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12:00 AM
I'm surprised you went straight for PHP 8.0, and not even 7.4 as an intermediate step
 
@Danack I was just about to link nypost.com/2020/09/16/… :)
 
Even got the right hair....
 
@Girgias Avoiding the need to update twice … and apart from a few deprecations which generally didn't affect us or were upgraded to warning in PHP 8, there's nothing which 7.4 is superior for
In the worst case we're going to have two "bad" periods with some bugs
instead of one single "bad" period of time with slightly more bugs
but obviously we tested on staging first
 
No idea, but in that case wouldn't it have been better to update to PHP 7.1 when that came out, same for 7.2, 7.3, and 7.4?
I would imagine you didn't just yolo upgraded to PHP 8.0 on production without any testing :')
 
@Girgias well… that would have been four "bad" periods :-)
 
12:06 AM
Would it tho? I have no clue like I said as I never work on anything bigger than... my weird solo projects, but I would imagine doing it incrementally would make them less bad and you'd find stuff to "fix" earlier
 
> less bad
 
@Girgias yes, the number of possible issues is less… But it's better to have once a couple more issues
 
Fair fair then
 
business people wouldn't see it like that.....it's 'omg we're having downtime every year' vs 'oh, down time once every four years'.
 
yeah sort of… we upgraded now because we anyway upgraded the machine to 20.04
 
12:27 AM
@Danack Getting a 503.
 
which one? They all work for me...
 
12:45 AM
@Danack Wait, it's the same guy?
 
@LeviMorrison looks like it github.com/Marak/faker.js/issues/1046#issuecomment-725395181 He says "it isn't what it looks like".
from peehaa's link:
> Investigators also found suspected ammonium nitrate and wick cords used for fuses.
 
1:04 AM
Worth noting the article was from September and he ended development this month. Bomb squad would've been before
But does seem like the same guy
 
@Danack yeah he commented about story.
 
Without wanting to speculate too wildly, I suspect there was some 'interesting' stuff on his computers, and as he was involved in a hosting company, they probably are hosting some interesting stuff, connected to other people the FBI would be very interested in having a chat with. If only on the grounds that having charges you could bring against people is a very useful tool for getting them to co-operate in future.
No one has any sane reason to have ammonium nitrate inside an apartment in a city. Combine that with also having fuses around is......yikes.
 
1:19 AM
Can you use PHP well? It's too bad now! ・ *General Issues ・ #80379
 
@Jeeves QQ moar
@Linus Okay....so there's this thing, where when people have been caught with bomb making equipment, you can kind of assume that they are going to lie about what they have been up to.
@Jeeves @salathe fyi the bug above appears to be someone anonymously transferring a username/password for an unknown service.
aka the body text was to disguise the patch which was the actual content.
 
@Danack agree.
 
 
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4:46 AM
is the procedural approach in PHP while connecting to the database good?
 
Jpv
4:57 AM
@TGHimanshu you will find that Object Oriented ( OOP ) helps you build much more extendable, reusable, maintainable, and organized applications.
 
 
2 hours later…
Wes
6:48 AM
mornings
 
7:25 AM
morns
 
7:47 AM
@Linus friends don't share AMP urls.
 
Wes
what's a amp url?
 
as in google amp
the stupid not-quite-html thing
 
Wes
oh
 
that thing where they claim to just want faster pages, but then claim that the only way to do that is to load a bunch of javascript from a google controlled domain, and deliberately delay rendering of the page if you dare to block said JS.
 
Wes
is this thing popular? i've heard of it, but never seen it in practice until now
 
7:54 AM
popular, or common ?
a head cold is common but that doesn't mean it's popular
for a non-insignificant amount of time, google "forcefully encouraged" a lot of sites to adopt AMP, because only sites supporting AMP would appear in the little "carousel" thing above regular search results.
 
Wes
ugh
i bet a lot of SEO people rushed to implement that
 
the next step is they want to allow pre-signed pages to present as another domain
so e.g. your site is example.com, when someone hits a search result from google , their address bar changes to show "https://example.com/whatever" but the result is served entirely from a google cache, on google servers
because what could possibly go wrong with an ad company doing a MITM on your request.
stuff like this is why my response to most google 'announcements', and the response from fanboys to said announcements is usually just this:
 
Wes
lol
 
8:35 AM
@MateKocsis Somehow, I don't see your last commit
 
9:12 AM
@Stephen never heard of that, how did you figure out that?
 
