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12:07 AM
... and that cpu is firmly fused to the heatsink
 
my english is a bit rusty, what does "fused to the heatsink" mean?
 
@hakre the thermal paste somehow glued the cpu to the fan
as in, when removing the fan, the cpu came out with it
 
run it a bit. heat helps loosen that up.
 
putting it back in with the fan attached is an endeavour too risky for me. I'll first try with dental floss...
the fan is huge, and blocks sight, and I fear to damage cpu fins
but yeah, that is indeed a good trick, as much as I can find
 
Wes
12:22 AM
how did you managed to remove cpu and heatsink at the same time?
it's usually not possible
 
> When removing processors, you may occasionally find that it has become fused or stuck to the heat sink (that is, the processor pulls out of the socket while the socket's lever is locked).
 
Wes
so it's still attached to the mobo?
 
I am thankful to all gods that it did not simply break the cpu
sry. I mean, no, it went out of the socket, when pulling out the fan
 
Wes
so despite the locked socket you managed to remove it
well, good thing you didn't break anything
 
well, as seem evident from google searches, and subsequent Paul's advice, that must not be so rare, yes?
as though it's possible it's all on me, I remember wondering if I was putting the fan too tight over the cpu
 
Wes
12:27 AM
do you have kitchen with live flames ?
 
I will not flame my cpu
 
Wes
i'd just get the heatsink a bit warm
 
> I'll first try with dental floss
 
Wes
be sure it doesn't snap
 
yeah...
I'm a bit tense. maybe I'll smoke a bit, that'll help, surely
 
Wes
12:28 AM
do you have a die cover on your cpu or you have the exposed silicon
 
I don't think I understand what you mean by "die cover"
nor "exposed silicon", actually
 
Wes
exposed die
covered die
 
Wes
ok then you don't need to pay attention much
 
Wes
12:31 AM
among enthusiasts, the cpus without cover are called cabrio
true story
 
cabrio? is that a specific word in some language?
 
Wes
cabriolet
convertible
spyder... how you call it?
 
reminds of spanish cabron
oh right
cars, with roof that can be opened
 
Wes
it's a french word :B
A cabriolet is a light horse-drawn vehicle, with two wheels and a single horse. The carriage has a folding hood that can cover its two occupants, one of whom is the driver. It has a large rigid apron, upward-curving shafts, and usually a rear platform between the C springs for a groom. The design was developed in France in the eighteenth century and quickly replaced the heavier hackney carriage as the vehicle for hire of choice in Paris and London. The cab of taxi-cab or "hansom cab" is a shortening of cabriolet. Other horse-drawn cabs include: Araba or aroba: used in Turkey and neighboring countries...
 
cabriolet?
I have literally never heard that word ;) ^
 
Wes
12:33 AM
spyder?
 
isn't it a VW model?
 
Wes
cabriolet is like a coupe without the top
 
nothing VW specific AFAIK
 
Wes
it's a kind of car, like sedan, estate, etc
 
cabrio ftw.
summer is coming.
@Wes: there have been left some comments w/ u're PR
 
Wes
12:37 AM
never had a cabriolet, but could get a hard top one soon
 
hard top is for the winters
 
Wes
convertible, with hard top
 
and canada
 
secondary car for the summer is just great
 
hard top convertibles are for people who enjoy stupidly expensive repairs
 
Wes
12:38 AM
@hakre ?
 
you mean in case of the mechanics?
 
Wes
@PaulCrovella mx5 is cheap to maintain
 
there are hard tops you just drop in from the tops.
no further expensive mechanics.
not saying the car is inexpensive, but the hard top can be easy to maintain.
 
the only ones I have experience with are the push-button things that fold themselves up into the trunk.. when something goes wrong with those it's a nightmare
 
Wes
yeah, and they are also very stupid as they take all the space in the trunk
 
12:45 AM
@PaulCrovella take those you need to put a hand on.
no electrical mechanics. these are normally a safe bet.
 
Wes
they don't exist anymore imo
 
they do.
 
Wes
it's all electric, even on sportcars
 
go vintage
 
12:46 AM
much more style, especially for summer cars.
 
Wes
maybe the porsche boxter has the one that you can actually remove with screws
must be unique
 
boxter is shit
 
so yeah... so far dental floss is not really working
 
Wes
compared to what
it's not shit absolutely, it is shit for that price
 
yeah, not full shit. would just for example say, prefer mx5 over boxter.
even bmw m1
 
Wes
12:48 AM
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier separating fan from cpu?
 
FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK
 
Wes
@FélixGagnon-Grenier heater + rug on top + heatsink on top the rug
or anything that melts the paste a bit
not microwave. not hot water :B
 
... so it did come out, twisting it slightly
but three of the pins are slightly bended
fuck everything
I am currently the avatar of hate
 
so bend them back
 
Wes
12:51 AM
as long you can put them straight, they'll do fine
 
Wes
if they break, then you are screwed
 
calms down slowly
 
Wes
12:51 AM
just don't break them
 
no knick knack
 
I think I'll do that this weekend. I need to buy some proper cleaning solution anyway
 
Wes
cleaning solution?
 
never had that problem (me must admit)
 
isopropyl alcohol?
 
Wes
12:53 AM
don't you have pink alcohol
 
it's what is advised to be used by the thermal paste manual
 
Wes
 
Wes
you don't have it? :B
 
I have white vinegar ;)
 
Wes
12:54 AM
so french
 
lol
 
Wes
well that's not for drinking
... in case you were wondering :B
 
I also have cider, balsamic, red wine, white wine and rice vinegar
 
Wes
there is a small hole on the die cover @FélixGagnon-Grenier
 
be sure to get the 91% stuff.. 70% is better for wounds, but not for parts
 
Wes
12:56 AM
see that hole near i7
as long you don't get anything in there, you can also use water
 
@PaulCrovella I promise
 
Wes
it's for condensation
and you should not cover it with thermal paste
 
The Volkswagen Karmann Ghia is a 2+2 developed for and sold by German automaker Volkswagen between 1955 and 1974. Designed by the Italian carrozzeria Ghia and hand-built by the German coachbuilder Karmann, it was available as both a coupe (1955–1974) and convertible (1957–1974). Internally designated the Typ 14, the Karmann Ghia utilized the chassis and mechanicals of the Type 1 (Beetle). From 1962-1969, Volkswagen marketed the Typ 34, with angular bodywork and based on the Type 3 platform and mechanicals. More than 445,000 Karmann Ghias were produced in Germany over the car's production life,...
another nice cabriolet, not as crazy expensive as the porsche.
 
those are for when you want to work on a car, not drive one
 
ryzen cpu do not seem to have that hole.... but I'll follow the instructions
 
Wes
12:58 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier it's probably on the side
between the pcb and the metal cover bit, there is a hole
 
@PaulCrovella seems to me easier to repair then that cpu and that cooler right now.
 
Wes
two holes
see where there is no glue?
so you can use water, but not too much
you can also use a rug... it's a piece of metal, not the actual cpu
just be careful
 
@hakre I'm just being extra drama style
 
drama drama drama :)
 
:)
on the tune of gangnam style extra drama style
 
1:01 AM
n1
 
Wes
Theon grows up a new penis and he lives happily ever after.

                                                      𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑬𝒏𝒅
so book 2 now
 
Wes
aha
 
when it is the second book, was it that noteworthy it is the third one?
 
come again?
 
my youtube recommendations are fucked for good now. thanks.
 
is that japanese justin bieber?
inb4 "you are so racist Félix, these are chinese"
 
1:27 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier whenever he could be japanoise, it's more a boygroup I think it's called youtube.com/… (<- more authentic)
 
boygroup effectively sounds about right :)
 
madonna has some nice guys, too: youtube.com/watch?v=lDSsauHmu6g
 
Wes
2:07 AM
 
 
2 hours later…
3:42 AM
moin
 
3:59 AM
\o
 
Wes
4:15 AM
\o
 
4:40 AM
\o
 
5:28 AM
Jay Hanlon on April 26, 2018

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Now, that’s not because most Stack Overflow contributors are hostile jerks. The majority of them are generous and kind. Sure, a few are…  just generous, I guess? But our active users regularly express thei …

my initial reaction was: get lost :D
 
let me know when they actually change something
 
5:43 AM
Hi I downloaded PHPmailer
but the file is only 113kb
but when i checked the content, there are files that are missing
any suggestion to use mail library for php???
 
hello everyone
i want to redirect specific url to http instead of https in magento ,
have you any idea about it?
 
@Sarfaraj why would you want to do that?
 
@Gordon because of i have one cms page and in that i have called iframe and this page display blank while it run with https whenever i will remove/disable SSL it working fine with http url
so i want to run selected page as http url instead of https.
 
cant you fix the iframe instead?
 
so intead of iframe i have to used other things ?
 
5:55 AM
I dont know.
 
ok thanks
 
6:26 AM
@Sarfaraj You need to use HTTPS in the frame, too.
Otherwise yes, you indeed need to redirect to HTTP.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:28 AM
 
morning
 
morning
 
Happy Friday!
 
