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12:03 AM
posted on July 13, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
12:38 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier think: Arcanum, NWN, Icewind Dale, Planescape: Tornment, Divinity: Original Sin and Pillars of Eternity
< sleep
 
 
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4:07 AM
posted on July 13, 2018

Wow. You truly followed through on my request for book suggestions. I got comments, personal messages, and strangers yelling at me on the street (for unrelated reasons). I’m set for several months. Thanks! All these books will help me out tremendously this weekend as I finally get around to downsizing my file cabinets. 8 Fridays ago, I mentioned my need to go from three cabinets to one

 
 
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5:17 AM
Night all!
 
Morngins
 
5:31 AM
Morng
 
5:55 AM
@Danack fix mutation tests
 
 
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8:00 AM
amour-propre French. self-esteem; self-respect.
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Favourite anti-Trump protest sign so far: assets-auto.rbl.ms/…
 
Wes
8:38 AM
is this the same people that were pro brexit :B
 
morns
 
@NikiC yeah, despecializing them helps somewhat (4% diff vs 7%), doesn't fully eliminate it, but it helps.
I'm a bit confused about that, I'd then expect to see much more icache misses, but perhaps it doesn't count them when performing speculative execution and prefetching from L2 before actually reaching the instruction, leading to less parallelism, but no actual stalls?
Also, the whole machine code executed during for($i = 0; $i < 10**9; $i++) {} really ought easily fitting in a 16 KB L1i cache ... I'd expect.
 
9:23 AM
How nice of my ISP...they "grandfathered" my plan of 200mbps for $108/month, while they offer a 400mbps plan for $90/month for the same house. =o\
 
@crypticツ wait, isn't that good?
that sounds very un-isp
@bwoebi maybe offsets become larger and switch to longer encoding?
 
no, I'm ending up paying more for less by being "grandfathered" in at the higher $/mbps rate. They expect people to not check their statements each month and compare with their current packages.
Imagine how much $ they make each month from millions of customers who don't know they are being overcharged.
America! Yay?
 
@crypticツ Ah, I get it now
I misunderstood what "grandfathered" means in that context
 
9:39 AM
grandfathered basically means we're going to keep charging you the same high prices even though shit got really cheap for us and all new customers get the new low rate. Thanks for being a loyal customer.
 
@bwoebi It would probably be good to ask Dmitry about what the cause for this could be. He regularly works on VM code size improvements, so he probably knows best why they're important.
 
 
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11:24 AM
@bwoebi Thanks for writing him
 
@NikiC dunno, I haven't altered any hot handlers, and there is nothing exceeding a relative offset of 0x7f in the executed paths of POST_INC
@NikiC He's probably the only one who can answer these questions, so yeah :-)
 
@bwoebi btw, did you see the review comments dmitry left?
@bwoebi I just tested this myself, I'm seeing only a 2% regression
without changing specialization
 
11:44 AM
@NikiC yeah, I noticed heavy differences on performance depending on the processor whether a VM is used etc.
got the worst results on a bare metal machine with a haswell processor
using vms I also only got like 2-3% regression
 
@bwoebi ah yeah, I'm in vm
 
I'm here actually pinning a process to a specific CPU and timing its runtime
 
 
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2:12 PM
!!rfcs
 
It, uh, doesn't work right now because the message is too long for SO
 
@LeviMorrison Yeah I tried again because one RFC finished vote ^^
But that wasn't enough
 
It's partly because the array_key_* RFC name is ridiculously long.
 
 
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Wes
4:15 PM
programmers: do you prefer working on multiple projects at the same time, or one at once? I noticed that when I work on a single one I end up overthinking and overengineering it. What about you? #programming #dev
 
@Wes The implication that I have ever finished a project is amusing
 
Wes
lol
same
thanks for reminding me though :B so depressing
 
4:30 PM
@Wes eh, I think it takes a degree of hubris to call something "finished", and I know for a fact you have made stuff that is "functional"
 
Wes
if i get paid for it then it's functional enough :B but i don't think i ever finished something how i actually wanted to finish it :B
 
user1804599
@DaveRandom Programming is like sex: participating is more important than winning.
 
So many jokes, all of them wildly inappropriate
My PR which adds lines to an m4, touches no code or tests, adds 0.3% coverage on coveralls. That is how good I am.
 
user1804599
You aren't good. You're using MongoDB.
 
user1804599
GNU M4 is rad af though (lmao autotools).
 
4:43 PM
I'm not using mongodb, ftr, I just had to build it
 
@rightfold M4 and Makefiles. The two horrors.
 
also openssl version numbering is insane
 
user1804599
Speaking of terrible build systems, I want to try using Bazel for testing and type-checking PHP and for downloading Packagist packages.
 
I swear 90% of the real value proposition of Rust over C++ is the working build system and package manager, so you don't have to deal with the clusterfuck that are C++ builds.
 
also there's a weird sort of irony in this being done by Stas when he's always harping on about BC
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Wes
4:46 PM
wasn't it simpler to make a a package manager for c++? :B
 
@Wes lol
 
Wes
not possible? :B i am actually asking
 
user1804599
Even if you could, this would still be a waste of time.
 
user1804599
C++ requires a lot of tooling, yet writing C++ tooling is extremely difficult.
 
Technically nuget is a package manager for C++, just with very limited scope :-P
 
user1804599
4:52 PM
First of all, you can't write any C++ code at all without going full -Wall -Wextra -Wpedantic -fsanitize=memory -fsanitize=undefined -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG, valgrind, and scan-build. The same goes for C.
 
user1804599
Then, C++ has a grammar so context-sensitive that you need to implement the complete Turing-complete type checker in order to parse C++ code. It also requires writing a C++ expression evaluator.
 
user1804599
Because of the availability of various time-dependent macros, C++ builds are not reproducible. As well as headers being system-wide and system-dependent, it is very difficult to set up an environment that is both isolated and portable.
 
user1804599
No matter what you do, C++ development will remain a headache. It is much better spending this time in languages such as ATS and Rust, which are simpler, memory-safe, have better tools for optimizing performance, have context-free grammars, and overall a much more pleasant ecosystem.
 
6:16 PM
Part of C++'s issues are due to having multiple compiler vendors and ecosystems. This can also be a blessing, but writing truly compatible, portable C++ is hard.
C is in a similar boat, but since it is a simpler language its ecosystem is not so bad, but sometimes a bit old.
 
7:14 PM
evnin
 
8:01 PM
@Wes turning up at a place where people are risking their lives and demanding to have your ideas heard, is possible the highest level of sealioning I've heard of.
 
Wes
@Danack i don't understand how failing at rescuing the kids would be good PR
i think people just enjoy creating conflict
 
> The Tesla founder insisted his submarine would have been able to navigate the narrow tunnels, and said the former Thai provincial governor who rejected his technology was “not the subject matter expert”.
right.
 
Wes
8:45 PM
well maybe that was true
i don't buy the pr thing... as if they failed it would be really bad pr... dead kids... and in fact they got bad pr from that guy regardless... maybe presumptuous and naive... that's possible
 
 
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10:34 PM
@Wes Elon Musk is chaotic good
his intentions are good, but he's not pure
 
11:11 PM
so .... Hollow Knight is actually quite good
 
11:25 PM
what was the roguelike game that was linked during the summer sale?
was in early access I think
it touted to be a roguelite with more roguelike
 
11:40 PM
no, it's more like Ori
 
11:56 PM
no I mean the name of it, I know it's not Hollow Knight
it was one I think you and @Allenph were talking about
 

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