@Linus it's a pretty common pattern for sites to either use an amp. subdomain, or include /amp/ in the path somewhere
well that, and it just renders a blank page for me, because my content blocker has an entry for the amp JS
 
@Stephen oh :P , I shared that url from mobile chat didn't notice that. If amp url are problem will not share in future.
 
@MateKocsis I think you pushed your changed to github rather than git.php.net
 
@Linus I mean it's not hard to change it (for the person following the link) but IMO it's a courtesy thing
 
@Stephen ah will remember that for future,and sorry for that.
 
9:28 AM
Is there an upcoming american holiday or something? Seeing alot of attacks on our servers coming from DigialOcean/Amazon/Google Cloud/.. instances, which normally only happens around holidays.. :<
 
Cannot access numeric property in ArrayObject ・ *Programming Data Structures ・ #80380
 
nvm.. guess one or more hacker groups ready their botnets for black friday
 
9:44 AM
New PlayStation is release today I think
Or preorders for it anyway. Several coworkers are apparently waiting in long queues on a number of sites and trying to find the most obscure sites they can that might stock it
 
@GabrielCaruso Are you going to announce 8.0.0, or Sara?
(not roll, announce)
 
@Derick Today me, next week her
 
OK, then I'm sending my email suggesting that she does it in her morning
 
@AllenJB might be an option too, preparations for typical DDoS on Console release. Hmm.. let's see what the news say in 2-4 weeks.
 
@Derick Okay. I'll open a PR document that as well, I really didn't know that, otherwise I'd do it :)
 
9:57 AM
hm sorry?
 
Johnyxnw ・ *General Issues ・ #80381
 
Documenting the X.0.0 should be branched from the last RC
At least that was what I understood
 
oh right, yes.
 
10:21 AM
返回值问题 ・ *Programming Data Structures ・ #80382
 
Gonna start the RC5 announcement
 
11:22 AM
is there not a standard RC announcement title? this last one reads different than previous ones :-)
 
cmb
@Ekin the title shouldn't say "announce", @GabrielCaruso
 
Wes
11:39 AM
@Trowski i forgot if i pinged you about this already... chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11?m=50904713#50904713
 
Ma bad, it should say "PHP 8.0.0 Release Candidate 5 available for testing"
Copy and pasta from the email
 
Wes
and also related, how do you like $result = yield Amp\Promise\first($myTaskPromise, timeout(30 * 1000));
 
Hi there! Anyone can suggest me a good guide or give me some tips to implement firebase auth in slim php? I'm using Tuupola JWT middleware, I've found an interesting question here on SO, and I've started the implementation. I'm using heroku and the front-end will be managed by vue app running in a chrome extension.
I need to understand if I need to implement the javascript SDK in client side to make things working on PHP back end
This point is still unclear for me
 
Wes
i don't know if there are better ways to do that
 
@Wes I think I'd rather have something that throws a TimeoutException, timeouts are exceptional events
personally
 
Wes
11:44 AM
also if timeout occurs $myTaskPromise should not continue running indefinitely
 
yeh, you would cancel the task in the catch block
 
@DaveRandom \Amp\timeout actually does throw
 
oh cool then yes @Wes
 
Wes
@bwoebi oh lol i was trying to implement that myself
 
@Trowski will we be able to somehow inspect the fiber traces from the outside? Or in general, being able to have a holistic view which fibers are currently active - just like you can do a thread stacktrace dump in e.g. java (e.g. to debug deadlocks)
 
12:14 PM
And there start appearing the bugs thanks to "" != 0 :-/
 
12:27 PM
Should have tested RCs then ;-)
 
cmb
github.com/php/php-src/pull/3917 may still be helpful
 
@Derick the problem is that we have a lot of … manually tested code :-)
sure we did tests, but we won't catch anything a little more hidden
 
1:14 PM
Happy Friday all!
 
cmb
isn't it Wednesday?
 