7:54 AM
mornin
In PHP 7.2 classes can have public private and protected consts and this is missing through reflection, right?
 
Good day!
Quick q to frameworks users. What is the current approach for placing tests? Is it to place tests separately like in most Java structured applications or like in front-end Bundle and Bundle/Tests?
 
treen made entirely of wood.
 
@Eugene You said Bundle, that's a Symfony-specific word not a general term no? ;)
If you plan on making your bundle re-usable, then put them within the bundle. Otherwise, we just put them all in test/ in the root directory, but then we don't use the Bundle thing - Symfony allows you to choose your own architecture and I don't want no bundle
 
@Jimbo you can use package, component or whatever else you would like. Point stays the same.
 
Sure it does. Let's all use the best terminology and stay on the same page with the point, though
 
8:04 AM
Lets name it directory
since it is all what it is
Directory looks very framework agnostic
 
Which is something we should all aspire to, that's fine with me
 
But I did get your point. Thank you.
 
morns
!!dad
 
My wife is on a tropical food diet, the house is full of the stuff It's enough to make a mango crazy
 
Anonymous
@Jeeves it's spelt tree
 
Anonymous
8:11 AM
o/
 
\o
 
mornin
 
assert – #76275
 
Anonymous
8:36 AM
Does Phil Sturgeon ever come in here?
 
I hope not
 
Anonymous
ah, is he a baddy?
 
No, haha, just a bitch
 
Anonymous
or is it just because he's better looking thank you?
 
Anonymous
ah bitch
 
Anonymous
8:37 AM
trying to find this fractal.thephpleague.com but with auto documentation c:
 
Anonymous
so he does
 
@JayIsTooCommon If you wanna ask him something, then just send him an invite to this room or something.
 
Or send him a message on twitter, he normally responds
No need for room invite
Although half the time I have no idea what he's ranting about
 
Anonymous
@mega6382 kind awkward if he scrolls up C:
 
8:48 AM
Yeah, probably :P
 
re
 
Anonymous
9:09 AM
@PeeHaa wat that?
 
@JayIsTooCommon Nah his sense of humour is also at good levels
Although he's been living in the US for a while now and I reckon that's dissipating
 
I hate the word "dissipating", it looks like it's spelled wrong
moin
 
Anyone watched the new avengers movie yet?
 
if that's not a movie of "The New Avengers" then I'm not interested
 
Anonymous
yeah, last night
 
Anonymous
9:18 AM
I hate modern Marvel
 
Anonymous
and it was actually good
 
Anonymous
so /shrug
 
Cool, I am going tomorrow night to see it. There is a lot of hype, wanna see whats it all about. :P
 
Anonymous
Here, let me tell you the plot
 
fu
 
Anonymous
9:19 AM
:)
 
no spoilers, please :)
 
@JayIsTooCommon initially there are some personal dramas, then some stuff gets destroyed and the characters have to overcome their personal issues to win in the end.
just like every other film of that genre
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom Iron man turns to steel. The Hulk is accused of toxic masculinity so tones it down a bit. Batman learns to shit upside down and Hagrid finally mates with a spider.
 
Anonymous
general gist
 
@JayIsTooCommon Now, thats a movie worth watching
 
9:22 AM
no, that's the synopsis of a hollyoaks episode
 
Anonymous
:D
 
Anyway "lashing out" or "tearing into", which should you use when talking about your boss talking with you angrily?
 
Anonymous
lashing out indicates a sudden loss of temper. Tearing into sounds about right. Depends on context
 
k, great
ty
 
tearing into is like gordon ramsey talking to peasant chefs
lashing out is more like someone just snapping
 
9:27 AM
@DaveRandom I've been reading up about DNS because I found it interesting and I know you know a lot about it :) It's true DNS only uses TCP for zone transfers or if the request goes over 512b which DNSSEC typically is?
 
@JayIsTooCommon actually tbf the real synopsis of every Hollyoaks episode is "more twats whining"
 
Anonymous
I've never seen an episode, I don't know how anyone can put their brain cell(s) through that
 
@Leigh Yeah, this is what it seemed like
 
@Jimbo it's complicated :-P
most DNS operations will use UDP, but there's a solid argument for moving all internet-traversing DNS operations to TCP
 
Because of security?
But zone transfers must succeed so we need TCP for those?
 
9:32 AM
more because of general reliability and the removal of the 512b limit
I have seen spf policies that exceed 512b
when DNS was specified, TCP was meaningfully more expensive than UDP, that isn't true any more
especially when using TCP fast open
dunno how widely supported that is though
 
I know there's that nagles algorithm for shoving through more bytes together in one DNS request, something like 40/41 bytes
But the real argument for UDP -> TCP now?
 
