterns, and classification of OOP code
 
covariance : return type : more specific
contravariance : parameter type : less specific
(r11 has become a post-it note for me)
 
as it should
@Tiffany but er, is it something I should be thinking about like more than once every few months when some of y'all are arguing about it, or is it mostly language theory? Like, SRP is actionnable, to a degree. I don't think I've ever created such a type system that I'd butt heads with the return types in a meaningful, or rather rememberable, way.
it is also possible to surmise that, if it did happen, I most certainly got lazy about it and cut some corners simplified things cough cough
I think my question is more like, how does it help you? :)
 
3:42 AM
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier I guess it depends how elaborate the class hierarchy is of the code base you work in. I have encountered real examples of it in code at work. Most of the time, it's probably me bragging because I lack self-esteem and bragging is a coping mechanism, but, there have been a handful of times it was relevant.
 
 
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6:41 AM
@StatikStasis after talking with other people and allowing myself time to process, you're correct that it was legal within the word of the law. I'm still angry at what happened, and I'm upset at the morality of it. He wouldn't have been convicted based on the charges raised. But yeah, everything else surrounding it is just :|
 
6:51 AM
I'm annoyed and emotionally tired. (also a bit physically tired, but that I can fix easily.)
 
 
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I'm not sure whether I should load a template outside some core/logic classes or not.
Here's some brief examples on what I mean https://pastebin.com/5nBauXrS
 
@Crell Yes, and boiling the planet will get rid of us, but the Earth will recover... so that's working then, right :-)
 
 
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Wes
12:49 PM
@PeeHaa i am reading this story, how true is it? it's behind paywall and also in dutch. jos verstappen said that lewis hamilton only beat max verstappen because he was on drugs, and now everybody in netherlands thinks that's true. why are sport fans so nuts in the netherlands?
 
1:14 PM
Am I the only one who would like to get rid of ZEND_HASH_FOREACH_END() macros (and replace the ZEND_HASH_FOREACH() macros by some comma operator hell so that these can be followed by a simple {})?
 
@Wes I didn't hear about that, but generally speaking anything coming from Jos is assumed to be retarted
 
1:33 PM
@NikiC regarding https://wiki.php.net/rfc/github_issues, should "Triage and Categorization" be done by core team, or should there be a "Triage team" that is in charge of taking the first glance and cleaning up issues?

because IMO, there will be much more issues opened in GH compared to bugs.php.net reports, and it will kinda draining for some people to keep labeling/closing issues.
 
2:13 PM
@SaifEddinGmati We'll see
Really depends on volume whether that needs dedicated people or not
 
2:28 PM
@SaifEddinGmati I think a couple people volunteering to triage is not a problem should the need arise … but as Nikita says, we'll see.
 
 
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4:10 PM
@Tiffany "but that I can fix easily" said literally no nerd ever (: <3
 
Wes
@PeeHaa F1 is like WWE now
they are literally changing rules race by race just so that the fight to the championship stays open up until the end
 
5:12 PM
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier XD immediately after I went to bed, but my alarm went off about five hours later. I got a little bit extra sleep between then and when I got up but that will have to be enough for the day.
 
 
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7:34 PM
arrays...arrays are the bane of me, forevermore...
 
8:09 PM
Arrays are both one of the most useful features of PHP and one of the worst.
 
 
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11:08 PM
@Trowski magnificently terrible
 

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