It's Friday somewhere in the world
 
cmb
ah, right
 
Wes
@PeeHaa you are in denial
 
Morning
 
1:27 PM
@Wes :P
How's life there @Wes? I saw the Italy is once again and/or still utterly fucked corona-wise.
 
Wes
i blame schools
nothing major changed between summer and autumn, except they opened schools
i can see kids when they leave the schools near the bus stop, no masks, not giving a damn 100%
 
For us in Utah, USA, college kids are the worst group.
 
Wes
as i am a former kid, i think they want to get schools closed on purpose by spreading the virus
college kids understand the severity and not necessarily hate going to school, i think. for me it's young teens
 
@Wes I think they have heard it doesn't affect them as much and well... they're kids. I did a lot of dumb stuff when I was a kid, teenager, young adult. It comes with the territory.
 
Wes
when i go get groceries i see them, no fucks given
they should just do school from home. i don't know why they oppose it so much
 
1:45 PM
Some kids are not doing very well with home school. It makes it harder for them to engage.
Some handle it fine.
When you have so much money that your yacht has a yacht. i.imgur.com/d8xF6RJ.png
 
Wes
that looks like from a videogame lol
 
It's a concept render of a yacht that resembles a shark.
mako I would assume
 
My colleague encounter this link error compiling a PHP extension (blackfire) for PHP 8 under Windows.

Standard output at step nmake:
Creating library C:\blackfire\php80_nts_vs16_x64\probe\x64\Release\php_blackfire.lib and object C:\blackfire\php80_nts_vs16_x64\probe\x64\Release\php_blackfire.exp
blackfire_curl.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol curl_ce referenced in function zif_bf_curl_setopt@@16
blackfire_curl.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol curl_multi_ce referenced in function zif_bf_curl_multi_info_read@@16
 
@StatikStasis it also resembles a harbour. Because if your mega yacht is to big to fit, or can't find a berth in the place you want to go, it has to wait outside the harbour, while you normal yacht takes you to and from the port. Which means you would be exposed to big waves when transferring to and from big to little.
 
cmb
@PatrickAllaert you may just need to nmake clean
 
1:56 PM
Or fresh checkout if that doesn't work.....it sounds like it's using some compiled code that expects to use php's curl binding, but then curl isn't actually available...
also, E_TOO_MANY_APMS
 
being in a CI automated build, the checkout build is "fresh", no previous compilation could interfere
 
Is there a 'blackfire depends on curl' setting in extension?
 
@Danack how to "provide" curl at linking then? is this a config.w32 thing? I'm really a newbie when it comes to VS/Windows
@Danack soft depending on it, yes
 
'soft depending on it' - er....go on? normally you either depend on it or not....if the code can compile without it, there should be some ifdef's around the particular function that stop that function from being compiled if curl is not available.
......hang on, am I providing technical support for a commercial company?
 
cmb
that looks like the blackfire extension wants a recent PHP 8.0 curl (the missing symbols are due to resource to object conversion)
are you doing an in-tree build of the extension (i.e. do you compile the full PHP)?
 
2:06 PM
@Danack I am a human, not a bot
@cmb no, not in tree
 
cmb
then you may need to use a newer devel-pack
ugh, probably not, if the headers are up-to-date
 
yes, the file is there and is indeed at the most recent version (lot of changes in that one actually as it is now very small) (many things made private, but curl_ce / curl_multi_ce aren't)
 
cmb
@PatrickAllaert ah, that declspec "dance" isn't quite right; needs to be more like this
 
by depending, you mean in config.w32:
`ADD_EXTENSION_DEP(..., "ext");`
 
cmb
is there any OSS ext which relies on curl, so I could test
 
2:16 PM
@cmb I think the elastic search APM does, and they were meant to be putting that somewhere....I'll have a quick look.
 
@cmb none that I think of
 
@cmb Looks like this could be generically solved introducing a macro that would consistently to that check
 
cmb
2:51 PM
@PatrickAllaert could you check github.com/php/php-src/pull/6438?
 
Will ask one to test, can't do it myself.
May take some days before we get there.
I'll post the result in the PR, right?
@Sara yumm =)
 
cmb
Yes, posting the results to the PR would be fine.
 
