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12:32 AM
...
 
... wow
That's defacement.
 
Wes
hold on, he voted no on his own poll?
 
1:35 AM
@Wes yes. 4 hours ago
 
Wes
well that was a lot of noise for nothing
 
@Wes yeah. That's why it's so disruptive.
 
1:54 AM
The funny thing is people are saying "internals will have to have this discussion at some point". Like this proposal was any form of a discussion at all.
 
2:34 AM
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2:57 AM
Hello
 
 
1 hour later…
4:11 AM
Great, I just did a clean checkout of PHP 7.4 and get a segmentation fault when it tries to generate phar.php.
>.<
I'm too tired for this; see you in the morning, room.
 
4:49 AM
@Ircmaxell morning
Strong Emphasis is explicitly called out, as feature and language change evaluation should keep in mind the vast majority use-case and not significantly hurt it.
(don't really like the wording, still doesn't read right)
PHP aims to keep rough edges where they exist and aren't sources of common problems.
to aim to keep rough edges is really strange, it should say something like "we are willing to ignore rough edges that do not cause common problems"
and I saw another thing but I can't find it now, I'll read it again when awake properly ... looks good for a draft though ...
wonder what it will look like after Zeev has done editing it ...
"We are willing to ignore rough edges that do not cause common problems, but will seek to remove rough edges where a suitably compatible solution can be found"
seems closer to what we actually do ...
@PeeHaa do t
 
Woot! Back home.
 
Morngins
@JoeWatkins ?
@StatikStasis How was it?
 
I done my own tea, thanks @PeeHaa
 
The best I can do for you is coffee anyway :)
 
I'd rather smoke a crack pipe than drink coffee ... do you have one of those ?
 
5:04 AM
I do
 
but I have to supply the crack ?
 
@PeeHaa Meh. Got to meet up with a friend from Portland and ate some good sushi. Fun!
 
@JoeWatkins I used it for other stuff, but sure if you're really set on the crack bring your own :P
@StatikStasis Sushi is always good
 
@PeeHaa Me and the wife's favorite!
@ircmaxell ...so the battle is over? We won? The Dark Lord will recess back where he came? He did say he will not be responding- yay!
 
@PeeHaa this is the best I can do ...
I have several ...
 
5:11 AM
:-)
 
@StatikStasis not responding, but quite happy to edit the rfc ...
@PeeHaa I remember when it used to come in little bags ...
 
@JoeWatkins I saw that! He is... well... something to say the least.
 
$ /usr/local/php/bin/php -r '$foo = []; echo $foo;'
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
well boo :(
 
what version is that ?
 
You ready for some noob questions @JoeWatkins?
 
5:13 AM
sure
 
Awesome
What things did I do wrong in this simple change github.com/PeeHaa/php-src/commit/… and why?
 
Night guys!
 
Night @StatikStasis
 
Wes
nite
 
the fault is probably a null deref caused by changing
return (try && UNEXPECTED(EG(exception))) ?
				NULL : ZSTR_KNOWN(ZEND_STR_ARRAY_CAPITALIZED);
(that's the only place you return a null)
raise the exception but return the known string, let the engine do whatever it was going to do with it, or, trace what it's going to do with it and stick an EG(exception) block in there ...
do you want me to build it and look, or do you wanna figure it out ?
 
5:17 AM
mornin
 
@JoeWatkins If you can have a look so I can just copy pasta and learn from that instead that would be great
 
Wes
@Sherif === emptyheap ?
gotcha :D
 
I've got an insane idea, let us create a versioned opening tag like <?php8 and further <?php9 keeping compatibility with 2-3 backward versions cause it's easier to parse differently from the beginning than looking for a declares with editions or namespaced directives telling that this is a part of a package and should be parsed or compiled differently. Let's keep the classic <php which is 7.X in a LTS nammer lets say for 10yr with bugfix and security fixes and go ahead with BC changes.
 