Is there a chat room for discussing cloud stuff(aws specifically)?
 
@mega6382 "lashing out" = multiple targets. "tearing into" = single target.
 
Anonymous
@Danack Meh, 'he/she lashed out at me' is used often though
 
Does anyone know if you can run more than one PHPUnit testsuite in a single command?
 
9:40 AM
@Danack nah, you can lash out at a single target
if you're mumbling next to me and I throw my headphones down and shout at you... i lashed out
 
Anonymous
@Leigh SHUT UP
2
 
That's "shut up dad" to you
 
Anonymous
you wish
 
o/
 
Anonymous
\o
 
9:53 AM
@Jimbo nagle is more or less irrelevant to DNS tbh
nagle applies to streams of data being transmitted over TCP, whereas DNS is message based
sure, there might be the occasional scenario where you can bundle two messages into the same packet, but that's going to save you maybe a couple of ethernet frames
in fact I would argue that DNS-over-TCP should generally use TCP_NONAGLE, because you generally want that data on wire asap
 
> TCP_NONAGLE socket flag has been introduced to service this need way
back when: given a short timeout, tiny buffer fills are flushed into a
TX packet anyway. The receiver will be able to fetch any byte length
data it actually receives, so when we entice the sender into
transmitting even the small chunks, we're good to go there.
interesting
 
In a sentence, it's because DNS messages are atomic. You are never going to be in a scenario where you write a partial message to the wire
 
10:09 AM
I want to be able to smash someone's face over tcp/ip
 
I'm going to write a DNS datagram and send it on according to the RFC to see how it works
 
@Ekin use UDP, then they won't be expecting it
 
Anonymous
nerd
 
jock
 
there's a british cartoonist with that pen name
 
Anonymous
10:13 AM
@DaveRandom give me your lunch money.
 
I bring my own sandwiches.
 
I work from home
checkmate, atheist
 
10:29 AM
Anyone here using a cloud auth provider? (firebase auth, aws cognito, etc.)
 
@Leigh I thankfully do not. Why?
 
I have to review a bunch of providers to see if we would benefit from moving to one of them. If someone else has already done the work, would be nice to bounce a few quick questions off them :)
 
@Leigh I am using aws cognito, but I don't know a single thing about it. :P
 
@Leigh best wishes
 
@mega6382 Using it from both PHP and native apps?
I had a quick play with PHP and found it quite hard to set up
They offer app templates with identity providers all ready to go, so I assume it's easier on the iOS/Android side
 
10:35 AM
@Leigh No more like from lambda, with which both PHP and native apps interact.
 
Ah I tried to hit it directly via AWS API, not via lambdas
Also I'm totally turned off lambas, so slow, even when warmed up
workloads that aren't time sensitive, great, but anything interacting with web front-end, nope nope nope
 
huh, yeah maybe, but I have had a good experience with these.
 
200ms is unacceptable to me
using one just for auth, yea I could take the hit there, but wouldn't use them for everything
 
@DaveRandom What's up with lxr? can't connect on https … and ssh gives me an immediate rst
 
@Leigh Thats just might be due to the cold starts.
 
10:41 AM
ffs
 
@DaveRandom What did you fuck up?
 
If you are sending subsequent requests, like from frontend, I am sure the response time would be much better.
 
@mega6382 It's likely due to the memory, order a low mem lambda instance, you get slow processing to match it
You have to use like 2gb instances for basic functions to get a sane speed
 
Yeah, could be.
 
@bwoebi I can only assume there is something in the git history of one of the repos which is revealing some sort of bug in opengrok, because I didn't change anything and this suddenly started happening. The other day I nuked the indexes and made a change which if anything should have helped (told it to ignore tests and makefiles and stuff like that)
other than that, nothing significant has changed
 
10:44 AM
@Leigh Also, it might depend on which language you use in the lambda.
 
it was working fine for a day or two after I rebuilt the indexes
 
@mega6382 go/python
I stay away from that nasty java/js
 
(uh, I always forget ssh being on a different port @DaveRandom)
 
Most of my lambdas are js. Only handful are Python.
 
oh good, the RST thing was a little concerning :-P
I am force-rebooting it
 
10:46 AM
@DaveRandom Try running sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
That will surely solve the problem. :P
 
:P
 
Guys do you know utopian.io or steem.io ?
Is it the place where people are paying for reading articles about shitcode?
 
@brzuchal Yeah, it does seem like it, also people are plugging their products in the comments.
 

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