Someone feel like pushing the button on docs? github.com/php/doc-en/pull/188
 
Do you not have commit access to phpdoc?
I mean. I can merge this. But I'd rather we get you karma.
It's unconscionable that you don't have it.
Oh ffs. master.php.net doesn't support TLS 1.2?
 
cmb
3:04 PM
@Sara reported to systems@ some weeks ago; as usual, no response :(
 
:~(
 
cmb
I'm currently reviewing @Crell's doc patch. :)
 
@Crell Going through it also to comment on it
 
@Sara I have docs commit karma, but I am religiously opposed to merging one's own PRs.
Also, I've not touched SVN in about 14 years. :-)
@Girgias sigh.gif. Moar feedback!
 
On point 1: No. Merge your own stuff. Yay for getting a CR from others. But don't make people do your work for you.
On point 2: Yeah, that's a fair point.
Also... where tf IS the karma/avail file these days?
 
3:08 PM
Sep 16 '19 at 13:43, by salathe
@ircmaxell http://svn.php.net/repository/SVNROOT/global_avail
 
where it was before, in SVN
 
IT'S IN FARKING SVN?!
My god.
 
happy to sort it btw
actually no, I won't do that
Because, he already has access
 
@Derick He's already got karma, so that's not needed, but if you know how to update master.php.net to support TLS 1.2 that'd be swell.
 
yeah lol
ain't touching that
i do have root there though
but it's centos 5.10
 
3:10 PM
maybe … do an OS upgrade? :-D
I just mean… you obviously don't want to stay on centos 5 for an eternity?
 
The list of people who A/ Have access, and B/ Have the wherewithall to do something is.... actually... this paper is blank.
 
you can't upgrade centos 5.10 to the latest
so it's a full new set-up
 
Okay, that's an even shorter list.
Like, I may need imaginary numbers
 
I don't think that means what you think it means
 
3:14 PM
https://ask.sage.co.uk/scripts/ask.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=42278&p_pv=0 read that URL :-S
 
@Crell To be clear; Your contribution is appreciated and loved and you're lovely for providing it. It's just that we've all got day jobs, and you've got the tools. I believe in you.
@Derick The bit about imaginary numbers? No, of course it doesn't. I was taking artistic license.
 
You don't need a license to be artistic.
(and, yes, I had realised)
 
@Crell I've figured out a rather "neat" setup for git to svn
 
Wasn't sure. You're both Dutch AND British. That's a LOT of literalism to squeeze into one suit.
 
@Girgias Do you have it documented somewhere?
 
3:17 PM
@Sara can't be so hard to just set up things anew…? :-D
 
@Crell No... let me make a gist real quick
 
@Sara but maybe that's just the sysadmin in me, who is used to such things … that I'm not believing that it can be so hard
 
@bwoebi Once you've sorted out who's providing the machine, probably. I actually have no idea where it lives. I kind of hope it's a VM sharing metal with other minor sites like qa.php.net
 
it's OSU
most of the minor sites are hosted on Digital Ocean droplets
 
(We're happy to host whatever!)
(If it's the kind of thing we can host, anyway.)
 
3:22 PM
Oh right. OSUOSL
Getting a fresh VM from OSUOSL with a promise of retiring the old one actually shouldn't be too hard.
While PSH's open offer is DEFINITELY appreciated. There's merit in being beholden to as few commercial interests as possible.
 
@Crell gist.github.com/Girgias/be1a31d2baa61ad763d5039289e232e2 (@cmb might find this interesting)
 
Totally fair. It's hard to compete with OSU for free stuff.
@Girgias The tech writer in me notes you forgot to mention moving the patch file, so the paths won't line up, I think.
 
@Crell You don't need to move the patch file, you can just do ../../doc-en/patch-file.diff but maybe I should mention it
 
Funnily, I'm literally saying the same thing at work >right now< to someone worried about PHP support for Windows and if Mongo should chip in.
 
@Crell I didn't think platform did just dedicated hosting with root access?
 
3:28 PM
Yep, you should mention it. :-) That's what I mean about the tech writer in me.
 
@Girgias your CSV extension uses PEAR?!
 
Also... svn update before trying to commit
 
@Derick We don't. It's managed only. But if you want something web-ish and not have to worry about the underling OS, well, then that's what you want.
 