@brzuchal I have an insane idea:
 
5:23 AM
diff --git a/Zend/zend_operators.c b/Zend/zend_operators.c
index f1ebb2e5df..0055bd11b7 100644
--- a/Zend/zend_operators.c
+++ b/Zend/zend_operators.c
@@ -566,9 +566,11 @@ try_again:
                        break;
                }
                case IS_ARRAY:
-                       zend_error(E_NOTICE, "Array to string conversion");
+                       if (!EG(exception)) {
+                               zend_throw_error(NULL, "Array can not be converted to string");
+                       }
 
no
 
@PeeHaa
this looks right to me
 
Damnit
Now I am sad I didn't just try that :(
I was looking at that thing
 
you can see how I got there though, you learned already ...
 
\o/
 
5:25 AM
@PeeHaa I told at the beginning it's insane and most of my ideas are weird
 
I know.It's not just insane though, but not really thought out
 
There is so many Z* in ZendEngine source code :(
 
Your thing means you have to change all opening tags with every version in every php file
 
Yes, but that would let parse differently each file regarding it's desired version.
 
Which makes no sense :)
 
5:27 AM
Now we're discussing about package / namespace declares
And that makes more sense?
 
imo no not really
Does it mean you have to have n runtimes installed?
Does it mean the engine has to support n versions?
Both are equally bad
 
So which is simpler: set strict_* = 1 in <?php8 and forget about declares or use declares and namespaced declares?
 
I'd quite like all this talk of P++ and editions, and versioning, and all that shit to just go away for now, this is too much of a distraction, we are about to roll out the most complex feature PHP has ever seen, we don't really need to be focusing on this right now ... when the jit comes, the ecosystem breaks, we have no debugger, no tooling, and not enough knowledge ... we should be doing other things ...
 
@PeeHaa I meant the second that the engine has to support n versions - which mostly would be a separate parser I think - IMO it's better than P++
 
That's terrible
That's worse than puss++
In terms of complexity
 
5:30 AM
I think enough has been said that p++ has been stopped in it's tracks ... we should just switch focus back to normal development, instead of solving problems we don't really have ...
 
@JoeWatkins Is it that bad with the JIT?
Personally, I have no knowledge about JIT and not much on OpCache - I know what it is for but I wouldn't stick a stick in that
 
we can't even debug jit'd code with gdb properly ... yes, it's that bad ... we all stopped talking about it, but the problems raised by big companies like tideways, blackfire and things that big money makers rely on are still not resolved ... xdebug is allowed to work now in the JIT, but as a debugger, it cannot instrument machine code, so can't actually function ...
 
Oh finally Zeev said he won't spend much time on P++ - finally :)
@JoeWatkins a question could be why companies making money won't spend then their money on fixing those problems?
 
@Wes yes
 
@brzuchal there are between one and two people they could pay to fix these problems, and both of them are so busy working on php that you don't even want that ... these companies don't have people, we have the only people ...
 
5:41 AM
Yeah I get it there are not enough people developing PHP
 
BTW the mobile version of SO chat isn't half bad. First time using it.
 
@brzuchal well actually there are, just enough ... we actually had a plan, to merge the JIT into PHP 8 and give ourselves 18 months to learn about it ... we need to stick to the plan ... we need this time, we can't afford to spend it on anything else ...
everything important has a maintainer, they just need to be given time, they don't need PHP 8 to be complicated further, with anything ...
 
@JoeWatkins Well it's not like we ever over-complicated PHP so much that we had to delete an entire branch of development or anything like that.
 
haha
 
So obviously that can never happen
 
5:52 AM
if we have any problems worth solving right now, it's that a single contributor almost entirely derailed the development of php for a whole week ... our processes allowed that to happen ...
we should not waste any more weeks, and it should not be possible for z or anyone else to waste them either ...
 