@Tiffany Not that I know of?
 
@Crell That is not what master.php.net wants.
 
3:29 PM
@Derick I think most of our sites don't really need root access. I was able to bring up bugs on PSH's platform without much difficulty.
 
It does all the auth stuff
 
On the PECL page it lists PEAR as a dependency
 
@Danack First world problems indeed. =D
 
Gotcha.
 
bugs could work, but not master
 
3:30 PM
Yeah, I dunno much about the plumbing of master
 
@bwoebi I would probably be able to do something like ReflectionGenerator, though right now Fiber objects aren't exposed at all to user land.
 
Oh God, I just had a dark thought:
"Let's move master.php.net to a new VM!"
**list devolves into an argument about if we should rename it to manage.php.net to avoid the term 'master'**
.
Nothing gets done.
 
cmb
@Sara oh, that would be very welcome!
 
SO no change then.
 
FFS. Don't curse it.
 
3:32 PM
I'm all for moving away from "master" where it is simple and has no dependencies
 
@cmb I thought we had the windows builds sorted on the pecl windows box and it was good. Is it not good?
 
master.php.net is not like that
 
@Derick I give precisely zero fucks, honestly. I've yet to meet a poc who actually cares. ((Not to say they don't exist, but it does have >some< stink of performative wokeness))
 
Yes.
I'm trying to say I'm not against the concept.
 
cmb
@Sara the builds are good (I hope so), but we don't have QA, only few dependency libs have been updated, and PGO does not yet use Wordpress, Symfony etc.
 
3:33 PM
Right.
 
But also don't care enough to go much out of my way to change things.
 
I'd rather we take actual steps to address racism and the legacy of racial slavery in hiring practices and education than make busy work for admins as a pointless gesture.
But I can't say that in public.
 
I just created a new git repo
and was wtf doesn't master work
their new default is "main"
the ffing muscle memory though
 
@cmb So what's needed? Hardware? That's probably fairly simple... probably. Time and effort setting things back up? That's probably harder.
 
I might actually change it back myself
(it's private anyway)
 
3:35 PM
Yeah, muscle memory is a real problem.
 
@Sara A VM with root access, but yeah, rebuilding master without knowing how it was set-up in the first place is going to take ages to get right.
 
cmb
@Sara it's mostly about time (a dedicated machine which would roll snapshot builds would be nice, but is not that important).
 
I'm not going to spend free time on that.
oh, you're talking windows pecl builds, not master now; sorry
 
Yeah, parallel threads, sorry
 
cmb
oh well, we may want to switch to vcpkg for dependencies, but that need to be investigated
 
3:36 PM
@Crell Updated :)
 
cmb
@Derick Windows builds, generally (not particular PECL)
 
btw, mwop had extended a tentative offer early on. I said, "That sounds great!" then he went radio silent. I think he might have died or been kidnapped.
 
he was alive yesterday, he did a php 8 / JIR webinar for Zend
JIT*
 
Well that's good news.
 
cmb
@Girgias that's basically what I'm doing (using Tortoise Git/SVN, though)
also typo: path instead of patch, and commite instead of commit
 
3:38 PM
@Derick did you listen to it?
 
cmb
I assume that Zend is not interested in PHP 8 (yet)
 
@Sara One thing which would be nice to have is that authentication for php.net accounts is handled on a separate domain like auth.php.net so that if other php.net website which require authentication could just OAuth (or something no expert) that domain without needing to know how some of the underlying stuff works... but that's again something different than "just" upgrading the box
 
@NikiC I did. I also asked complicated questions that weren't "selected" for answering
@cmb They were flogging "updating assistence"
 
cmb
@Derick sorry, E_PARSE
 
@cmb Thanks, fixed :)
 
3:41 PM
@cmb They had a commercial going on to sell "updating to PHP 8 assistance"
flogging = "trying to sell something" in British English slang
 
cmb
ah, thanks! Interesting.
 
@Trowski You have too many branches on ext-fiber … :-D
If you have these Continuation like on master, then it's trivial
 
Heh, yeah, we kept trying API ideas.
@bwoebi ReflectionFiber(Continuation)?
 
can someone check if bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=80382 was tagged as spam by accident? I think it contained something useful but I'm not sure
 
@Trowski Yeah, possibly
 
3:49 PM
@bwoebi That definitely works, since it gets me to the Fiber object. It doesn't really work for a list of running fibers though.
 