6:03 AM
/usr/local/php/bin/php -r '$foo = []; echo $foo;'

Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Array can not be converted to string in Command line code:1
Stack trace:
#0 {main}
  thrown in Command line code on line 1
\o/
Thanks @JoeWatkins <3
 
Now to fix 1000 tests
 
I think you mean spend 5 hours trying to automate fixing the tests, and then another 5 manually fixing the tests ...
 
I am somewhat confident it's easy to automate
:P
See you in 10 hours!
 
of course, after all you are a programmer ...
see you in 10 ...
oh @PeeHaa, nit, before you fix all those tests ...
"cannot"
 
6:10 AM
Right
Also should it be more general Arrays instead of array?
 
no Array is correct (and consistent with others)
 
kk tnx
 
w
@PeeHaa actually the other exception uses "could not" ...
 
Will keep it consistent
 
6:26 AM
@JoeWatkins Looks like my tea
 
@Derick it looks like there is no water inside
 
tea isn't made just of water
 
who else wants to put their name on that ?
 
@Derick pretty sure it's not made of pot either :P
 
@JoeWatkins Can I?
 
6:33 AM
yes, comment with your name as you want it shown
 
@JoeWatkins wow, strong and nice
I agree with your opinion, but my name on it wouldn't mean anything special
 
Done
 
@brzuchal yours means as much as mine ...
 
@JoeWatkins Ok, then. I'm on it
Nothing to loose
 
This will be sent to Z, comment with your name if you want it to be included ...
 
6:48 AM
the biggest german tech news is writing about p++ now. :-(
@JoeWatkins what does "should have been asked and answered via our communications channel." mean? that could mean internals list as well
 
our communications channel is only internals ...
 
or does inserted document mean the P++ FAQ?
 
yes
 
@JoeWatkins I agree with the text, but do not prefer my name to be under it (to preserve the peace)
 
I think it's important to speak as one, when we all clearly agree, and so much harm is being done ... but understand your position ...
 
6:56 AM
If @beberlei needs to ask, better make it explicit @JoeWatkins ?
I got to run, stopping Brexit and stuff.
 
he added it already :)
 
k, sounds rough, lata
 
Another noob question @JoeWatkins. Now that the array to string fatals I have to split those erros out from tests into separate tests right (for the rest of the tests to still continue running)? Is there a specific naming convention for those split out fatals?
 
I see _variation a lot, but it's used in a variety of ways ...
probably dig about, I don't really feel like I have a good answer to that ...
 
k I did found stuff like _setTime_error and _getErrorMessage_error etc
 
7:00 AM
oh okay, maybe I have words ...
this wants to be a tested in /Zend, wherever operators are tested, if some test in some extension is raising this exception, remove that part of the test, the code is incorrect, you don't need to create a separate test, just fix it ...
 
Yeah started out in zend
also I think I see what you are saying for other tests
 
obviously (or perhaps not) keep an eye out for edge cases when reviewing extension tests, it's possible
but unlikely
that some function has special behaviour when the conversion failed, for example maybe it relied on the old failure result to do something special ...
 
Got another weird idea, if we get the packages concept (if ever) would it be feasible then to create astd package and put there all string+array functions cleaned up with consistent naming?
 
It'd still be against breaking everybody's code for that.
 
you could do that now, you could make it as available as xdebug, which while surely not loaded for the majority of php installations, is loaded for a very large number, you could have the perfect api and you could provide a free ruddy unicorn with every download, and it wouldn't cost you that many unicorns, if any ... because as a matter of fact, nobody really cares ...
there, I said it ...
 
7:08 AM
so what was in that pot you showed earlier then? ;-)
 
just the pot (ambiguity set to 11 on purpose) ...
note that people can fix this in userland, does any framework go to the bother of providing even a String with "consistent" methods ?
these things aren't really problems ... there's documentation, and persistent memory available to most people ...
 
Looks good so far (before I fix all other tests) @JoeWatkins github.com/php/php-src/compare/… ?
No idea why github thinks the original test is a binary file tbh. I blame them not me
 
name them more precisely
 
_fatals_on_empty_array _fatals_on_filled_array?
 
no I meant in --TEST--
also
 
7:19 AM
ah
 
where's the branch that makes a difference if the array has elements ?
 
@JoeWatkins There is no such thing afaik. I just moved the existing array tests
 
if no branch, nothing to test ...
 
So it is fine to remove useless tests while at it?
 
you want one test covering first change, and one test covering second change ...
well no, do that separately, but don't add useless ones ...
 
7:22 AM
The reason I did both is because they were already there github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/Zend/tests/…
 
oh okay, now I see context ...
what I would do is just change that one test
 
And move the fatal to the end of it?
 
just have one array case, and add an object case, and using try/catch and echo/dump getMessage() and expect that ...
 
alrite
 
don't rely on implementation details of anything, provide the class with no __toString as part of the test ...
if you can then find the test that was testing the object behaviour, you can ditch that as part of the pr, because you've effectively moved it into this first test
(one less process in ci is a big win, it's unrelated but fine)
 
7:32 AM
awesome
 
@JoeWatkins I don't even know what's going on there / haven't followed the conversation but whatevs 😁
If I put my name on a Groupon why not this
 
you know @Sherif, I happen to have a cousin who is a Nigerian prince, and if you just sign this blank document here ...
:D
 
/me is going out for a bit. Muchas gracias so far @JoeWatkins and thanks for your patience :) I will probably pings you more later with stuff when I am unsure about something <3
 
I only do oldschool emojis, on principle ... there was nothing wrong with them ... they are genderless, colourless, perfect emotive symbols ...
@PeeHaa yw lata
if some hip programmer wants to change my old school emojis into new fangled fancy, mass produced, emotionless symbols of everything that is wrong with the world, I won't object, but I'll condemn them internally ...
 
@JoeWatkins sigh. thanks.
 
7:47 AM
@JoeWatkins well the last time I did I got robbed. So it had better be legit this time!
 
@Sherif totes legit
@bwoebi yeah sigh, but seems necessary, again ...
 
Yay. I finally get to be rich off the Internet! 🙃
 
@JoeWatkins I think tough @Derick should've signed as well. It doesn't get the message across if people back off from sending "for peace" … because then the peace won't happen I think.
 
I would have liked that too ... it's his prerogative to change his mind, or not ...
I'd like everyone to sign it, twice ... but probably won't get what I want ...
coming from you alone, even though you mention others agree, at least he had the respect to sort of respond ... but time to raise the volume I think, and others could +1, but I think it sends a stronger message when it's source is a whole group ...
 
@JoeWatkins also: what about the plans to have a CoC?
 
7:57 AM
a future chat with derick, who has prepared a bunch of documents for it already, and dan, is scheduled for some time in the future, soonish ...
 
As long as it's the near future :-P
 
maybe the term CoC is a bit poisonous ... maybe we should refer to it as a "Communications Accord" ... it covers the same thing, but sounds more like an agreement between pirates, and avoids the term CoC ...
 
miscible capable of being mixed; specifically : capable of mixing in any ratio without separation of two phases
 
@JoeWatkins it's obviously your message, but I think "We once again, ask you to back off." doesn't fit well with the rest of the message. Something like "We, once again, ask you to behave respectfully and in line with our existing internals communication processes." (or something less formal). I admire the enthusiasm and energy from Z (even if it's only for a few weeks, then silence for another decade), it's just misdirected.
Also... o/
 
a more immediate concern in my opinion is the use of wiki.php.net to publish documents that seem to be from a larger group then they are. if you see on hackernews this P++ FAQ comes from the wiki.php.net domain it looks more credible than it should be.
if this faq was either a mailing list item, or a personal entry on a personal blog, then it wouldn't have gotten into the biggest german tech news
 
8:01 AM
@salathe Even if it wouldn't be clearly misdirected… Zeev has a divisive nature in his actions. It's counterproductive either way. (Remember his least spike of activity. And the one before.)
 