@Trowski no, but with continuations you can track these internally
Within the loop obviously
 
Yes. The loop is running on a fiber too, though that's more of an internal implementation detail, so would that need reflection?
 
cmb
@Sjon I have re-opened, but I don't think it's useful (likely about missing object type support in PHP 7.1)
 
@Trowski Not really important unless the loop itself is broken :-P
 
cmb
Also, it should be possible to view spam reports without reopening them.
 
3:53 PM
@Trowski And obviously the loop is never broken :-)
 
@cmb thanks, I agree but it's not spam
@cmb yeah logged in users should be able to see spam. The bugtracker leaves a lot to be desired, wasn't someone rewriting it?
 
cmb
somebody suggested, but I think they underestimated the required effort
 
@bwoebi Hehe. I might be able to do something like ReflectionFiber::fromScheduler(FiberScheduler): ?ReflectionFiber.
 
could be interesting as well
 
4:11 PM
@MateKocsis github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/curl/curl_file.stub.php Why do we use $snake_case here?
 
@Girgias What is the new type declaration page of which you speak?
 
4:28 PM
hm. I can link to it, but I think calling out the callable exception inline is still worth it. Everything else is "What you'd expect", except that.
Pushed again, let's see.
 
@LeviMorrison @SammyK did you surrender to the php 5, 7 and 8 gods by copying all code for each version? just reading the release announcement of latest ddtrace :)
 
cmb
5:00 PM
I want to file about docs.php.net not being updated, and now the site is gone ...
sometimes complaining helps :)
 
PhD is not updated on docs.php.net ・ Systems problem ・ #80383
 
5:14 PM
Can't be out of date if it doesn't exist...
I love how email notices for docs notes always come in pairs: One for adding it, then one for @cmb deleting it. :)
 
5:26 PM
@Crell dunno, does "before creation" count as "out of date"? :-P
 
I avoid temporal physics.
 
I know this Japanese restaurant where they do some great tempura physics, delicious
 
I was going to order "Japanese" food for lunch... because what's available here is probably an insult to Japanese chefs...
 
...but...
 
But delivery from Tokyo to Illinois takes a while.
 
5:31 PM
@DaveRandom no real actual but... just debating on it, but I think I might
 
there was a story about led zep or someone like that where they had curry flown over to a gig in denmark from his favourite takeaway in Bradford or something
there's some bullshit thing about kanye but there's something older, can't find it
 
rockstars
 
but the rock star thing rings a bell, they may have been deliberately breaking a previous record
 
6:00 PM
yeh see that's the equivalent of doing 14 year old boys doing wheelies on their bike because they think that's what girls want
tbf that might be what girls want at that age, I still have no fucking clue even now
 
pulls out TopGear handbrake turn clip
 
Not sure you should be doing 14 year old boys dude
 
ffs
 
indeed
 
was going to write a sarcastic joke but it's just not worth it
 
6:22 PM
<3
 
6:35 PM
19 hours ago, by Danack
oh I found where that new hammer is from - a series of hammers
> This is not only funny but also observant!!!! This video pretty well proves Trump is not the racist and that the demoncraps are really the racists.
well, yikes.
 
Those are some scary impressive hammers my friend
 
@Danack The Magic Roundabout, presumably?
 
wow
hammers are now cancelled.
 
@beberlei Haha. We sure did.
 
6:55 PM
Can a young person tell me what is the difference between "NVIDIA STUDIO DRIVER" and "GEFORCE GAME READY DRIVER - WHQL" and which one do I want use to update my existing nvidia drivers...
 
Hm. OK, never mind, I was going to share that hammer link but not now.
 
Double hooker aka PHP
 
@Danack I guess you want to download just the driver instead and not whatever bullshit app nvidea gives you :)
 
@bwoebi I added a ReflectionFiber class, though I'm not really getting the output I expected from the methods. zend_fiber->exec should be the zend_execute_data that is being executed, but the result from getTrace() is empty. Could you take a look at the branch and see if you know where I'm going wrong?
 