@beberlei Isn't the same also true of RFCs though?
Though I do wonder why this got posted as a dedicated wiki page, rather than an RFC
 
A RFC would've been needed to be more formalized I guess?
 
@salathe I humbly disagree, at this point, I'm not asking him to behave inline with process, I'm very much asking him to just back off ...
 
@NikiC RFC have in their name that they are for discussion and comments, not final yet without the Vote box which is clearly at the bottom in the template. a dedicated page is like a unicorn, shining brighter
 
@JoeWatkins Fair enough. I just can't sign that. :)
 
8:05 AM
@NikiC really, you wonder about that ?
 
@beberlei link?
 
surely, you don't wonder about it for very long, before you come to the conclusion that he done that on purpose, literally, to shout louder than everyone else ...
 
@NikiC sorry, connected your reply wrong :) wait
 
@beberlei Well, at least they got the poll :)
 
8:07 AM
even though deep in the article they mention that all internals vote against it their title is "Agreement through Separation? PHP Community evaluates P++ dialect" (updated)
 
they've done a pretty good job of reporting the story as it is, even though it's crappy that it's being mentioned at all, you can't actually fault the article ...
obviously I'm reading a translation, and am assuming the technical stuff that doesn't really make much sense translated is correct in german ... but they got the whole thing, it's a proposal, we disagree, we disagree in a large unanimous quantity ... they seem to have it covered ...
 
yeah, but clickbaity title :-)
 
Not like the French articles
Which were presenting this whole idea as something which had large support in internals
 
@salathe also fair ... note, if I had another process I could use, I'd be using it ...
@beberlei translated it reads "Agreement by secession: PHP community considers PHP dialect P ++", it could be more precise if it read "community forced to consider" ... but it's not wrong, we are considering it ...
 
@beberlei haha
 
8:51 AM
What the fuck happened to wiki.php.net/rfc/p-plus-plus
 
@NikiC Zeev "audited" the RFC…
 
Rolled back
I'm assuming Derick did not agree to those changes
That's just vandalism
 
he did not, and called him out on it, and z defended it with some "well it was unorthodox but so was creating that rfc" line of bullshit ...
 
@Derick btw happy to talk about arginfo, but not this week or next
 
 
1 hour later…
10:02 AM
> Hey @everyone, this then also means that PHP will now never be a consistent language and short tags will be forever in
> - petk

Um... no. A vote to reject spending time looking at P++ does *not* mean those things at all. Something about his emails rubs me up the wrong way (it used to be like that for Pierre, for me... maybe a lost in translation thing?).
 
@salathe It's not just you
petk is pretty passive-aggressive
And likes to generalize things ad absurdum
"don't want to remove short tags" => "don't want to break BC, ever"
"don't want to rename this file" => "don't care about code cleanup at all"
 
@NikiC thanks for forwarding the git email btw, much appreciated. :)
 
10:30 AM
Good morning
 
you are up early :D
 
I normally wake up around now. Have a long commute into the office
 
So, it's about 6:30am?
 
Yup
twitter.com/innersonics/status/1161277747894919169?s=19 so people think PHP group is still a think, and that they "own" anything?
 
@beberlei hi :P
 
10:42 AM
@FlorianMargaine hi back ;) got your mail
 
@ircmaxell what is the "PHP Group" actually supposed to be exactly? And why are there names listed I never saw except in credits?
 
small world
 
@ircmaxell why cant people get a blog? i refuse to read these kind of twitter threads :-/
 
Hi everyone btw, long time
 
@salathe Where's your door? Please find it and gracefully exit it. Thanks.
 
@salathe i did not expect that content ;)
 
@bwoebi apparently they are in charge of the strategy of.thr language
 
they were in charge of the strategy, until the RFC process came along. time to clarify the credits maybe?
 
@ircmaxell that sounds like this should be a were
 
10:52 AM
Part of me wants to commit to docs removing the group entirely, with a diff message of "they haven't been formally involved in a decade, they are no longer relevant"
 
@ircmaxell That somewhat inspired me to do twitter.com/PHPeeHaa/status/1161317546324373505
 
@ircmaxell I support that, but I would keep a historical note about it then.
 
@PeeHaa because P++ will finally let us have real multithreaded?
:P
 
@FlorianMargaine and async and generics and api clean up and probably also solves world hunger
 
@bwoebi oh totally. Not rewriting history, but more "is not relevant"
 
10:57 AM
@FlorianMargaine go away with your multithreading. Multiprocessing yes (whether its actually a thread or process doesn't matter).
 
but shmem is hard
 
haha
that doesn't improve anything
 
shmem is hebrew right?
 
Another joke would be: shared-nothing until the very end uh?
@PeeHaa correct, I didn't know you were Israeli
 
PHP Group, what is it? (2014)"I'd say its main goal today is to be a last line of defense in case of a hostile attempt of Perl activists to take over internals@ :) "
 
10:59 AM
@FlorianMargaine sort of - all you need is an event transmitting channel (which is synchronized via stream_select() & Co
 
@FlorianMargaine I can be whatever you want babe
 
@bwoebi aaaah go away with your serialization hell
 
@ircmaxell don't forget phpinfo()/phpcredits() :)
 
/me whispers "parallel"
 
Can I get somewhere in a sidenote in phpinfo? According to @salathe I smell which should at least be mentioned somewhere
 
11:01 AM
I am not going to do it (that would involve contributing, which I am really trying not to do unless a CoC gets in place)
 
@JoeWatkins give me socket transfers…
 
@JoeWatkins I mean, you'd be the one knowing about serialization hell...
 
parallel doesn't use any serialization ...
@bwoebi give me a streams layer that supports it :)
 
@FlorianMargaine define a proper protocol with proper messages
 
Oh sorry, it's a new library name? I haven't followed in the last year or so
 
11:03 AM
name, concept ... it's very shiny ... see manual ...
 
@PeeHaa hehe
 
oh on linux you can send stream resources over a channel, but sockets are not very nice to work with ... you figure it out :D
 
11:04 AM
It's just terribly ugly to work with
 
yeah because the underlying layer doesn't support it ... and there's not really a nice way to implement it without support from streams ...
 
Ah, nice
 
@JoeWatkins well, it's essentially direct fd copying into a different process… you just do a dup() in a threaded context
 
You know about socket ancillary data?
 
@FlorianMargaine well, that's what this is using, yes
 
11:06 AM
@beberlei FWIW the last tweet points to the blogposting that contains the same content
 
> But, as he said himself: he creates solutions and then handles them to “better people”, seeing himself as a “bad programmer” -which we all know he is definitely not-
wat
Well I have seen his php code so at least part of it is correct I guess :P
 
Sounds like a fanboi
 
rasmus also has a way to present himself in certain talks imo
The combination of that and people being clueless results in remarks like that
*fwiw not saying rasmus is doing thing wrong
 
at a certain point, a lack of doing is wrong, imo ...
 
Rasmus in talks always gives credit to others though
 
11:12 AM
@ircmaxell Yes he does. But it's never specifically clear he actually has nothing to do with any of it (including even being involved in rfcs in any capacity)
 
@PeeHaa I see a huge difference between how Rasmus acts and the image he portrays and how Z acts and the image he portrays.
 
oooh please do not get me wrong
I agree 100%
I was more talking about how the community at large thinks how php works and how php actually works
No argument there is a huge difference between the two :-)
 
In fact, he has explicitly said a number of times that he doesn't have any authority over the project, and that he is mostly an observer now
@PeeHaa well, that's another story. Maybe someone should write a blog post for wiki.php.net that clarifies that ;)
 
Though, unlike Zeevs opinion, his opinion, when he says something on list, is usually well acknowledged by others.
 