@PeeHaa I'd actually wouldn't mind some of the crap. like someting that can update them from within the 'nvidia control panel'...... but fuond nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/creative-apps/26/296943/…
 
7:04 PM
Good to know
Studio is the less broken one :D
 
@Trowski I don't see anything obvious - needs debugging I guess
 
@bwoebi I think the issue stems from the fact that each fiber is started in it's own opcode that nulls the prev execute data.
 
@Danack Don't have an nVidia card, but IIRC the Studio driver are more stable as they are meant for professional whereas the GAME READY drivers are a bit more cutting edge to support the latest game and stuff
 
@Danack Ugh... context?
 
@NikiC oh, no that was just an oversight :/ Can I still fix it?
 
@MateKocsis don't see why not
 
@NikiC :O I got a new mac, and I must have forgotten about setting the correct upstream URL. :( Do you have any idea how to fix this problem?
 
@Trowski yeah… but that you'd get at least the currently executed frame?
 
Happy to hear! :) I'll provide a PR soon.
 
@PeeHaa apparently I need to create an nvidia account to be able to use the "Geforce experience".
 
7:21 PM
Yep
It's to improve the experience
They start doing that last year I think
 
7:39 PM
guys, I need help. I have a text (about one paragraph) that I need to be recorder as a voice (it's in English). Can someone do a favor and read it and record his sound for me?
 
@NikiC Actually, CURLFile::__construct() has a procedural counterpart, and I can imagine that I unintentionally (or maybe intentionally) went with snake_case. Fortunately, aliasing is not involved, so IMO it's possible to change the parameter names in the OO API. I was only hesitant before, because the casing problem is not a definite bug (unlike the param name in curl_multi_getcontent()).
 
8:02 PM
@bwoebi I guess the zend_execute_data the the fiber points to is not mutated. I had been under the assumption that it was.
 
9:11 PM
ffmpeg -vsync 0 -hwaccel cuvid -hwaccel_output_format cuda -c:v h264_cuvid -i IMG_4582.MOV  -c:a copy -c:v h264_nvenc -preset slow -rc:v vbr_hq -cq:v 4 -b:v 10000k -maxrate:v 20000k -profile:v high IMG_4582_test_output.mp4
It took me five hours to figure out how to use ffmpeg with hardward decoding and encoding, without the output looking like garbage. That is most definitely a backup note.
 
I always stuggle when I need to do something with ffmpeg
 
The nvidia encoders apparently don't use the normal ffmpeg quality settings.....you have to use their custom ones.....
 
Well I got an AMD card so
I don't want to deal with nVidia's shait software where you need to create an account to easily change settings and update driver automatically
 
The video is a test of me walking around my 'block' ....and highly amusingly, my phone locked up after 45 minutes and stopped recording, when I was a few minutes from home.
Is there a way to tell an iphone - if you want to use a bit of battery power to keep warm, go for it? My phone got cold, which drops the voltage the battery can provide.
After getting home with the phone in my pocket for a few minutes, it had recovered to almost 50% power, due to being warmer....
 
I don't think you can do that with any phone lol
 
10:06 PM
@Danack What GPU are you using? The new nvenc on 1650+ are much better
 
@MarkR An nvidia one - Geforce GTX 1060 to be specific. But the issue was that the nvidia encoder silently ignores the quality setting that the ffmpeg manual describes, and also defaults to a quite low bitrate. So the quality was just terrible by default, even though I had 'valid' ffmpeg command to have no noticeable quality drop.
 
@Danack The manual from trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/HWAccelIntro ? I only played about a bit but if there's something in that isn't accurately described im interested in knowing about it for when I have to go back to it
 
@Danack "Just add an option to reenable spacebar heating."
 
i_get_that_reference.jpg
 
I'd be surprised if someone in this chat didn't :)
 
10:31 PM
!!xkcd spacebar
 
Although the Markov chain-style text model is still rudimentary; it recently gave me "Massachusetts Institute of America". Although I have to admit it sounds prestigious.
 
!!xkcd workflow
 
!!xkcd workflow
 
There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.
 
So what, @Jeeves just doesn't like me?
 
10:33 PM
lol
 
cmb
ah, so bugs.php.net/80376 isn't even a bug? ;)
 
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