@ircmaxell That would at least help directing people instead of having to rehash the same thing over and over again every time something controversial (at least from the outside)comes up
Granted my experiences with said community is mostly twitter and reddit so my bar may just be too high :P
 
11:18 AM
@bwoebi because he tends to be inclusive, and he tends to rarely wield it.
 
@bwoebi They mostly are sensible no matter whether you agree or not :)
 
Exactly
 
whatever, his arguments don't even make sense from his perspective, he's spent years arguing about adding types, while dedicating the time of his business to developing a JIT, the thing in the world that stands to gain the most from types ...
I think he's controversial for the sake of it, because he has no other way to stay relevant ...
and I'm utterly exhausted by him ...
 
yeah, he adds so little value nowadays …
 
Hey back off. I am right here
 
11:27 AM
You are PeeHaa. You are lost beyond all of whatever there ever was of hope or repair :-P
 
@PeeHaa adults are talking
:)
 
:P
 
@ircmaxell what if the only way to get the coc you want, is to be involved to the extent that you must in order to promote/discuss/develop that coc ?
 
Um what happened to ext/async?
 
@JoeWatkins I will be happy to help behind the scenes. As I have done for other things
 
@NikiC github.com/martinschroeder < author also disappeared
 
@NikiC Yeah he just disappeared together with the repo :(
@NikiC @kelunik was looking for a recent clone of it
 
Well, that sucks
 
aye
 
@NikiC github support is able to recover deleted repos … not sure whether they will do it for us (i.e. not the author) though
 
11:37 AM
I doubt it
 
Well, let me try
 
Seems he's willing to make some updates (though who knows if the later parts are seen)
 
@Sjon Seems like people at least have a recentish version
 
that's pretty odd
 
11:44 AM
@PeeHaa yup, and they also contacted Martin a few days ago but apparently no reply yet
 
That god for those OSS commy hippies
Thank*
 
@NikiC btw, i looked at the package WIP PR 3 times now a few days ago, yesterday with my comments, and this morning. I gotta say it gets better every time i see this. I am looking forward should you pursue this
 
@NikiC Let me know when you can talk about arginfo then - I'm flexible.
 
12:06 PM
@beberlei didn't you at one point collect voting stats per member?
 
@ircmaxell i did, but i removed that pre gdpr
 
ah, I wanted to pull some statistics about some contributors
specifically 3
 
cmb
12:19 PM
@JoeWatkins, please see github.com/php/web-pecl/pull/82 :)
 
12:44 PM
@cmb ship it, extremely hard ...
oh I just read it ... that makes me feel so special ...
 
@JoeWatkins to be clear: shouldI drop this test github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/intl/tests/… ?
 
that line, yes
 
k
 
 
1 hour later…
1:54 PM
@NikiC, @JoeWatkins: "z just now in DM: Did you seriously change it back? The text of the straw poll?" — I replied: "Looks like Nikita changed it back: (link: wiki.php.net/rfc/p-plus-plus?do=revisions) wiki.php.net/rfc/p-plus-plu… — but now I see what you actually had changed, I would have done so too."
 
yeah changing the content of someone elses poll while people are voting is pretty nasty
 
@Derick Did he seriously change it at all in the first place…
 
Yes, I know that
 
Forget while people are voting. Doing it in general when there isn't clear consensus that you are taking it over
 
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Description of strpos – #78417
 
 
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3:23 PM
@Danack How did your talk go last night?
 
@jjok it was okay. DeskLodge is a nice sized room, but it does get rather warm in their, and all of the audience was wilting by the end.
 
Is that the first time you've done that one?
 
the talk? yes. So it's a bit ropey in structure.
 
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